--- Log opened Fri Jan 25 00:00:51 2019 04:43 <@Shadow404> that makes no sense....ssh/irc connection is stable all night long, type one thing in another channel and connection resets 2 mins later. This has happened 3 times now, same exact circumstances...weird 06:25 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 06:28 * aestetix hugs Dolemite 09:31 <@Mirage> Anyone used VeraCrypt? Supposed to be a fork of and replacement for TruCrypt 09:51 <@dasunt> Been pondering legislatures for a bit, and I'm wondering what the flaws are in this idea: Have a lower house like the US House of Representatives or the UK's House of Commons - where people run for office and get elected. The lower house is the only house that can draft legislation. 09:51 <@dasunt> Then, for the upper house, have it selected randomly by sortition. 09:52 <@dasunt> I'm trying to determine if this idea would work or if it would crash and burn. 09:52 -!- crashcartpro [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vgsdarhenymkjvee] has joined #se2600 09:53 <@dasunt> Upper house (sortition house) would have to approve any legislation by the lower house. 09:53 <@dasunt> Pros are obvious - they aren't dependent on campaign donations for (re)election, they more fairly represent the population (congress is skewed towards the rich ATM), etc. 09:54 <@dasunt> Cons are that you selected a bunch of random people to approve/deny legislation. 09:55 <@Mirage> dasunt: i think it's fairly safe to say that congress has always been skewed towards the rich 09:55 <@dasunt> Yep. 09:56 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zhhetnjjvmpixyyn] has joined #se2600 10:01 <@dasunt> Current US congress is 50% millionaires. 10:02 <@dasunt> (Whoops, that's for the last US congress) 10:02 <@dasunt> But close enough. 10:02 <@dasunt> 80% male, 95% college educated. 10:02 <@dasunt> Population it represents is 50% male, 30% college educated, 5% millionaires. 10:03 <@dasunt> LOL, scroll down to the pros and cons graphic: https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/06/why-not-have-a-randomly-selected-congress 10:03 < PigBot> Why Not Have a Randomly Selected Congress? | Current Affairs (at www.currentaffairs.org) http://tinyurl.com/yac67fa3 10:10 <@Dolemite> dasunt: I'm pretty sure that they're all 100% pros at being cons 10:12 <@dasunt> Hmmmm. Wikipedia gives a proposal that the number of legislaturists elected by voting should be proportional to the voter turnout, and the rest of them should be randomly selected. 10:29 < aestetix> dasunt: that's not what represent means 10:29 < aestetix> that's identity politics 10:29 < aestetix> represent means representing the interests 10:29 < aestetix> otherwise the black community would be happy with clarence thomas on the supreme court 10:50 <@dasunt> aestetix: Do you think the current system is good at representing the interests of the population at large? 11:26 < aestetix> back, sorry 11:26 < aestetix> dasunt: no 11:26 < aestetix> dasunt: but I don't fully understand why 11:26 < aestetix> You could blame it on money in politics, but the problem with that is the same issue is happening in the UK as well as European countries 11:27 < aestetix> Germany is having issues, so is France, so is Spain, Italy, etc 11:27 < aestetix> So I think there is some bigger issue going on 11:28 < aestetix> I mean, France has had the yellow vest protests going on for weeks 12:08 <@dasunt> Do you think there's no money in politics in those nations? 12:49 -!- crashcartpro [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vgsdarhenymkjvee] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 13:24 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zhhetnjjvmpixyyn] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 14:04 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-moqmmmndqdvwqfim] has joined #se2600 15:08 -!- PigBot [~PigBot@wilpig.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:18 -!- PigBot [~PigBot@wilpig.org] has joined #se2600 --- Log closed Sat Jan 26 00:00:53 2019