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02:39 < DrArkaneX> https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/12/8/257
02:39 < PigBot> LKML: David Miller: Re: [PATCH net-next v2] net: WireGuard secure network tunnel (at lkml.org) http://tinyurl.com/vewum3z
02:39 < DrArkaneX> looks like wireguard is gonna be in 5.6 kernel
02:58 < aestetix> oh nice
02:59 < aestetix> does that mean you don't need the module anymore?
04:09 < DrArkaneX> aestetix: soon.. soon...
04:11 < DrArkaneX> it could be as soon as q2 2020, but i'm still looking
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04:21 < aestetix> DrArkaneX: so we won't need openvpn anymore
04:34 < DrArkaneX> looks that way
04:36 < DrArkaneX> crypto is gonna evolve, i'm sure there will still be openvpn diehards like init.d <> systemd
05:01 < aestetix> the yahoo mail thing is pissing me off a lot
05:01 < aestetix> er, yahoo group
05:01 < aestetix> https://modsandmembersblog.wordpress.com/2019/12/08/verizon-yahoo-bad-form/
05:01 < PigBot> VERIZON / YAHOO! BAD FORM! | YAHOO GROUPS CRUSADE HEADQUARTERS! (at modsandmembersblog.wordpress.com) http://tinyurl.com/tjll5vo
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07:05 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:06  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:40 <@Dolemite> Well, my big migration this weekend went pretty smoothly.  105 wordpress sites moved from a Docker Enterprise kubernetes cluster to a new Rancher kubernetes cluster.
07:40 <@Dolemite> Yay for DevOps scripting
07:40 < aestetix> ok Dolemite maybe you can explain this to me
07:40 < aestetix> why should someone use kubernetes
07:41 < aestetix> as opposed to just managing vms with ansible
07:42 <@Dolemite> Ok, that has nothing to do with k8s, that's a Containers vs VMs question
07:42 <@Dolemite> k8s is simply the orchestrator for deployment of your containers
07:42 < aestetix> ah ok
07:43 <@Dolemite> The advantage to using containers is that you can tightly couple the operating environment with an application - as opposed to the operating system
07:43 <@Dolemite> Especially as a software development company
07:44 < aestetix> ok. what's a scenario where using containers brings a lot of benefit?
07:44 <@Dolemite> Let's say you have a website
07:44 <@Dolemite> You want that website to be very resilient
07:45 <@Dolemite> Spin up multiple containers across multiple nodes to serve that content, with a load balancer to distribute the load somewhat evenly
07:45 <@Dolemite> You'd setup a container with shared data mounted from a resilient storage service
07:45 < aestetix> as opposed to spinning up a few vms based on a snapshot?
07:47 <@Dolemite> So how quickly can you spin up a new VM from scratch and have it automatically added into the LoadBalancer pool?
07:47 < aestetix> ah ok. so you count on the nodes to be existing already, and the containers would do their magic on them?
07:47 <@Dolemite> By the time you can have that done, your peak demand may have subsided - either your customers got tired of timeouts and went elsewhere, or it was simply a cyclical demand
07:48 <@Dolemite> Now we're getting into k8s
07:48 <@Dolemite> Yes, you have nodes in your cluster already setup - but they can run lots of different types of workloads
07:48 <@Dolemite> k8s will also let you setup rules to autoscale.    Load gets over 50% on your containers for deployment X, spin up another container - up to a defined maximum number.
07:49 <@Dolemite> Load drops below Y for a period of time, drop a container, down to a minimum availability set
07:49 < aestetix> ok, so it sounds like you have a number of nodes already existing, and they change their roles based on the demand of the system
07:49 <@Dolemite> Some dumbass shuts down node Z of the cluster - migrate your loads elsewhere, and if you already had a minimum of 2 available, no downtime
07:50 <@Dolemite> The nodes don't change their roles
07:50 <@Dolemite> They are always hosts
07:50 < aestetix> but the containers do, yes?
07:51 < aestetix> if the selling point of containers is that you can spawn them faster than a snapshot vm, then it would follow that autoscaling assumes nodes already present for you to use containers on
07:53 <@Dolemite> Yes, containers are purpose built
07:53 <@Dolemite> So you may have some redis containers, some LAMP containers, even some .Net Core containers - all running on the same node
07:53 <@Dolemite> Yes, most containers are < 200MB in size so they are faster to spin up
07:54 <@Dolemite> A well build container is < 100 MB in size
07:54 <@Dolemite> So as part of that, my images are on a local registry - that way there's no across-the-internet latency
07:55 <@Dolemite> I also have a DMZ that doesn't allow outbound to the internet except for established connections that came inbound through a proxy, so local registry is the way to go
07:55 <@Dolemite> Allows me to build images that I know others can't get to
07:59 <@Dolemite> Now Azure/Amazon/Google have even fancier setups that will allow the nodes themselves to autoscale in the cluster
08:03 < aestetix> on a lighter note
08:03 < aestetix> https://www.theguardian.com/global/2019/dec/09/no-flush-movement-composting-toilet-clean-water-waste-fertiliser-eco-revolution
08:03 < PigBot> The no-flush movement: the unexpected rise of the composting toilet | Global | The Guardian (at www.theguardian.com) http://tinyurl.com/wq54j2u
08:03 < aestetix> It's not enough for the hippies to be vegan, now they are creating the outhouse movement
08:05 < aestetix> Maybe next they will be prescribing gong therapy to cancer patients
08:06 <@Dolemite> I have used enough of these at scout camp to state that it doesn't take a lot of use for the stench to become detectable for many meters away from the BOLO.
