--- Log opened Fri Feb 01 00:00:53 2019 01:10 < aestetix> Dagmar: never did 01:10 < aestetix> Dagmar: it tries to get you to sign up 01:10 < aestetix> but you can ignore it 05:54 <@Dagmar> Well, a real show-stopper is that it doesn't work very well either 06:01 <@Dagmar> despite everything being named very precisely, I have no less than five things named "Evo" 06:52 <@Evilpig> plex never needed a subscription even for mobile 06:52 <@Evilpig> if you pay for the subscription you don't have to buy the mobile app using the one time purchase 06:53 <@Evilpig> I paid the $90 lifetime thing several years ago but i've used the hell out of it too. 07:29 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 07:54 <@NotLarry> oh it's you again 08:01 <@dasunt> Tesla made a profit again. 08:06 <@brimstone> i've never paid plex money and i can stream to the rokus in my house 08:07 <@brimstone> i did get the app on android through some freebie deal 08:15 <@dasunt> Is the android app non-free? 08:31 <@Evilpig> the android app is a one time fee from the play / apple store 08:31 <@Evilpig> unless you have plexpass then it's free 08:33 <@Corydon76> Ugh. Why can't someone make an omnidirectional AP that truly is omnidirectional? 09:04 <@opticron> mostly because as you require higher gain in a device that's omni, you need more complexity, usually more radios, diversity antennas, etc 09:05 <@opticron> Corydon76, which device are you having trouble with? 09:07 <@Corydon76> opticron: the UAP-AC line has an empty zone immediately behind the mount point. So they're not very effective mounted in crawlspaces, and to be omidirectional, I essentially have to install it on the ceiling of the highest living space. 09:07 -!- crashcartpro [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gfjbrqqemtwrpozp] has joined #se2600 09:08 <@Corydon76> If you install it on the ceiling of the first floor, it has no reach immediately above the AP if you have a second floor. 09:09 <@Corydon76> For maximum reach on the lowest liveable floor, I essentially have to either install it on the floor, or I have to fashion a mount underneath the floor so that it points upward to the living space. 09:10 <@opticron> yeah, I'm aware of that deficiency 09:10 <@opticron> my dead zone is currently placed toward the neighbors 09:17 <@opticron> and all my network equipment is on the first floor of a 2 story house, so I have the exact same mounting issues. on top of that, I don't have a crawlspace where I *could* install it 09:18 <@Corydon76> Even the crawlspace isn't all that ideal, since the nice thick support beams may significantly cut down on 5.8GHz propagation. 09:21 <@Corydon76> I'm left wondering whether it's better to put the AP up real close the floor, to minimize the signal blockage, or simply find a way to pass a wire up into the living space, so I can mount the AP in the living space pointed downward. 09:23 <@Corydon76> All of this would be so much easier if someone had put in conduit when the house was built, instead of needing to guess at where walls are from underneath (or conversely, getting into walls and drilling downward, hoping I miss support beams). 09:25 <@Mirage> the bane of my existence for rewiring my new house has been the super tall ceilings coupled with all the existing wires hanving been stapled. can't just tie on to the old one and pull it through. 09:28 <@Mirage> pretty much just the kitchen is a normal 8' ceiling. everything else is 10-12' 09:28 <@Corydon76> Hopefully you don't also have to deal with somebody having put cross braces in the walls. Nothing spoils your day like discovering that about halfway up the wall, someone has put in a cross support that is stopping your wire from passing. 09:29 <@opticron> I haven't opened my walls and don't want to 09:29 <@Mirage> i need to jam fish stix down from the top to see instead of just a fish tape. i don't think there are any cross braces, but i'm not 100% sure 09:29 <@opticron> Corydon76, put the AP in the bottom of a cabinet somewhere facing up? 09:30 <@Corydon76> opticron: Oooh, that's an idea. 09:31 <@Corydon76> I have a window seat in the dining room where that would work pretty well. 09:31 <@Mirage> what I wish is that the AC-AP-Pro supported PoE passthru for the second interface. I have the first one connected to the PoE switch for one end of the house, then had to use an injector up in the attic for the chain connection from the second port on it to the one on the other end of the house. 09:32 <@Corydon76> Mirage: The problem I've noticed with those isn't that; it's that you get enough of a voltage drop that the injector won't work very far from the endpoint. 09:33 <@Corydon76> Case in point, I had to put an injector in the garage, because the injector in the utility room wasn't transmitting out to the garage. 09:34 <@Corydon76> Or it was probably transmitting, but the voltage wasn't high enough to power my AP on. 09:35 <@Mirage> shouldn't be an issue whn/if i ever get around to getting 2 runs for the attic. my injectors are 48v 09:36 <@Mirage> though i only have to use 1 of them now since i got the PoE switch 09:37 <@Corydon76> Overvolting the AP doesn't damage them? 09:38 <@Corydon76> I know there's some tolerance, but usually that's in the 5-10V range, not 24V over. 09:38 <@Corydon76> especially for DC. 09:40 <@Mirage> never had an issue. 