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06:46 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:47  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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07:10 <@Dolemite> Oh, wait, that was a quit, not a join
07:11 <@Dolemite> Didn't realize he's been lurking in here
07:28 -!- Irssi: #se2600: Total of 26 nicks [16 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 10 normal]
07:30 <@Evilpig> the neighbor kid doesn't think i'm funny.  walked out in the livingroom and asked her if she wanted a piece of left over garlic bread from last night before school, because all boys love garlic breath.  she gave me that look like i'm the retarded one that didn't want delicious garlic bread
07:30 <@Dolemite> What was the neighbor kid doing in your living room?
07:31 < aestetix> Dolemite: you gonna go to HOPE?
07:31 <@Dolemite> Nah
07:31 <@Dolemite> O
07:32 <@Dolemite> I'm too old for that shit
07:32 <@Dolemite> Everybody would be following me around, saying, "OK BOOMER"
07:32 <@Dolemite> Which would be innacurate
07:32 <@Dolemite> I'm Generation No More Fucks Left To Give
07:34 <@eryc> ok homeowner
07:35 <@Corydon76> Yeah, I'm wondering how successful a campaign to stop calling us Generation X and start calling us the Nihilistic Generation would be.
07:35 < aestetix> haha
07:35 < aestetix> isn't a boomer anyone older than 30?
07:36 <@Corydon76> No, boomers are specifically all older than 55
07:36 < aestetix> I should have added a sarcasm tag
07:36 <@Corydon76> 40-55 is the Nihilistic Generation
07:36 <@Corydon76> 25-40 are the Millennials
07:37 <@Corydon76> 10-25 are Gen Z.
07:37 <@Corydon76> 0-9 don't have enough buying power to acquire a name from marketers.
07:38 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: she comes over each morning when her mom goes to work but before it's time to goto the bus stop
07:39 <@Corydon76> I think we should rename Gen Z as the Lithium Generation and leave it ambiguous as to whether we mean the battery or the drug.
07:40 <@eryc> the newest one is Gen Alpha
07:40 <@Corydon76> Alpha, and not AA, like in Excel spreadsheets, when you go past Z?
07:42 <@eryc> still time to change it
07:43 <@eryc> but apparently none of these younger people know how to use excel
07:47 <@Corydon76> I know one Gen Z person whose mother tortured him with overly complex Excel spreadsheets
07:50 <@eryc> haha
07:55 < xray> What generation are you in if you are older than rocks?
07:55 <@Corydon76> The generation previous to the Boomers were known as the Silent Generation, mostly people who grew up in the Great Depression and fought in WWII.
07:57 <@Corydon76> There are people from before the Silent Generation still living, but I suspect they're also of too little buying power to be named by marketers.
07:57 < xray> I'm a boomer. My Mom and Dad were the Silent Generation. My Dad was in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam.
07:58 < xray> I was Vietnam era (was in training when they pulled out) and Cold War.
07:59 < xray> pulled out of Vietnam. I can just see where the comments were going.
08:02 < xray> When I tell students about the Cuban Missile Crisis they look at me like I'm recounting my experiences from the fall of Troy.
08:16 <@Corydon76> xray: as I recall, that was one of the few times where we tread dangerously close to WWIII.
08:17 < aestetix> yep
08:17 < aestetix> as well as that time in the 80s
08:18 < aestetix> where the russians almost pushed the button for the nukes
08:18 <@Corydon76> A recounting of a recon mission over Cuba was that the rules of engagement meant that the recon mission was virtually guaranteed to start it, so the crew had to swear that, contrary to the evidence of bullet holes in the fuselage, they were not fired upon.
08:18 < xray> We all thought we were going to war. It was not a pleasant experience.
08:18 <@Corydon76> JFK called the crew in advance of the mission specifically to order them to report that they were not fired upon.
08:19 < xray> There were a lot of Cold War events that were a cats whisker from WWIII that the public never knew about.
08:20 <@Corydon76> It's not often that you hear of Presidents reaching down through the chain of command like that, but I've heard multiple stories of JFK doing exactly that, precisely to avoid being drawn into conflicts.
08:21 < xray> I think part of the reason JFK had presence of mind to do that was his Navy experience in WWII.
08:21 < xray> He knew first hand what the guy in country was thinking.
08:22 < xray> I was living on a Navy base during the CMC.
08:25 < xray> "We even show that these attacks can be performed remotely on fast networks, by recovering the authentication key of a virtual private network (VPN) server in 5 hours."
08:25 < xray> TPM-FAIL vulnerabilities impact TPM chips in desktops, laptops, servers
08:25 < xray> https://www.zdnet.com/article/tpm-fail-vulnerabilities-impact-tpm-chips-in-desktops-laptops-servers/
08:25 < PigBot> TPM-FAIL vulnerabilities impact TPM chips in desktops, laptops, servers | ZDNet (at www.zdnet.com) http://tinyurl.com/roxnxgs
08:25 < xray> At leas this didn't come out on a Friday.
08:25 <@Corydon76> Tom Lehrer described the feeling of the time as "a Christian Scientist with appendicitis"
08:28 <@Corydon76> Strangely enough, if you search for the phrase, it comes back universally with Tom Lehrer references.  How in the world did such a perfect reference not get used more often?
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13:45 <@Catonic> I was a little off-put by the lack of scheduled items a few days out from the con. I figured this or last year would be the big reunion where the two cons solidified into a single con around the same time of the year.
13:46 <@Catonic> But yeah, I don't have much to say.
13:48 <@Catonic> It's lunacy that the state of IT hasn't gotten any better, except now there are certs and every security job wants you to take on-call as well.
14:02 < aestetix> Catonic: two cons?
