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07:09 <@Shadow404> K`Tetch_: oddball: depends on 5g roll out in the area the buddy is moving too. If 5g comes into play there with a hotspot, other than maybe a little more lag than wired, cell wont be an issue. Maybe data caps, cost, but not speed/bandwidth.
07:09 <@Shadow404> 4g is pretty good if signal and backoffice is not weak/slow
07:11 <@Shadow404> i was uploading a 5gb movie file to youtube, while riding a bus from chiang rai to chiang mai in the backroads, still had 3 of 4 bars and was uploading at 9mb solidly
07:11 <@Shadow404> so its doable, just depends on alot of factors
07:12 <@Shadow404> mind you, in the U.S. the upload would of busted through a large portion (if not all) the 4g data caps for most base plans
07:13 <@Shadow404> whereas, for $20/month usd in thailand, you get like 100gb data cap
07:13 <@Shadow404> U.S. is SUPER expensive for cell and wired internet
07:13 <@oddball> ATT has gone to unlimited, although I'd have to look to see if they're throttling heavy users.
07:14 <@Shadow404> throttling, i can guarantee that
07:14 <@oddball> My issue is that I've seen cellular data work great for short periods of time, but once you get to "always on," things can get weird.
07:14 <@Shadow404> i work with them every day on that on our vehicles
07:14 <@oddball> gotcha
07:15 <@Shadow404> always having to remove it form our plans, cause their systems keep defaulting back
07:15 <@oddball> and, well, like I said, he works from home, so he needs a solid, fast line.
07:15 <@Evilpig> When I goto virginia with ash I work from a hotspot entirely and it isn't bad
07:15 <@Shadow404> and we dont find out till the floating route points to cell for one reason or another
07:15 <@Evilpig> my parents did it for years until they were able to get cable at their house finally
07:16 <@oddball> Evilpig: huh
07:16 <@Evilpig> they're out int he sticks and the cable company refused to pull cable the 1000' to them from their last junction
07:16 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:16 <@Dolemite> If they are moving to an area without hard wired internet service available, they damn sure won't have 5G in the next 10 years
07:18 <@Evilpig> if you listen to useless pai his regulation roll back is encouraging cell companies to expand into those lesser served areas
07:20 <@Shadow404> Dolemite: you'd be surprised how that works. Sometimes they will place cells into boondocks for relay purposes
07:21 <@Shadow404> so bumsville could get 5g with almost no users on it
07:21 <@Shadow404> or even with that PRL to use it
07:22 <@oddball> Dolemite: Not sure about that.  The place should be in range of the signal along highway 109, and the current residents have been using cellular data.
07:22 <@oddball> But, of course, I'm pretty sure that they're not working out of their house.
07:26 <@Evilpig> current verizon 4g is entirely doable for remote work
07:39  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:53 <@Dolemite> 5g deployment is expensive.   It's going into urban areas, first.   Nashville might get the 2nd wave of deployments, and by Nashville, I mean the parts with tall buildings.   Definitely not Highway 109.
07:59 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: your welcome
08:00 <@Shadow404> glad your enjoying our service
08:00 <@Shadow404> Dolemite: i wouldnt be to sure about that....is what i can say now.
08:01 <@Shadow404> might more broad deployment than you think.
08:02 <@Evilpig> I don't have verizon.
08:02 <@Evilpig> my parents did
08:04 <@Shadow404> ah, oh well.
08:04 <@Corydon76> oddball: I would look into how close wired Internet can be delivered and whether he can "beam" the signal down to his location with two sets of Yagi antennae and exterior AP.
08:05 <@Corydon76> If he can get line-of-sight to a place that can get wired Internet, then that's a plausible alternative.  5G has great promise, but it's a long way from deployment in rural areas.
08:06 <@Corydon76> And satellite Internet suffers greatly from high latency.
08:07 <@Shadow404> and sattellite charges a bunch for data usage. Which is why i didnt consider that for a photographer
08:09 <@Corydon76> If he's rural enough to be at least 100 miles from any "legacy" satellite site, he can probably use the 3.7MHz band for his wireless backhaul.  Ubiquiti has some great APs in that band, but it's a) licensed, and b) restricted from usage within a certain radius of legacy satellite sites.
08:10 <@Corydon76> I looked into it briefly for a rural campground, but the campground was too close to Nashville, which has one such legacy satellite site.
08:14 <@oddball> Oh, this is in Lebanon.  Entirely too close for that.
08:19 <@oddball> This is one of those "fuck, the guy two doors down has cable!" situations.
08:19 <@Corydon76> Oh!  Yeah, definitely try the wireless backhaul, then
08:20 <@Corydon76> He's going to get *significantly* better speeds that way.
08:20 < aestetix> man I don't know what's killing the US more right now
08:20 < aestetix> money in politics, or identity politics in politics
08:21 < aestetix> y'all need some group therapy or something
08:21 <@Corydon76> Maybe even get the guy two doors down to install the cable modem in his garage or something, and then beam the Internet to him.  It'll cost somewhere in the range of $300-500 of equipment.
08:21 <@Evilpig> it's always been money in politics, nobody gives a shit abotu identity
08:21 <@oddball> Corydon76: The problem is getting someone else to play ball with that, since he'd have to use their land/electricity to set it up.
08:21 < aestetix> Evilpig: maybe the money in politics is making the identity crap worse
08:21 <@Corydon76> oddball: this is true.
08:22 <@Corydon76> Maybe they go into it together, the landowner gets a fatter pipe to Comcast, and he piggybacks on the link
08:22 <@Corydon76> Or whomever... Charter, Spectrum, whatever the provider is
08:22 <@oddball> right
08:23 <@Corydon76> If it's a business class connection, they'll be fine under the TOS.  Consumer-grade service tends to have a clause about sharing connections.
