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07:24 <@dc0de> g'mernin all
07:37 < xray> mornin
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07:50 < dasunt> G'morning.
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08:42 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
08:50  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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09:34 < dasunt> I never get a hug.  Don't know if I should complain or not.
09:35 <@Mirage> maybe shower?
09:54 < dasunt> Water i spoison.
10:08 <@Dolemite> until you heat it and pour it over ground coffee beans
10:29 < dasunt> Huh, never thought about this, but Brexit, in a way, makes Scottish independence more likely, yet worse.
10:30 < dasunt> More likely is obvious, of course.
10:30 < dasunt> But if the UK leaves, then Scotland's rail shipping route to the rest of the EU goes through a non-EU country.
10:34 <@Corydon76> Rail shipping, yes.  But they're likely to switch to water shipping, then.
10:35 <@Corydon76> And that might be faster and cheaper.
10:38 <@Corydon76> Shipping by boat has always been the cheapest method.  Rail is next, followed by truck, and air is the most expensive.
10:39 <@Corydon76> It might be faster, because without all the excess stops on the way to Dover and the Chunnel, it can go direct, probably to the Netherlands or Belgium.
10:39 <@Corydon76> From there, the goods can be transferred to rail and onto their final destination
10:52 < dasunt> Maybe.  But it'll be transshipped twice.
10:52 < dasunt> Continental Europe Train -> Ship -> Scottish Train.
10:52 < dasunt> Plus, infrastructure costs.
10:53 < dasunt> Gotta upgrade the ports to handle that.
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11:08 <@Corydon76> dasunt: http://marine.gov.scot/information/scottish-ports-and-harbours
11:08 < PigBot> Scottish Ports and Harbours | Marine Scotland Information (at marine.gov.scot) http://tinyurl.com/ult64n5
11:09 <@Corydon76> Over 1M tons per year through Scottish ports.  I'd say the infrastructure already exists.
11:28 < dasunt> How many tons come by rail?
11:29 < dasunt> https://www.transport.gov.scot/publication/transporting-scotland-s-trade/4-transporting-scotland-s-freight/
11:29 < PigBot> 4. Transporting Scotland’s Freight (at www.transport.gov.scot) http://tinyurl.com/qvk9ofp
11:29 < dasunt> The vast majority of Scotland’s freight is carried on land either through its extensive road network which consists of over 56,000 km of road, or its railways with a total route length of 2,819 km – 709 km of which is electrified. Of the Scottish road network, 20% are major roads (including trunk and non-trunk ‘A’ roads), with only 1% of trunk road network being comprised of motorways.
11:32 < dasunt> If I'm ballparking this correctly, it's about 10 - 20M tonnes of freight by road that isn't destined to the UK.
11:32 < dasunt> So their ports are going to have to be upgraded by an order of magnitude to handle shipping, or else some sort of deal will have to be worked out with the rump UK.
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12:39 < K`Tetch> the ports can handleit, they just don't
12:39 < K`Tetch> places like liverpool and hull are freeports
12:40 < K`Tetch> and the uk train system is kinda fucked rght now
12:40 < K`Tetch> 10 years of bollocks over HS2
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19:50 <@Dagmar> Hmm... tempting https://www.wayfair.com/furniture/pdp/williston-forge-enprise-l-shape-desk-w001460872.html
19:50 < PigBot> Williston Forge Enprise L-Shape Desk & Reviews | Wayfair (at www.wayfair.com) http://tinyurl.com/wxj78z2
19:50 <@Dagmar> Yes, that's crap, but...