48v is "normal" for PoE 09:40 <@Mirage> at least so far as I've ever known 09:40 <@Corydon76> Ubiquiti injectors are all 24V. 09:41 <@Mirage> cloudkey and ap's all work fine w/ 48v injector 09:43 <@opticron> Corydon76, pretty sure 24v is just ubiquiti's "dumb" PoE 09:43 <@opticron> all real PoE runs 40-50V range 09:44 <@opticron> and their APs definitely support that along with their non-dumb injectors 09:44 <@opticron> I have the UAP-AC-HD which even requires 3at type 2/"PoE+" 09:45 <@opticron> it's a chonky bastard 09:47 <@Corydon76> This is my central POE injector: https://www.amazon.com/WT-GPOE-4B-24v30w-Gigabit-Passive-Ethernet-Injector/dp/B01NAPJ9M6 09:47 < PigBot> Amazon.com: WT-GPOE-4B-24v30w Gigabit 4 Port Passive PoE Power Over Ethernet Injector - 24 Volts for Ubiquiti, Mikrotik: Computers & Accessories (at www.amazon.com) http://tinyurl.com/ycxlkfl8 09:49 <@Corydon76> And that would make sense. My first AP that I installed was the Lite version, which requires passive POE. 09:50 <@Mirage> I got this for the new house to replace using injectors for everything: https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-Managed-Gigabit-US-8-150W/dp/B01DKXT4CI/ 09:50 < PigBot> Amazon.com: Ubiquiti Networks 8-Port UniFi Switch, Managed PoE+ Gigabit Switch with SFP, 150W (US-8-150W): Computers & Accessories (at www.amazon.com) http://tinyurl.com/yan4rvyj 09:51 <@Mirage> The injectors I was using before are: https://www.amazon.com/TP-LINK-TL-PoE150S-Injector-Adapter-compliant/dp/B001PS9E5I/ 09:51 <@Evilpig> Mirage: I have one like that 09:51 < PigBot> Amazon.com: TP-LINK TL-PoE150S PoE Injector Adapter, IEEE 802.3af compliant, up to 100 meters (325 Feet): Electronics (at www.amazon.com) http://tinyurl.com/y8r54dqe 09:51 <@Evilpig> https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-UniFi-Switch-Managed-US-24-250W/dp/B00OJZUQ24 09:51 < PigBot> Amazon.com: Ubiquiti UniFi Switch - 24 Ports Managed (US-24-250W): Computers & Accessories (at www.amazon.com) http://tinyurl.com/y8qn3cru 09:53 <@Mirage> This is my main switch: https://www.amazon.com/Cisco-SG500X-24-K9-Layer-3-Switch/dp/B007UQRSRA/ 09:53 < PigBot> Amazon.com: Cisco SG500X-24-K9 Layer 3 Switch: Computers & Accessories (at www.amazon.com) http://tinyurl.com/ya9vtott 09:54 <@Mirage> And yes, I'm using the SFP's on each to connect them via fiber 09:55 <@Corydon76> I may do that at some point, but I'm still on a single switch configuration as of now. 09:55 <@Corydon76> Well, one smart switch anyway 09:56 <@Corydon76> The dumb switch in my office might get upgraded at some point. 10:06 <@opticron> Mirage, that's the same switch I got, it's been nice not having to deal with PoE injectors everywhere 10:06 <@opticron> the unifi 150W 10:41 <@dasunt> LOL: Roger Stone: "To storm my house with greater force than was used to take down bin Laden". 10:42 <@dasunt> Totally would have been hillarious if the FBI used the same amount of force to arrest stone as the military did in the bin Laden raid. 10:42 <@Corydon76> Would have been more hilarious if he attempted to shoot the FBI, as bin Laden did in the raid, and was killed in response. 10:43 <@dasunt> I just want the FBI to use stealth helicopters on the next raid. 10:47 <@Corydon76> I just want the FBI to kill a few of Trump's collaborators and bury them at sea. 10:47 <@dasunt> Remember, it would be less force than the current tactics, according to Stone. 11:40 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rrnbkrsbuzclolxp] has joined #se2600 12:09 <@dasunt> Parliament has 8 weeks left until Brexit. LOL. 12:28 < K`Tetch> yeah... :-( 12:28 < K`Tetch> go on, rub it in 12:46 <@dasunt> Remember, rule of humor: Punch up, not punch down. I shouldn't be mocking people who will be eating rats for survival in a few months. 12:47 <@dasunt> ;) 12:48 <@dasunt> Seriously though (and I've said this before), I'm a little relieved that there's a country that makes election choices just as bad as the US. 12:57 <@dasunt> FFS. 13:07 <@dasunt> It's Friday stupid day, I guess. 13:16 <@dasunt> This is great. 13:20 <@dasunt> Me, about six weeks ago: "I really need more RAM/Disk space, my computer is to the limits" "Boss: No" 13:21 <@dasunt> Me, today: "Oh, I have to edit this document in Visio online? Well, the document is already laggy when I pull it up in the viewer on my computer...." 13:41 <@dasunt> I can't edit it. 13:41 <@dasunt> This is great - I've spent 45 minutes of time on it, and I can't do anything. 14:09 <@dasunt> Okay, 70 minutes later, I'm giving up. 15:21 <@dasunt> Okay, after round two, it is done. 18:36 -!- crashcartpro [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gfjbrqqemtwrpozp] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20:01 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:20 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rrnbkrsbuzclolxp] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20:54 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has joined #se2600 --- Log closed Sat Feb 02 00:00:55 2019