--- Log opened Tue Apr 09 00:00:11 2019
06:49 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:50  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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07:20  * Catonic waves
07:23  * aestetix farts
07:24  * aestetix waves the fart to Catonic 
07:24 <@Catonic> Lordt.
07:24 <@Catonic> What have you been eating?
07:25 < xray> Dead things?
07:26 < xray> Now that I think about it, aren't most things we eat dead?
07:27 < aestetix> reminds me of the saying "plants are what food eats"
07:27 < aestetix> which btw is a great way to piss off vegans
07:37 < aestetix> I have a gaming question
07:37 < aestetix> I played SimCity 2013 and actually enjoyed it..... a cracked version of course, because fuck online only
07:38 < aestetix> but they have made a few design decisions that really piss me off, so I stopped playing it
07:38 < aestetix> Anyone know if alternatives are better?
07:42 < xray> I'm pretty much a died in the wool FPS guy so I don't think I can help.
07:52 <@opticron> aestetix, I hear Cities:Skylines is pretty good
08:00 <@opticron> mostly from people that really enjoyed SC2K
08:00 <@Evilpig> 2k was pretty sweet
08:00 <@opticron> yeah, 2k was my jam
08:01 <@opticron> I tried 3k, but was kind of put off
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08:02 <@opticron> I built one city that generated so much money that if you left it running for a couple hours it'd cause an overflow in the variable and rolled it negative
08:02 <@Dolemite> Apparently power go bye-bye at home long enough to drain the UPS
08:11 <@Dolemite> The guy teaching this Linux Performance Analysis and Tuning class really knows his stuff.   He's been hacking away at the Linux kernel for 15-20 years.
08:13 <@Dolemite> Half of yesterday's class was pointing out which counters in Linux are complete bullshit/untrustworthy but are included to maintain compatibility with old UNIX tools
08:14 < aestetix> Is his name Lennartr?
08:14 <@Dolemite> Nope
08:15 < aestetix> Did you ask him what he thinks of systemd?
08:15 <@Dolemite> Gerlof Langeveld
08:15 <@Dolemite> He did a very good job of not rendering an opinion on systemd
08:18 <@Evilpig> But there is only one real opinion there.  it's bloated and has suffered way too much from scope creep
08:19 <@Evilpig> shit I confused fact and opinion again
08:19 < aestetix> oh btw, want to hear the latest hipster business model?
08:19 < aestetix> I actually saw one of these in the street this past weekend
08:19 <@Dolemite> community rented scarves?
08:20 <@Dolemite> named after an obscure fruit?
08:20 < aestetix> It's a store where you can go, and pick some dinner thing, and they have the recipe, and all the ingredients pre-cut and ready to go
08:20 < aestetix> But because the ingredients are pre-cut and presized for you, they triple the cost
08:20 <@Dolemite> Wait, wait, I have the name for it!
08:20 <@Dolemite> "Heirloom"
08:21 <@Evilpig> hasn't the grocery store been doing that for years if you just went to the deli?
08:21 < aestetix> Evilpig: yes
08:21 < aestetix> it's basically a grocery store for people who don't know how to cook and don't want to waste the time learning
08:22 < aestetix> Oh and here is the best part
08:22 < aestetix> They have a little cafe where they also serve coffee, to apparently bring in money while they wait for the real business to pick up
08:22 <@Dolemite> It's also for people who don't know how to buy a family pack and portion it out into multiple meals
08:22 < aestetix> Normally the coffeehouse is the side business that is supported by someone with actual money
08:23 < aestetix> And in this case, the coffeehouse is actually bringing in money supporting the stupid startup idea that will never work
08:23 <@Evilpig> damn portioning.  that just reminded me I have another batch of green beans I need to cook
08:23 <@Evilpig> sprouts had green beans for $1/lb this weekend and I got something like 8lbs
08:24 < aestetix> oh actually that's not the best part
08:24 < aestetix> the best part is they opened right next door to an actual cafe
08:24 < aestetix> both of them had chairs out front. guess which business actually had customers
08:25 <@Evilpig> not the cafe?
08:25 < aestetix> if you're gonna put in a little hipster cafe to try and support your stupid startup idea, you really shuld make sure there are no real cafes nearby first
08:26 < aestetix> but really, cafes usually last like two years tops before internal drama or financial reality kicks in
08:26 < aestetix> I'm just mindblown by how stupid the people running this startup must be
08:27 < aestetix> I mean they could at least do it like the russia mafia here. There are all these little casinos nobody ever goes into, which are a front for whatever the mob is doing on the black market
08:45 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: Oh, and I just did something I never imagined I'd do...    made a reservation for a Hampton Inn at $300/night
08:45 <@Dolemite> In NASHVILLE
08:45 <@Dolemite> 3 of us are heading over to DevOpsDays Nashville in May
08:50 < aestetix> did fine brothers ever do a "teens react to 2 girls 1 cup" video?
08:59 <@Dolemite> Mirage: I'm sure you've heard of the investigation, but now Chloe is pleading guilty! -> https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/08/entertainment/allison-mack-guilty-plea/index.html
08:59 < TheDukh> random question:  does anyone know how to find out what version of AWS EFS is running?  Compliance docs are asking for what version we have of it and I can't just tell them to piss off. :-/
09:04 <@Corydon76> TheDukh: When all else fails, use '1.0'
09:04 <@Corydon76> If they claim a vulnerability in 1.0, do something, and tell them the version is now 2.0.