19:50 <@Dagmar> The thing I'm using now has glass tops
19:51 <@Dagmar> Ya can't use monitor mounts with those unless you like shards of broken desk everywhere
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21:46 <@Dagmar> So... here's a fun thing
21:47 <@Dagmar> $idjit_uncle has filed a challenge of Audra's Power of Attorney, and is alleging she stole or misappropriated $70,000
21:48 <@Dagmar> He let slip during a phone call that he knew about a check that had been written (to the groundskeeper who was cutting her grandmother's grass... completely legitimately) that was only about a week old
21:48 <@Dagmar> We also had a weird records request fulfilled in September from one the companies her grandma has a credit card with
21:49 <@Dagmar> They sent us the last six months of her statements, out of the blue
21:49 <@Dagmar> Now, $idjit_uncle has exactly zero legal grounds for access to that inforamtion
21:49 <@Dagmar> ...but I'll bet he was sharp enough to realize he could _get it_ if he just went online and set up online access to her bank account
21:50 <@Dagmar> ...and probably request a copy of the credit card statements be sent to the house she moved out of (which was vacant) knowing he could just go and pick it up
21:50 <@Dagmar> The first would be a Title 18 section 1080 violation, and Identity Theft
21:50 <@Dagmar> The second would also be Identify Theft and possibly mail fraud as well
21:51 <@Dagmar> I can't _wait_ to see how explains what "proof" he has in front of a judge come the 12th
21:51 <@Dagmar> 'cuz I'm going to be right there singing chapter and verse how fucked he is if he got that paperwork without a duly-authorized warrant
21:52 <@Dagmar> The tampering with the mail thing will be especially hilarious being that he's a pensioned ex-mailman
21:52 <@Dagmar> There won't be any denying he didn't know better
21:53 <@Dagmar> We've been put through a lot of shit in the alst year taking care of her grandmother
21:53 <@Dagmar> This shit, and the fact that I just dropped $2k on a retainer, is a step too far
21:55 < Synx_hm> you peeps
21:55 < Synx_hm> s/you/yo
21:56 < Synx_hm> ugh, hey Evilpig you happen to be around tonight
21:56 < Synx_hm> ive got some plex questions for ya
21:59 <@Dagmar> I mgiht have answers
21:59 <@Dagmar> ...although I mainly only use Plex recreationally
22:03 < Synx_hm> sweet
22:03 < Synx_hm> so ive got a few hopefully big pictures questions first
22:03 <@Dagmar> k
22:04 < Synx_hm> does Evilpig use letsencrypt certs on his custom plex domain
22:04 < Synx_hm> and is he using a reverse proxy with said setup
22:04 <@Dagmar> You _can_
22:04 <@Dagmar> Ther'es no rule that says you can't assign a DNS name to some external-facing thing, ghet an LE cert, and then move it internally to your network
22:05 < Synx_hm> any idea if he is using cloudflare proxying also or perhaps even cloudflare access tls
22:05 <@Dagmar> I've been kind of considering it but my browser doesn't care that mine is signed by my own CA
22:05 < Synx_hm> well im more curious how it works using your own domain/certs while still using plex.tv and the apps for remote access
22:05 <@Dagmar> That I do not know.  I'd have to look closely at the thing and I don't remember the hostname anymore
22:06 <@Dagmar> You don't really use the plex.tv URL unless you're _ouside_ your network
22:06 <@Dagmar> It's https://plex.at.home here
22:06 < PigBot> openDCIM Data Center Inventory (at plex.at.home login/password dcim/dcim) http://tinyurl.com/v779uzg
22:06 <@Dagmar> I've got a kicker to go from .,..