08:24 <@Corydon76> Or if the cable connection is that close, it may be worth sending a letter to the engineering division, asking what sort of easements they'd need to extend service to him.  Is it really out of their service area, or did they just happen to put the border somewhere, and they can extend it out to him just fine?
08:26 <@Corydon76> If it takes him putting up a pole or two on his property, and I know those can be expensive, is that enough to have the cable service use the poles rent-free and drop service to him?
08:27 <@Corydon76> If he's asking about business service and willing to sign a multi-year contract, generally the salesperson at the cable company will know which lines to ring to get the service delivered.
08:28 <@Corydon76> It may not cost him anything additional, and it may cost him something.  But he won't *know* until he tries.
08:29 <@oddball> I honestly don't know exact where the border is, but it can't be that far.  Apparently, Spectrum's website says that they service that address, but they don't.
08:30 <@Corydon76> That sounds like it needs a build-out, and they won't do the build until they have a paying customer
08:30 <@Corydon76> But... having a salesperson at the company who is suitably motivated (read: paid by commission) is how he'll get through those hurdles.
08:51 < K`Tetch_> 08:13:40 «@oddball» ATT has gone to unlimited, although I'd have to look to see if they're throttling heavy users. <-- 20Gb then you go to the back of the queue, iirc. it's 22Gb for verizon, I know that
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08:53 < K`Tetch_> 08:16:54 «@Dolemite» If they are moving to an area without hard wired internet service available, they damn sure won't have 5G in the next 10 years <-- In my old place in shady dale, we only had the legacy bellsouth dsl, but we were a very early tower to get 4g by verizon (the only provider in half the county, there was an at+t/tmob tower in monticello, the rest fo the county had no coverage)
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09:36 <@Corydon76> I do so love FedEx International shipments, where you can see when they sent the shipping information.  5 days, no information, and then, suddnely, you see all of the information when the package is on the vehicle for delivery.
09:37 <@Corydon76> It's worse than USPS tracking.
09:39 <@Shadow404> China Post <> USPS systems are slooowwww
09:39 <@Shadow404> i get tons of shit from Aliexpress, so that happns alot
09:40 <@Corydon76> This was for a shipment from India
09:40 <@Shadow404> usually i see it "posted" from shipper, and then 2 weeks pass and its magically enroute from ICS
09:40 <@Shadow404> Corydon76: ah, no experience with india originations
09:41 <@Shadow404> well, other than DHL for corp equipment
09:41 <@Corydon76> There's a textile printing company that prints in India, called BannerBuzz
09:42 <@Corydon76> A nonprofit I work with has gotten several things now, from them.  First, an event backdrop, with our logo tiled across it, and now, a set of table runners
09:43 <@Corydon76> Their tool for this sucked, though.  I wanted white text on a blue backdrop and their tool only showed white text on a white background.
09:43 <@Corydon76> https://hornet.com/stories/google-docs-teens/
09:43 < PigBot> Google Docs Is Used by Teens for Covert Chat Sessions (at hornet.com)
09:44 <@Mirage_> Sounds pretty optimal to me.  About the same as black text on a black background like a bunch of the spam emails i get
09:45 <@Corydon76> I sent a note to their designer and asked for a proof, and it looked fine.  But it was pretty stupid.
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12:07 <@Shadow404> tyl
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12:58 <@dasunt> Can anyone recommend a windows-based TOTP app?
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13:52 <@Evilpig> something like authy? 
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14:25 <@dasunt> Evilpig: Yep, but less cloud-based.
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14:55 <@Mirage_> https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/22/us/nebraska-flooding-fridge-of-beer-trnd/index.html
14:55 < PigBot> Nebraska flooding: Men find a fridge with ice-cold beer in a field - CNN (at www.cnn.com) http://tinyurl.com/yxegg9h9
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15:14 <@dasunt> Mirage_: I miracle!
15:14 <@dasunt> Er, A miracle.
15:22 < K`Tetch> I was just seriously told my a charter tech support person that after rebooting my modem, that if I wanted to reconnect a router, I'd have to reboot the modem again, because otherwise the wavelengths of the modem wouldn't be compatible with those of the router, they'd be set to match the wavelengths of the computer
15:23 < xray> Say what? Find out what kind of drugs the tech support person is using and patent it. You'll be rich.
15:24 <@dasunt> Sounds legit  He mentioned wavelengths.
15:24 < K`Tetch> She
15:25 <@dasunt> Even better.
15:26 < K`Tetch> but yeah, then when I asked 'does that mean the DHCP server is broke?' she repeated wavelengths, and then when I said 'wtf are you talking about, that's not how it works', she said 'sir, I have been doing this professionally for many years'.
15:27 < K`Tetch> oooh boy...
15:28 < K`Tetch> last person who said that kinda shit to me was richard bennett, when he was defending his 'µTP [bittorrent over UDP] is goign to kill the internet' claim 10 years ago
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15:28 <@dasunt> I think the brief amount of training they've put into their employees is shining brightly.
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15:28 <@dasunt> Kind of like the light emitted by a gasoline fire.
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16:58 <@Evilpig> what a bafoon
16:58 <@Evilpig> if the dumb shit said that you'd have to reboot it because they only allow a single device to connect to the modem at least that'd be honest, irritating but honest
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23:12 <@Mirage_> K`Tetch: So the modem's don't do auto MDI/MDX switching once negotiated and require being rebooted to re-negotiate for MDI/MDX.
23:13 <@Mirage_> Not sure how "crossover" ~= wavelengths
23:28 < K`Tetch> they do
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