--- Log opened Thu Jan 24 00:00:50 2019 03:06 < aestetix> god this week has sucked 03:06 < aestetix> so many fucking meetings 05:06 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has joined #se2600 05:10 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@47.39.211.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:17 -!- Synx_hm [~Synx_hm@unaffiliated/synx-hm/x-1623004] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 05:18 -!- Synx_hm [~Synx_hm@unaffiliated/synx-hm/x-1623004] has joined #se2600 06:31 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 06:44 * aestetix hugs Dolemite 07:59 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@47.39.211.239] has joined #se2600 08:02 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:11 <@Mirage> LootCrate is cool and all but their marketing is over-the-top. All the emails they send out for deals, discounts, new shit, etc that they innundate you with are annoying as shit. 09:12 <@Mirage> Marketing ppl need to realize that an email a week is effective, an email every day or two...or multiples in one day is noise. 09:13 <@Corydon76> And they'd be far more effective if the emails they sent all arrived when our paychecks arrived. 09:18 < Evilpig_> I generally see one email a week as spam 09:20 <@Corydon76> Depends upon what it's for. I generally look forward to emails from Vistaprint, as I regularly order from them, and every sale helps. 09:20 <@Mirage> Personally I view any email not directly related to some activity I've had with a company as being spam. Invoice, tracking/shipping, reminder that a license/subscription is expiring...fine. Anything else..spam 09:27 < Evilpig_> agreed 09:27 < Evilpig_> I like the ones from logan's for 20-25% off my next visit 09:30 <@Mirage> Speaking of eateries..the closed the two Joe's Crab Shacks nearest to us. Nearest one is now ~40 mile drive 09:34 -!- NotLarry [~NotLarry@c-68-53-121-109.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:38 < Evilpig_> I haven't been to joes in a while. that actually sounds tasty 09:38 < Evilpig_> since ash will be donw in virginia this weekend I should see if notlarry wants to go 09:38 < Evilpig_> I still owe him for dog sitting while we were gone 09:57 -!- NotLarry [~NotLarry@c-68-53-121-109.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 09:57 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o NotLarry] by ChanServ 10:07 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zugolbqzhtchwdbk] has joined #se2600 10:49 <@Mirage> Lol.. Anne is chasing her tail while on the cat tree.. That's a first for her. Normally she just chases her tail on the floor like a normal cat. 11:01 <@Mirage> any of you played with the Windows Subsystem for Linux? 11:05 <@opticron> I have a bit 11:05 <@opticron> nothing serious 11:07 <@opticron> not sure about the experiences of others, but whatever windows terminal is wrapping bash gets stupid when you try to tab-complete things over ssh 12:00 < xray> yes. There are a lot of features that do not work such s nmap scans 13:27 <@dasunt> Why don't you the windows version of nmap? 14:01 <@Shadow404> can someone with management exp explain why someone that works in a NOC position needs to take Kanban/ITIL training? 14:01 <@Shadow404> thats 16 hours of my life ill never get back 14:25 <@dasunt> Employees of your organization needs to be six sigma buzzward compliant. 14:28 <@Mirage> Shadow404: so they they learn that everything is solved by training, escalation, or training about escalation 14:29 <@dasunt> Assume employees are perfectly spherical balls. You don't need to know what they actually do. You just need to know how to manage them. And management is completely the same, regardless of the field. So you need to build procedures and do training and get metrics to measure to prove you are a good management. 14:29 <@dasunt> Er, good manager. 14:30 <@opticron> I like the first one better 14:30 <@dasunt> Therefore, you get metrics (lines of code, # of tickets closed, pounds of hardware installed, etc). You measure that metric. Then you put the employees through training. After training, metrics should increase. That's how you prove your worthiness to upper management. 14:31 -!- crashcartpro [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jdoirlulrkasjitn] has joined #se2600 14:31 <@dasunt> opticron: Don't shy from reality. You know I'm closer to the truth. 