22:06 <@Dagmar> LOL
22:06 <@Dagmar> Anyway, I've got a kicker to punt machines from 80->443 and from 443 to the custom port
22:07 <@Dagmar> So no one in the house has the excuse "I couldn't remember the hostname"
22:07 < Synx_hm> so i just checked wilburs domain and its HTTP punted to HTTPS plex.tv for auth then back to HTTP for the webapp
22:07 < Synx_hm> not sure how i feel about that
22:07 <@Dagmar> Yeah it'll auth through plex.tv
22:08 < Synx_hm> anyways, here is what i am considering... 32400 port forward per normal for normal normal access via app, external etc
22:08 <@Dagmar> It can't exactly _stop you_
22:08 < Synx_hm> and 443 ssl offloading haproxy on a custom domain with acme certs, using haproxy or some other reverse proxy to do TLS client auth on my requests so i can lock it down to specific client certs
22:08 < Synx_hm> that way it the local plex server thinks its serving local clients and never requests auth
22:09 < Synx_hm> the end goal being to bypass any hit of 'plex.tv' for anything including user auth to the end user
22:09 < Synx_hm> my corp domain blocks that
22:09 <@Dagmar> That would take some slightly more-than-casual modification
22:09 <@Dagmar> It does auth requests here entirely within my LAN, which is annoying because it means if Comcast is failing I can't even watch old youtube videos
22:10 < Synx_hm> the client cert part i got easy, company uses access smart cards so i can lock it down to my cert and a few 'buddies'
22:10 <@Dagmar> It'a almost enough to make me go back to Emby
22:10 < Synx_hm> ya thats one sticking point
22:10 < Synx_hm> so i've been reading that is because (did you perhaps setup a plex "home")
22:10 < Synx_hm> if you have fast user switching it will require external wan link for auth
22:10 <@Dagmar> No, just a normal plex server
22:11 <@Dagmar> We're accessing it via the Samsung app on BigAss TV, the Roku in the master bedroom, and various browsers and android apps
22:11 < Synx_hm> hrm everything i am reading says that with no fast user switching, and a normal plex setup where it resides on your same subnet it should allow full access (admin level) from the HTTP  webapp
22:11 <@Dagmar> The TV didn't have an Emby app the last time I looked
22:11 < Synx_hm> hence why i was hoping to do the reverse proxy thing
22:11 < Synx_hm> i may just have to try it haha
22:12 <@Dagmar> I only set up one user so definitely no fast user switching here
22:12 < Synx_hm> man that is so fucking annoying, plex's constant need for fucking wan link defeats the entire damn thing
22:12 <@Dagmar> It's only accessible from within my house so I would have left it out entirely if I could
22:12 < Synx_hm> oh and also plex sync is complete fucking garbage
22:13 <@Dagmar> Yeah I'm not a fan of their premium features
22:13 <@Dagmar> Like, stop trying to upsell me, guys
22:13 < Synx_hm> ya
22:13 <@Dagmar> I jsut need something to stream the video that's not a fucking uPNP eyesore
22:14 < Synx_hm> hahaha DLNA is such a horrible thing hahaha
22:14 < Synx_hm> so you might enjoy this...
22:14 <@Dagmar> I suspect when I get around to reading the latest RFCs on that I'll see that it's right there in the rules that all fully-compliant uPNP display mechanisms must look like complete shit
22:14 <@Dagmar> DLNA itself isn't bad
22:14 <@Dagmar> Everything that uses it does an absolutely shit job of presentation
22:16 < Synx_hm> i recently picked up a WD MyPassport Wireless Pro (basically a arm buildroot box) and setup share tags/collection tags to auto "optimize" in plex parts of my collection
22:16 < Synx_hm> then i replicate the db for those items to the wd passport with a script i found on github
22:16 < Synx_hm> and boom instant portable wifi hotspot with a plex server
22:17 < Synx_hm> only issue is stupid fucking plex has no 'DO NOT TRANSCODE EVER' flag
22:17 <@Dagmar> hahaha
22:17 <@Dagmar> I felt the same way
22:17 < Synx_hm> it was great for the long drive i just went on with the kids
22:17 <@Dagmar> I vaguely recally spotting a way to make it just _fail_ instead of transcoding
22:17 <@Dagmar> That might be an option for you
22:18 < Synx_hm> i think you can script that through the api or with tatulli or what ever that tool is called