14:07 <@Catonic> The two nashville cons
14:08 <@Corydon76> Catonic: PhreakNIC and Nodevember?
14:09 <@Corydon76> There aren't just two Nashville cons.  There's dozens (hundreds?)
14:12 <@Catonic> I'm rather amazed at the growth of BNA in recent years.
14:14 <@Corydon76> 200 people a day, by some measures.
14:16 <@Catonic> No income tax the big driver?
14:18 <@Corydon76> It's one of the drivers, certainly
14:19 <@Corydon76> A lower overall cost of living, even though Nashville's housing market is still rising in price.
14:20 <@Corydon76> But if you hit the outskirts and *some* of the surrounding counties, you can still find housing for relatively cheap.  Given the number of businesses expanding from California, that aspect is certainly a big plus.
14:20 <@Corydon76> The morning traffic, though, continues to get worse.
14:20 <@Catonic> As opposed to the sprawl of ATL?
14:21 <@Catonic> Where it's all traf***ed all the time?
14:21 <@Corydon76> In Georgia, cities are permitted to expand beyond counties.  In Tennessee, cities are limited by county borders.
14:22 <@Corydon76> But yes, sprawl is certainly a problem in Nashville, too; it's just limited in terms of what the city can do.
14:23 <@opticron> Huntsville just made it to the point of finding that out, it's now incorporated pieces of 3 counties
14:23 <@Corydon76> It doesn't help that the owner of a number of car deaerships has managed to get the state legislature to block every single *good* mass transit plan for Nashville.
14:23 <@Catonic> As opposed to Jacksonville, FL, where the Duvall County lines are the city limits.
14:24 <@Catonic> But there's still the Music City Star, isn't there?
14:24 <@Corydon76> Yeah, that's already booked to capacity for years to come.
14:24 <@Catonic> Huntsville has divided the Shuttle bus system because the poors might use it to move around town.
14:24 <@Corydon76> And it only goes out to Wilson county
14:25 <@Catonic> Birmingham... there's nothing good I can say about the bus system other than it's a long book that reaches back into the Civil Rights Era and things don't necessarily get better.
14:25 <@Corydon76> They could potentially expand the number of runs per day, but it's still a tax-subsidized service
14:25 <@Catonic> Right now, it's desperately in need of riders.
14:26 <@Corydon76> Nashville has its MTA, but that's not really a solution, because the bus gets bogged down in traffic, the same as any other vehicle
14:26 <@Corydon76> What Nashville needs is a Elevated Train.
14:26 <@Corydon76> Like Chicago and a few other American cities
14:27 <@Corydon76> We can't do a subway, due to the water table AND that the city is built on fairly hard rock.
14:27 <@Catonic> Birmingham has similar issues with traffic from a bus standpoint. People do not want to see the bus speed past them on Hwy 280, but that's the only way to do it: Bus lanes used by busses, fire trucks, and ambulances only.
14:28 <@Corydon76> That was explored and killed by the TN state legislature.
14:28 <@Catonic> Railroads cost a stupid amount of money to build, despite the utter lack of maintenance possible in the next 100 years. Brick and rail are rated for longer lifetimes than any asphalt or concrete installation -- if they are properly installed!
14:28 <@Corydon76> I think Nashville voters got to vote on it, but the funding was too untenable for it to be a good idea at that point
14:29 <@Corydon76> We definitely need something that averts existing traffic, rather than adding to it.
14:29 <@eryc> in virginia they had HOV lanes that the buses used
14:30 <@Corydon76> We have HOV lanes in Nashville, but they're not enforced, so single driver vehicles are routinely in that lane
14:30 <@Catonic> Peering is an amazing study of "if networks should be smaller and closer together, why is everyone buying transit to major metro areas?"
14:31 <@eryc> virginia enforced the hov into dc
14:31 <@eryc> pretty heavy penalty too
14:32 <@Corydon76> Don't get me wrong.  I'd *love* to see Nashville enforce it.
14:32 <@Catonic> eryc: yeah, VA is serious about speeding tickets and offenses.
14:32 <@Corydon76> Maybe with something along the lines of red light cameras, watching every single vehicle
14:32 <@Corydon76> Get a nice big fine in the mail, if you're in the HOV lane without passengers
14:33 <@Catonic> GA is too if you're > 10 MPH, which is bunk because I've lost track the number of times I've seen 70-90+ on the interstates in ATL and every one of them has a 55 MPH speed limit.
15:05 <@oddball> The HOV lanes are only in affect during rush hour.  I've seen them enforce them.  just causes rush hour to be worse.
15:21 <@opticron> yeah, I can imagine
15:21 <@opticron> people are really bad about rubbernecking everywhere
15:23 <@oddball> Well, there's also the issue that the HOV lanes in Nashville really should have been normal lanes for expansion, but the city/state figured out that they could get more Fed money if the expansion lane was HOV.
16:09 <@Corydon76> oddball: That's why I think they should be camera-operated enforcement.
16:10 <@Corydon76> That doesn't cause any additional traffic snarls, other than people who shouldn't have been there in the first place trying to get over, at the camera spots
16:14 <@oddball> Or we can just make the damn things be regular lanes, and let normal traffic use them.  We desperately need the extra lane.
16:16 <@Corydon76> We only desperately need the extra lane because Nashville by and large doesn't carpool
16:18 <@Corydon76> If we took half the cars off the roads at rush hour, we'd be fine.
16:18 <@Corydon76> And yes, I know that some people can't carpool, but the people who pool at 3 or 4 to a vehicle *should* be able to make up the difference.
16:59 <@Dagmar> Ban all trucks with < 25Mpg
16:59 <@Dagmar> problem solved
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