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07:07 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:08 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: Welcome to Middle School Parenting.   It doesn't get easier.
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07:40 <@opticron> finally happened https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47891737
07:40 < PigBot> Julian Assange: Wikileaks co-founder arrested in London - BBC News (at www.bbc.com) http://tinyurl.com/y2ztppvf
07:41 < xray> So Julian's notoriously bad manners finally caught up with him.
08:08 <@opticron> sounds like that was at least part of it
08:09 <@opticron> or maybe a convenient excuse, who knows
08:22 < xray> I also heard that Ecuador's new president doesn't like Julian.
08:23 < xray> "I announce that the discourteous and aggressive behaviour of Julian Assange...has led to the situation where asylum is unsustainable and no longer viable"
08:23 < xray> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-2f-d8Vuyo
08:23 < PigBot> Ecuador President Lenin Moreno on revoking Julian Assange's asylum (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/yygktyom
08:26 < TheDukh_> Chances his plane goes down mysteriously during transport?
08:28 < xray> That sounds like a tin foil hat talking but I don't think it is that far fetched.
08:28 < xray> Look at what happened with Lee Harvey Oswald?
08:32 <@Corydon76> If he boards a plane on the record, he will be delivered to the destination on the record.  If not, he will be "released" and never heard from again.
08:33 < xray> There is no guarantee that the UK will allow extradition to the US>
08:34 <@Corydon76> We absolutely have black ops people in the UK who can perform an extraordinary rendition, but they will not do so unless and until Assange is legally released from custody.
08:35 < xray> I agree. The question is: Will the US risk damaging its relationship with the UK by doing an ER?
08:36 <@Corydon76> You forget the person in charge in the US is the proverbial bull in a china shop.
08:37 < xray> Good point. He can be unpredicatable.
08:37 < xray> Seems I can't type this morning.
08:37 <@Corydon76> If it were Obama in charge, I'd say he would not risk the relationship.  With Trump, all bets are off.
08:37 < xray> Sadly, true.
08:38 < xray> An interesting twist is if Russia whisked him away and gave him sanctuary.
08:40 < xray> Russia has said that they "hope Assange's rights will be respected"
08:40 < xray> Almost like watching a real life Game of Thrones but with less blood.
08:40 <@Dolemite> Russia in the position of standing up for Human Rights.   LOL
08:41 <@Corydon76> Russia might do that to stick its finger in the eye of Britain, if Assange were already within its borders.  But I doubt they'll lift a finger to help him.
08:41 < xray> Asylum for Snowden and Assange?
08:41 <@Corydon76> That's what they did with Snowden.
08:42 <@Corydon76> Snowden already managed to get himself into Moscow.
08:42 <@Corydon76> And Putin kept him as an effective means to wag his tongue at Obama.
08:43 < xray> This is an interesting analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7dqsCpbdXA
08:43 < PigBot> Neil Clark: "Julian Assange has been besmirched" (at www.youtube.com)
08:44 <@Corydon76> I love how you can tell who is a partisan stooge by who is claiming that Ecuador's action was illegal.
08:44 <@Corydon76> Or Britain's arrest
08:45 < xray> How on earth could they come to the conclusion that Ecuador's action was illegal? Assange was being a dick and they asked him to leave.
08:45 <@Corydon76> If Assange's diplomatic papers were accepted by Britain, then, absolutely, the arrest would be a violation of international law.  But Britain refused to accept his diplomatic papers
08:46 <@Corydon76> xray: Ecuador gave Assange citizenship in 2018
08:46 < xray> Or is that just the public excuse that Ecuador used? I'm starting to sound like I need a tin foil hat.
08:47 <@Corydon76> Thing is, there's nothing wrong with Ecuador ejecting its own citizen from an embassy to face local charges.
08:47 < xray> Corydon76: I wasn't aware of that.
08:47 < xray> Is it illegal to throw a citizen out of their home embassy?
08:47 <@Corydon76> Even the US will do that if they're convinced the local charges are justified
08:48 <@Corydon76> It is not illegal for them to do that.
08:48 <@Corydon76> It is also not illegal for them to sheltere their own citizen in the embassy.
08:49 <@Corydon76> It is a matter entirely up to Ecuadorian diplomats.
08:49 < xray> As far as I know an Embassy can shelter whom ever they like, citizen or not.
08:49 <@Corydon76> Correct.  And they can also eject any person at any time.
08:50 <@Corydon76> The only rules apply to a person who has diplomatic papers accepted by the host country:  those people can only be ejected from the country; they cannot be arrested.
08:50 < xray> It is interesting that Assange released documents that showed what really happened behind "the curtain" did not match the public narrative. I suspect the same is true regarding his expulsion from the embassy.