08:07 < aestetix> Dolemite: yeah but if you already don't bathe, then I guess it's not so bad
08:07 <@Dolemite> LOL
08:27 <@Corydon76> It's worse than outhouses.  Many of the composting toilets are designed to be installed indoors.
08:27 <@Corydon76> aestetix: No, it's worse if people don't bathe.  Then you have to smell the stench all the time, instead of only when you're relieving yourself.
08:28 < aestetix> why the hell would you want a composting toilet indoors
08:28 < aestetix> the whole reason outhouses are outside is because they smell horrible
08:29 <@Corydon76> aestetix: because an outhouse is cold.
08:29 <@Corydon76> They deal with the odor by "sprinkling" sawdust after using the toilet.
08:30 < aestetix> Right. And then they get used to the smell. Until they have guests come over some day, and then it becomes a problem again
08:30 <@Corydon76> I'm sure an exhaust fan helps, as well.
08:30 < aestetix> So does having a normal flush toilet
08:31 <@Corydon76> Keep in mind that I'm not defending the use of compostable toilets.  Given the option, I go for the flush toilet.
08:31 < aestetix> Then again, raw water was so successful in the bay area that it sold out even priced at like $50 a gallon
08:31 < aestetix> So I bet this is the same demographic
08:32 <@Corydon76> All I'm doing is pointing out that many of the issues with odor have, in fact, been addressed.
08:32 < aestetix> heh
08:32 < aestetix> That said, you could probably get into the sawdust business, triple the price for these idiots, and make a killing
08:33 < aestetix> Just package it as organic sawdust or something
08:33 <@Corydon76> Heh
08:34 <@Corydon76> Keep in mind that sawdust used to be a waste product, and now there's heavy competition for it.  Think about shaped charcoal briquettes
08:34 <@Corydon76> Those are made from sawdust.
08:34 <@Corydon76> Same thing for particleboard furniture.
08:34 <@Corydon76> Same for MDF
08:36 <@Corydon76> The sawdust for compostable toilets is probably kiln-dried, though.  It probably is designed to be super-absorbent, because moisture is the primary reason why bowel movements are odoriferous.
08:37 <@Corydon76> Once the surface has dried, the odor disappears, unless, for some reason, it is bisected and exposes more moist surface.
08:39 <@Corydon76> If you're wondering how I might know, I've had dogs, and had to clean up after them.  The worst thing you can do when cleaning up poop is not to remove the pieces whole.
08:41 < aestetix> Can you train a dog to use a flush toilet?
08:44 <@Dagmar> Hmm... Cyanide & Happiness has a video game
08:45 <@Evilpig> yeah
08:46 <@Evilpig> I played around in the beta a bit
09:23 <@Dagmar> The indoor-compostable movement will shut down with a quickness the moment most of those people realize they still have to take their own poop away
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09:48 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: that's what task rabbits are for
10:13 <@Dagmar> Speaking of people taking shit
10:14 <@Dagmar> This car warranty guy has been rambling on for almost ten minutes
10:15 <@Dagmar> Ten minutes, fifty six seconds
10:15 <@Dagmar> But I got a detailed quote on some car I saw on Craiglist
10:19 <@Dagmar> Interesting
10:19 <@Dagmar> If you call 615-610-0708 you don't just get a fast busy or something. You get dead silence which disconnects after 30 seconds
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14:13 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: sounds like a digitally signaled line that failed to send Ringback.  Doable, though I wonder why.
14:13 <@Corydon76> Either that or it's a VoIP line and the remote end is unreachable.
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16:16 <@Dagmar> Or it's a VOIP line and the other end isn't bothering to answer becuase they're fuckin' criminals
16:39 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: that would generate ringback, though.
16:42 <@Corydon76> Especially when you're dealing with SIP, signalling Progress will generate Ringback.  It says to me that the other end is simply unreachable.
17:53 <@Evilpig> plex just lost its damned mind.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/onrikz03fljlotf/Screenshot%202019-12-09%2017.49.06.png?dl=0
17:53 < PigBot> Dropbox - Screenshot 2019-12-09 17.49.06.png - Simplify your life (at www.dropbox.com) http://tinyurl.com/t9znatw
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