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00:07 < K`Tetch_> there's two milibands, both were high in the labour party, but david got upset that ed made leader, and quit politics
00:18 < K`Tetch_> https://www.npr.org/2019/01/15/685672038/judge-throws-out-alabama-law-that-protects-confederate-monuments - woohoo
00:18 < PigBot> Birmingham, Ala Wins Lawsuit Over Its Covering Of A Confederate Monument : NPR (at www.npr.org) http://tinyurl.com/yal96edo
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06:13 <@Dagmar> Just remember, tearing down historical monuments because of political shifts is _precisely_ one of the things the Nazis did
06:17 < oddball> or religious zealots
06:17 < aestetix> yep
06:18 < aestetix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judensau
06:18 < PigBot> Judensau - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/yamhd3p7
06:18 < aestetix> there has been a debate to remove this for hundreds of years
06:18 < aestetix> (I have seen it in person)
06:18 < aestetix> Then again germans don't play the "let's take stuff down so we can forget about bad things" game
06:19 < aestetix> also
06:19 < aestetix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser_Wilhelm_Memorial_Church
06:19 < PigBot> Kaiser Wilhelm Memorial Church - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/hsrz5fp
06:59 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:35 <@Shadow404> omg, this hacker(s) get elite status for this hack: https://twitter.com/mcspocky/status/1085523566383255552
07:35 < PigBot> McSpocky™ 👽🖖 🌀 on Twitter: "#RT @PaulLeeTicks BREAKING: Hackers, hack into Walt Disney's Hall of Presidents attraction and reprogram some of the Presidents to make obscene gestures directed toward the Donald Trump animatronic. (Check out Abe ;)) https://t.co/Na7M4rsCza" (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/yb84t8jz
07:35 <@Shadow404> freaking awesome
07:35 <@Shadow404> that or an inside job
07:41 <@Shadow404> aestetix: i have to agree with that mentality, how are we supposed to learn from mistakes if we just remove them from sight
07:41 <@Shadow404> i think its how we ended up with trump in the first place, among many other reasons as well
07:43 <@Dolemite> It's photoshop, not a hack
07:43 <@Dolemite> but the sentiment is worthy
07:44 <@Dolemite> I think it's time for some hot chocolate
08:10 < aestetix> is there really a trump animatronic
08:10 < aestetix> because if so that's fucking hilarious
08:11 < aestetix> Shadow404: the Judensau I saw in Wittenberg, jewish groups have been trying to get removed for hundreds of years
08:11 < aestetix> And the Germans compromised by adding a new art piece right next to it condemning it
08:16 <@Shadow404> that works
08:16 <@Shadow404> better than completely removing it
08:40 < aestetix> https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/425525-gillibrand-announces-exploratory-committee-to-run-for-president-on-colbert
08:40 < PigBot> Gillibrand announces exploratory committee to run for president on Colbert | TheHill (at thehill.com) http://tinyurl.com/yayovnnh
08:40 < aestetix> The circus gets bigger
08:42 <@Corydon76> On the Birmingham statue, one of the problems I heard is that the state law for its preservation was essentially an unfunded mandate, requiring the city to spend money on its upkeep, and that's an area where I think the state law ought to fail.
08:43 <@Corydon76> If the state wants a monument maintained, then the state should put up the money to purchase the property and maintain it.
08:46 <@Corydon76> And yes, I'm perfectly well aware that Alabama state government is perpetually underfunded, so that would put an additional burden on the state.  But if it's important enough for the state to mandate its preservation, then it ought to be important enough for the state to shoulder an increased tax burden to maintain it.
08:46 <@Corydon76> Not just pass it off as an unfunded mandate to a locality.
08:51 <@Dolemite> Corydon76: I have a question that you might remember an answer to from way back when.
08:52 <@Dolemite> In the dark ages/olden days when Sendmail/procmail were king...   you could set up mail forwarding through your ~/.forward file in such a way that it didn't modify the sender envelope
08:52 <@Dolemite> Was that the default behavior for really old versions, or did you have to do something special for that?
08:53 <@Corydon76> I have no idea.  I don't think I used procmail for anything other than filtering into mbox folders
09:08 <@Dolemite> It's a pain in the ass
09:08 <@Dolemite> Someone from UMass Amherst is subscribed to a mailing list hosted here
09:09 <@Dolemite> They set up their forward the old skool way, which doesn't modify the sender envelope
09:09 <@Dolemite> DMARC rules are causing all email from the list (and anybody here) to get rejected by GMail because it looks like UMass is trying to forge email from *.gov
09:09 <@Dolemite> It's not our problem, but man, these users don't like that answer
09:10 <@Dolemite> Trying to at least point them in the direction of what to change
09:10 <@Corydon76> I'd suggest changing it in /etc/aliases, to forward to the right place
09:11 <@Corydon76> I *think* that would work.