09:14 < TheDukh> You do Fed work, don't you @Corydon76 :D
09:15 <@Corydon76> That depends upon what you mean by that.
09:15 <@Corydon76> The company I work for certainly has government contracts.
09:16 <@Corydon76> And I'm familiar with dealing with morons who demand compliance with various standards.
09:18 <@Corydon76> If I set Apache to return the version 9999.9999.9999, we'd be in compliance forever with some of these idiots, who test for version numbers, instead of testing for the underlying vulnerabilities.
09:19 <@Corydon76> That was one of the mantras of my open source developing days:  test for functionality, not versions, because various vendors backport functionality.
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10:45 < TheDukh> https://i.redd.it/9jde8sxby7r21.png
10:45 < TheDukh> the sheer amount of automation this guy did is amazing, and I am envious.
10:57 <@Corydon76> I'm inclined to believe that the entire story is folklore, not based upon reality.
10:57 <@Corydon76> I base that upon the use of the 'sys brew' command, which was an RFC April Fools joke.
11:00 < TheDukh> and just like that, my dreams were shattered
11:01 <@Corydon76> Why?  Folklore is supposed to be inspirational
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11:01 < TheDukh> https://stop-dont-buy.myshopify.com/products/a-mr-coffee-smart-wifi-enabled-wemo-review-wont-answer-these-17-questions
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11:06 <@Corydon76> Any time you think about a device which can dispense hot water on networked command, consider the inherent danger of it being connected to the Internet without an interceding firewall, because if you make it, someone will do that.
11:08 <@Corydon76> To say nothing of the fire hazard if someone manages to start the heating element without filling the tank with water, first.
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11:33 < aestetix> Corydon76: version numbers also pose an issue if the tool you're returns the version number as a string, not a number, and you have too many characters
11:33 < aestetix> For example, if it's expection version 0-9, and it gets version 10. The tool will just break
11:33 <@Corydon76> aestetix: It's the HTTP protocol.  They're all strings.
11:34 <@Corydon76> Conversion to numbers is a function of the client _after_ the string is passed.
11:34 < aestetix> Right. And the tool would be the client
11:35 < aestetix> Maybe I worded this poorly. But whatever
11:42 <@Corydon76> I do enjoy that according to some poorly coded software from 20 years ago, the current year is 19119.
11:47 < xray> https://www.techspot.com/news/79573-china-looks-ban-cryptomining.html
11:47 < xray> China looks to ban cryptomining
11:47 < xray> Looks like the channel bot is down
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15:38 <@Mirage> Corydon76: back at VU we had the version set to just "apache" for the longest time and our security guys hated us.
15:39 <@Mirage> so we finally removed that per our director after he had a discussion with the security director (who was a non-technical idiot)
15:40 <@Mirage> then of course everything was still "out of compliance" becuase Red Hat keeps the same major version and then just backports the patches into it...which qualys also hated.
15:41 <@Mirage> So then we started letting them run their scans, then setting the version to whatever they wanted and having them scan again.
15:41 <@Corydon76> Yeah, CentOS here, and I had to apply for an exception on every single "issue" they found, that it was backported.
15:41 <@Corydon76> Finally, I got fed up with that and used other repos for the crap that they tested.
15:43 <@dasunt> Okay, so other than Linked In, where should one create a profile if they are looking to get a new job?
15:46 <@Corydon76> Monster, Indeed
15:46 <@Corydon76> On the local government site
15:46 <@Corydon76> The real key on those is to reach out to the recruiters you know
15:47 <@Corydon76> And reach out to the people you know who may have jobs working for companies where you might like to work
15:47 <@Corydon76> I have *never* obtained a job through somebody I did not already know.
15:48 <@Corydon76> It's those people who can vouch for you that are your most valuable asset.
15:49 <@Corydon76> Wait, sorry, I did receive some jobs where I was not already known.  Those were all jobs I did as a student and temp jobs shortly thereafter that had nothing to do with computers.
15:50 <@Corydon76> Or IT work, anyway
15:50 <@Corydon76> Yes, a computer store has to do with computers, but not IT work.
16:11 <@dasunt> Hmmmm.
16:27 <@Mirage> damn system owners having full admin access....  %PATH% is so fucked up that powershell claims basically nothing is found...including system executables )like cmd) and default modules
19:02 <@Evilpig> just saw the new last pass plugin, ewww
19:17 <@Evilpig> also  my gig internet will be installed on thursday!
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20:25 <@Evilpig> anyone in here have att fiber?
20:26 <@Evilpig> I need to know what the cable connection is they use from the demarc to their "ont"  looking at the demarc the one side is definitely SC.  the patch cables dude had on his truck were all yellow so I am going to assume SC/SC single mode
20:27 <@Evilpig> he had little 1 - 3 footers from what it looked like and that isn't going to be long enough to go where I need them to put their equipment and I think I can get a fiber here via amazon before then if I am just sure on the type
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