08:51 <@Corydon76> Or, more specifically, they're given a certain amount of time to leave, and then, if they're still around, they can be arrested.
08:51 <@Corydon76> Yeah, but Assange took sides as to which documents he accepted and released
08:52 <@Corydon76> The original intent behind Wikileaks was that it was to be a clearinghouse with no one person able to use the organization to further a single agenda.
08:53 <@Corydon76> Assange flipped that script when he took control.
08:53 <@Corydon76> He was originally only supposed to be the technical adviser, and the guy who held the domain in trust.
08:53 < xray> It has forced the examination of the journalistic edge case. When does journalism become espionage.
08:54 <@Corydon76> No, I don't think it goes to that extreme.  It's still journalism, but it's slanted journalism, slanted to a particular agenda.
08:55 <@Corydon76> In that way, it becomes notably untrustworthy, not because what it does release isn't true, but because it chooses to only release documents that further a specific agenda.
08:55 < xray> I don't think freedom of the press precludes an agenda.
08:56 <@Corydon76> So you still have to ask, "What else is out there?"
08:56 <@Corydon76> Good journalism at least _attempts_ to be fair and balanced.
08:56 <@Corydon76> Where it should fail is only in the realm of incompetence, not intention.
08:57 < xray> It is interesting that the primary video of his arrest is from RT News. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_(TV_network)
08:57 < PigBot> RT (TV network) - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/ka4e7yx
08:57 <@Corydon76> Big surprise that Russia Today had advance notice.
09:00 < xray> He was arrested by British police for "failure to appear".
09:00 < xray> Basically he jumped bail.
09:03 <@Corydon76> Right
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13:21 < K`Tetch_> 09:47:07 «@Corydon76» Thing is, there's nothing wrong with Ecuador ejecting its own citizen from an embassy to face local charges. <-- they rescinded his citizenship over issues in his application
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13:23 <@Corydon76> K`Tetch_: that would be another difference between the US and Ecuador.  Once citizenship is conferred, it is well-nigh impossible to have it rescinded in the US.  Government officials can take their sweet time over an application, and they're expected to catch those problems BEFORE citizenship is granted.
13:24 < K`Tetch_> its nott hat hard to have ti rescinded if there's lies in the aplpication paperwork
13:24 < K`Tetch_> nor is it that hard, if the person has citizenship in another country (as assange does with australia) as that wouldn't leave them stateless
13:25 <@Corydon76> In those cases, though, the government has to explain to a judge why they didn't catch the falsehoods before citizenship was granted.
13:26 < K`Tetch_> in the US, yes
13:26 < K`Tetch_> in some other countries, it's simpler
13:26 <@Corydon76> Apparently
13:26 < K`Tetch_> the UK right now is in the middle of a debate over it being the decision of the home secretary or a judge
13:26 < K`Tetch_> historicaly, its been down to the home secretary
13:26 <@Corydon76> That's insane.
13:27 < K`Tetch_> but it can be appealed to a judge
13:27 <@Corydon76> That's better.
13:28 < K`Tetch_> the current uk case is over a girl who went to join ISIS at 15, and now at I think 12 wanted to back tot he uk, renouncing them, because she was abused, raped, impregnated a bunch of times (most of them died)
13:28 < K`Tetch_> er 21 not 12
13:29 < K`Tetch_> https://www.euronews.com/2019/02/19/isis-bride-shamima-begum-faces-move-from-uk-home-office-to-revoke-citizenship-says-family
13:29 < PigBot> ISIS bride Shamima Begum faces move from UK Home Office to revoke citizenship, says family's lawyer | Euronews (at www.euronews.com) http://tinyurl.com/yypedtkr
13:31 < K`Tetch_> Javid (UK HS) says she had banglideshi citizenship, so could do it, but they deny it. etc.
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15:32 < aestetix> what a day
15:33 < aestetix> I missed all the assange stuff because I was in a day long agile workshop
15:33 < aestetix> god that sucked
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16:18 <@Evilpig> internet tech support is all the same.  "oh you want to plug up a router?  no we don't support that"
16:19 <@Evilpig> I try to use my new static address and when I traceroute I hit the modem and go no further.  I'm 99% sure there is a route missing from the modem
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18:46 < K`Tetch> Evilpig - thats because the wavelengths are wrong!
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19:50 <@Evilpig> turns out there was a misconfiguration in the modem for sure
19:50 <@Evilpig> and then I had to do some tweaking with my router to allow the connections on the secondary connection
19:50 <@Evilpig> now that those are straight I can put in some work on this over the weekend and swap the two connections and still keep all my other services running on the comcrap shit for a bit.  at least the dns, email, etc
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23:32 < K`Tetch_> as I said, Evilpig - your router didn't have the right wavelengths
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