09:12 <@Dolemite> It's likely following a path of ORNLMMailman->ORNLGateway->UMassMTA->PersonalServer->Bounce->UMassMTA->Gmail->FuckOffAndDie
09:14 <@Dolemite> https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/16/kremlin-trump-russian-agent-stupid-1103045
09:14 < PigBot> Kremlin says its 'stupid' to think that Trump could be a Russian agent - POLITICO (at www.politico.com) http://tinyurl.com/yadabnxu
09:14 <@brimstone> lol
09:14 <@Dolemite> Actually, that could be rewritten as...    Kremlin says Trump is 'too stupid' to be a Russian agent
09:14 <@brimstone> he's not an agent, just a pwn
09:14 <@brimstone> *pawn
09:14 <@brimstone> what's the current pool on russia being behind trump's presidency and brexit?
09:15 <@Dolemite> what's the current pool on his base ever accepting any level of evidence that it's the case?
09:38 <@Corydon76> Same as the pool of his base ever accepting that Obama's birth certificate is legitimate.
09:43 <@opticron> buh buh buh it's not the right kind!
09:43 <@opticron> doesn't count!
09:49 <@Dolemite> Well, all I can say is that Trump definitely delivered on his promise to run the country like he ran his businesses
09:50 <@Dolemite> Now we're at the stage where he fucks over people that work for him by not paying them
09:50 <@Dolemite> Even if the actual Federal workers are getting back pay, there's a crapload more that are subcontractors that won't get paid
09:51 <@Dolemite> The news keeps talking about the 800k workers that are furloughed...   there are easily that many that are subs that are in worse shape, because they work as contract-to-hire or permanently as a subcontractor
09:51 <@Dolemite> meeting time
10:12 <@Corydon76> Dolemite: yeah, but that number isn't easily reportable
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12:20 <@Dolemite> Oh, Nancy.   Well played.
12:20 <@Dolemite> https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/16/politics/nancy-pelosi-state-of-the-union-donald-trump/index.html
12:20 < PigBot> Nancy Pelosi just pulled a major power move on Donald Trump's State of the Union - CNNPolitics (at www.cnn.com) http://tinyurl.com/y8gz9ghd
12:30 < aestetix> I would not mind if the state of the union event ended
12:34 <@Dolemite> Same here.   Messes up mah shows.
12:35 < aestetix> Well it's two hours of "president says something, applause for two minutes..." over and over again
12:36 < aestetix> If the state of the union were replaced with a one page report issued from the white house, that would be a massive improvement
12:36 <@Dolemite> * with annotations
12:36 <@Dolemite> You know
12:36 <@Dolemite> To try to back up some of the claims
12:36 <@Dolemite> Oh, wait.   That would never work.
12:37 < aestetix> Maybe Trump can entise Pelosi to reconsider by offering the house democrats free Big Macs
12:38 < aestetix> entice*
12:38 <@Dolemite> QP w/Cheese.   Big Mac is still made from frozen beef, after all.   QP is from fresh beef.
13:05 <@Shadow404> FFS, hes a fucking rich douche, and all he could afford from his "own pocket" was fast food for clemson?
13:05 <@Shadow404> ffs
13:05 <@Shadow404> and im not even a college sports fan of any kind
13:09 <@Dolemite> well his base keeps pointing out that "he paid for it from his own pocket!" while really, it's a problem of his own making
13:10 <@Dolemite> But think of all the money we're saving - he hasn't been golfing since before the shutdown.   This is the longest he's gone without golfing since he was elected.
13:22 <@Shadow404> hell, one golf trip would of bought the entire team prime t-bone steaks and all the trimming and alcoholic drinks they could consume like 10x times over or more easily
15:21 <@dasunt> This would work as a channel, I think:  https://www.facebook.com/TheOnion/posts/10157243873859497?comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22O%22%7D
15:21 < PigBot> The Onion - "For an extra $8.99 per month, you’ll have an... | Facebook (at www.facebook.com) http://tinyurl.com/yb6n49qz
15:22 <@dasunt> The comments are kind of hillarious.
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23:48 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUsvTNmum8Y
23:48 < PigBot> RAW VIDEO: Woman speaks from jail about sending 65,000 text messages to PV man (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/y7jba7qj
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