22:18 <@Dagmar> WEll, no, I literally told it to use /bin/false or something as the trancoder
22:19 <@Dagmar> I'm using a Phenom Black (which is a little dated) which has enough oomph to do one stream live
22:19 <@Dagmar> It doesn't have enough to do two
22:19 <@Dagmar> I was looking for a way to keep the stepson from jamming up our ability to watch movies
22:20 <@Dagmar> Speaking of, I'm irked with AMD
22:20 <@Dagmar> I'm having a real hard time justifying the spend on a 3700X when it's 50% more than a 2700X for like a 15% speed increase
22:21 <@Dagmar> Granted even the 3800X beats the crap out of Intel, but it's the principle of the thing
22:21 < Synx_hm> oh hahaha nice a literal bin swap good idea
22:21 < Synx_hm> my server does ok, its an old xenon 1230v2
22:22 <@Dagmar> Yeah it really _shouldn't_ be transcoding anyuthing
22:22 < Synx_hm> but one just once i let somebody logon with my fucking own plex credentials so they wouldn't have to buy the app on iOS and they wont fucking stop trying to make my server transcode my UHD h265 HDR and 4K content
22:22 <@Dagmar> practically everything in there is h.264 High/4.1
22:22 <@Dagmar> ...the vast majority of which is only 720p because I don't fuckin' care
22:23 <@Dagmar> If it's going to take up 2Gb it had better have fractals or very detailed space battles, or it's getting re-encoded
22:23 <@Dagmar> God my mom was asking me last week if she would be able to see the TV better if she got a 4K screen
22:24 <@Dagmar> She's trying to put it on the wall, where the largest that can go is 32"
22:24 <@Dagmar> I'm like. "NO MOM IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT"
22:24 <@Dagmar> She figured sharper picture means sharper vision or some shit
22:24 <@Dagmar> I made sure to tell my dad if some asshat at BestBuy starts telling her she's right, to contact me and I'll eat him
22:25 < Synx_hm> hahah
22:25 <@Dagmar> Her vision is as bad as mine
22:25 <@Dagmar> She wouldn't know the difference between SD and 1080 on the wall at that size
22:25 <@Dagmar> She doesn't even wear her glasses in the bed
22:26 <@Dagmar> I was only half joking about the "Eat him"
22:26 < Synx_hm> in other news ive been reading that a bunch of people use cloudflare to proxy their plex servers to remote guests as the peering is way better
22:26 <@Dagmar> I'll go down there and make whoever it was the laughing stock of the place
22:26 <@Dagmar> THey'll _wish_ I'd eaten them
22:26 <@Dagmar> Synx_hm: THat's entirely possible, since Cloudflare has _excellent_ peering
22:26 <@Dagmar> THey're literally connected to everyplace they can
22:26 < Synx_hm> all of them swearing that it wont "cache or send the stream via CF routing/bw" and then the few in there yelling hey ass clowns ive been banned from using cloudflare free products
22:26 < Synx_hm> ya
22:27 < Synx_hm> i have no doubt if i turned on the feature on my subdomain plex would perform way better remotely
22:28 < Synx_hm> what i do doubt is that im not sending my streaming traffic now via cloudflare, i enjoy their products enough to not want to get myself perma banned
22:28 <@Dagmar> How would you get perma banned?  What products?
22:29 <@Dagmar> I'm sort of vaguely aware that Dreamhost does stuff with them
22:29 <@Dagmar> If someone wants to DDoS my website, all I'm going to think is "Wow, your life is dull as shit"
22:30 <@Dagmar> I could only feel pity
22:31 <@Dagmar> Oh I see.  I think these are the same things that are already happening through Dreamhost
22:32 < Synx_hm> Dagmar, using their dns services
22:33 <@Dagmar> Yeah I suspect punting Plex binaries to their free "Workers" service to do transocoding would do it
22:33 < Synx_hm> hahahaha ya
22:33 <@Dagmar> I can't see them getting bent about DNS unless someone's trying to tunnel video over it
22:33 <@Dagmar> Video over TXT records makes a lot of people really angry if you even mention it.  heh
22:33 < Synx_hm> also im really interested in using their 'access' service and possible the vpn link with it
22:34 < Synx_hm> its more so that you can enable proxy'ing on your DNS records so they end up taking the front load of your BW that hits the domain
22:34 < Synx_hm> and they proxy and cache it all
22:34 < Synx_hm> for free
22:34 <@Dagmar> _Are_ you trying to tunnel video over TXT records?