14:39 < xray> dasunt: I do use the Windows version of nmap. You asked if anyone had experience with the Linux Subsystem for Windows. I have found that there are some core linux functions that do not work. The missing functions impact many linux programs such as nmap. If you decide to use LSW in place of Linux you may find things don't work the way you would expe 14:39 < xray> ct. 14:39 <@Corydon76> dasunt: too humanizing. You're supposed to call them 'resources', 'workers', or just 'work units'. 14:40 <@Corydon76> If you call them 'employees', you demonstrate knowledge that they have lives outside of work, which means you're not management material 15:12 <@Shadow404> haha, all of which you said is too true 15:13 <@Shadow404> if i was involved in sdlc, id get something out if that training 15:14 <@Shadow404> but i will probably never touch a lifecycle board aside from maybe a related ancillary ticket 15:35 <@dasunt> xray: Interesting. 15:36 <@dasunt> Little did Shaddow404 know that his boss planned to require Kanban for all projects, no matter how small 17:29 -!- crashcartpro [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jdoirlulrkasjitn] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:07 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@47.39.211.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:40 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has joined #se2600 18:42 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@47.39.211.239] has joined #se2600 18:45 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:47 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@47.39.211.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:56 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has joined #se2600 19:27 <@Shadow404> dasunt: eek, how true....what a fucking waste of time for a break/fix role 19:27 <@Shadow404> spend more time documenting and notating, then you do actually doing the troubleshooting 19:43 <@_NSAKEY> Shadow404: If you ever figure out why the hell a NOC monkey has to go through that, I'd love to know. 19:45 <@_NSAKEY> At my last job, the standards for the NOC slipped from "baby-level linux admin" to "Are you able to keep from soiling yourself in the office?" 19:45 <@Shadow404> lawl 19:45 <@Shadow404> sounds like a previous noc i worked for that ran only by a strict runbook 19:45 <@Shadow404> and no deviation 19:46 <@Shadow404> that didnt last long for me... 19:46 <@Dagmar> heh 19:46 <@_NSAKEY> We didn't have any hard and fast rules, except don't piss off the on-calls with stupid shit. 19:46 <@_NSAKEY> The other night shift NOC monkey got challenged to a fist fight in the parking lot because he refused to stop calling the DBA over idiotic shit in the middle of the night, no matter how many times he was given instruction on when to/not to call. 19:47 <@_NSAKEY> The guy's reasoning was that the guidelines didn't come from anyone in our immediate management chain, so he'd happily ignore it and give himself something to do by bugging the on-calls. 19:47 <@Dagmar> No one gave out his home phone number? 19:48 <@_NSAKEY> But honestly, it became glaringly obvious that we were just there to check a box on PCI compliance, and nothing else. That became obvious when they hired a new team lead who wasn't good enough to clean the bathrooms for us. 19:48 <@_NSAKEY> Dagmar: No, we all had company-issued phones. 19:49 <@_NSAKEY> Oddly enough, after the DBA wanted to step outside and settle his differences on procedure with the other night shift NOC guy... The volume of useless tickets and calls took a nosedive. 19:51 <@_NSAKEY> It was one of those situations where there were no good guys, and no matter what, the rest of us were going to be entertained. 20:07 <@Dagmar> Someone didn't know how to complain to HR I guess 20:07 <@Dagmar> Since when 20:08 <@Dagmar> @#$@$ 20:19 <@_NSAKEY> Oh, that's the best part. That whole thing got squashed somehow. 20:20 <@_NSAKEY> The guy who started that place (He's now deceased) refused to have an HR department for years, there or at his previous companies, citing "plausible deniability." They have one now, but it's so toothless that they might as well not exist. 20:25 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zugolbqzhtchwdbk] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 22:57 -!- jilt___ [jilt@failure.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] --- Log closed Fri Jan 25 00:00:51 2019