22:35 <@Dagmar> DNS just isn't a lot of bandwidth
22:35 < Synx_hm> hahaha good god no, but it sounds like it might be fun to try
22:35 <@Dagmar> No seriously don't do it
22:35 < Synx_hm> no no i mean with cloudflare you switch on "proxy" in their webui, and they put their own IP on the record instead
22:35 < Synx_hm> then they proxy, cache, and route all requests from your domain through their network back to you
22:35 <@Dagmar> It'll *work* but it'll also degrade functionality in ways that will cause DNS admins to have to do many hours of work to define authoritatively how much of an asshole you were
22:36 <@Dagmar> Ah okay
22:36 < Synx_hm> they take any DDoS etc, they cache all your content and put it at their nodes etc
22:36 < Synx_hm> people are doing that with their plex servers
22:36 <@Dagmar> Yeah they might be a little pissy about being used to proxy content of dubious provenance
22:36 < Synx_hm> have you seen their new offering of "streaming"
22:37 <@Dagmar> Yeah
22:37 < Synx_hm> you upload a video, they transcode it to eleventy different versions and stream it out for you
22:37 <@Dagmar> I was just looking through their services offerings
22:37 <@Dagmar> We have fuckers using GODDAMN FLASH VIDEO for training at the office
22:37 <@Dagmar> So I'm sort of casually shopping for a way to adjudicate the death penalty on that group and replace them with a small shell script
22:38 <@Dagmar> No one should be hosting freakin flash video as a for-pay service in this day and age
22:38 <@Dagmar> THey shoudl be sending out apology letters, not invoices
22:40 <@Dagmar> Unrelated, I must have done something too stupid for me to immediatley see it a few weeks ago when I was trying something that i had almost no problem with today
22:40 <@Dagmar> All I was trying to do was pass a filehandle up from a perl subroutine, and it would break like I was schlepping it from another package
22:40 <@Dagmar> This morning I had no problems at all writing fuckin' OO code that is storing object blobs and filehandles alike
22:41 <@Dagmar> ...and definitely merrily crossing package boundaries
22:42 <@Dagmar> Probably by the end od the day tomorrow I'll ahave to code worked out to just issue atomic commands like $sw->add_service_group($serviceName, $service1, [,$service2])
22:42 <@Dagmar> ...and it'll just go and look to see if the service group exists, and if so, it'll simply modify the existing one to my exact definitiojn
22:45 < Synx_hm> haha
22:45 <@Dagmar> Ben likes to pastebomb
22:45 <@Dagmar> I can't pastebomb this stuff because Sonicwall is _stupid_
22:46 <@Dagmar> But this needed ot be OO just to reduce the amount of fucking boilerplate incurred by Expect.pm
22:46 <@Dagmar> I'm turning about 15 lines into 1
22:47 <@Dagmar> Actually I think the last iteration had a hook to catcj being notified another admin logged in, so 23 to 1
22:48 <@Dagmar> ...but for sure, return bless($self, $class) is some kind of ugly shiite
22:48 <@Dagmar> It is utterly lacking in elegance
22:57 < Synx_hm> ha
23:02 <@Dagmar> I'm not 100% sure how to handle the destructors yet, but most of these programs will exit after they're done anyway
23:03 <@Dagmar> THe main point of going OO was to get rid of all the goddamn boilerplate.  Keeping a single ssh session open was just a nice side effect
23:03 <@Dagmar> That part got simple, too.  I just pass a serial number
23:04 <@Dagmar> I *may* go back and add a "by all possible means" modifier since the database keeps a lot about how they're configured already
23:04 <@Dagmar> I am _trying_ to avoid re-inventing rexec with perl, but that'll probably happen in the next few days anyway
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