--- Log opened Tue Jan 15 00:00:36 2019 06:30 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 07:22 < aestetix> me hugs Dolemite 07:32 < Evilpig_> haha Mirage : https://abc13.com/woman-drinking-wine-from-pringles-can-banned-from-walmart/5074403/ 07:32 < PigBot> Woman drinking wine from Pringles can banned from Walmart in Wichita Falls, Texas | abc13.com (at abc13.com) http://tinyurl.com/yck9umdn 07:38 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-amkvozmuqzgjctvb] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 08:12 <@Corydon76> aestetix: https://www.queerty.com/germans-think-trumps-gay-ambassador-ignorant-thin-skinned-far-right-tool-20190114 08:12 < PigBot> Germans think Trump’s gay ambassador is an ignorant, thin-skinned, far-right tool / Queerty (at www.queerty.com) http://tinyurl.com/ycylj7s9 10:19 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uxygbcblshzlmufy] has joined #se2600 10:22 -!- crashcartpro [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bpttgofihdaymtjs] has joined #se2600 10:46 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has joined #se2600 10:48 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@47.39.211.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:49 <@dasunt> So May is going to lose the vote, right? 10:56 <@Corydon76> That's what I heard. The only question is by how much. 10:57 <@Corydon76> 20-30 or 50+. 10:57 <@dasunt> What's the odds being betted on for a no-deal brexit? 11:01 <@Corydon76> It's stated as "7/2". Not sure of the notation. 11:01 <@dasunt> I think that's 7 out of 9 times. 11:01 <@dasunt> Wait, I screwed up. 11:02 <@dasunt> 7/2 = 2 / (7+2). So about 20%. 11:02 <@dasunt> Looking at the odds tables, I wonder what the overhead is for betting. Because it looks like there's an opportunity for arbitrage. 11:06 <@Corydon76> I'm sure there is. But you'd probably also have to have money in the float. 11:08 <@Corydon76> What does "3" mean in the context of odds? 11:08 <@dasunt> 3 to what? 11:08 <@dasunt> 3/`1? 11:09 <@Corydon76> Good question. It just says "3". 11:09 <@Corydon76> That's the odds for a 2019 referendum, with the UK choosing to remain. 11:09 <@dasunt> There was something on the betting page I found saying decimial odds. Maybe 3 / 1? 11:10 <@Corydon76> Which means what, 75%? 11:10 <@dasunt> Or 25%? 11:10 <@dasunt> That seems low. 11:10 <@Corydon76> Positive first, right? 11:11 <@dasunt> Ah, okay. decimal odds include the returned stake. Fractional odds do not. 11:12 <@dasunt> So 2/1 odds. 11:12 <@dasunt> Er, 3 = 2 / 1 odds 11:13 <@Corydon76> So basically 3= 33% chance of the prediction being true. 11:13 <@Corydon76> If you win, you get a 3:1 payout 11:14 <@dasunt> It still seems low to me, but I guess it depends on who is making bets. 11:14 <@Corydon76> https://sportsbetting.net.in/how-to-read-betting-odds/ 11:14 < PigBot> How to Read Betting Odds - Fractional, Decimal and American Odds (at sportsbetting.net.in) http://tinyurl.com/y8n4hfxu 11:15 <@Corydon76> 40% chance of a referendum before the end of 2019 11:15 <@Corydon76> That would be "6/4" 11:16 <@Corydon76> But a 66% chance of no referendum. 11:17 <@Corydon76> And to those reading later and realizing that doesn't add up to 100%, yes, that's where the bookies make their profit 11:37 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@47.39.211.239] has joined #se2600 11:41 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:42 <@dasunt> I think I just pissed someone off by pointing out that Trump serving hamburgers didn't hurt him with his base. 11:44 < aestetix> haha 11:44 <@dasunt> Leftists: LOL, Trump is such an idiot for serving McDonald's to celebrities. 11:46 <@dasunt> Trumpers: Due to the Dems shutting down government, Trump paid for, out of his own pocket, Real American(tm) food. Now the libtards are dissing him for not serving cavier and foie de gras and a bunch of other fancy French foods! 11:47 < aestetix> If he has $10 billion like he claims, "out of his own pocket" should get a lot more than McDonalds 11:47 <@dasunt> That's fancy food no real American has ever tasted. Trump's a Real American(tm), he eats regular people food. 11:48 < aestetix> You mean like how he eats pizza with a knife and fork? 11:48 <@dasunt> Well, he's a little fancy. But he's still in touch with his trailer-park roots. :p 11:49 <@Corydon76> You can, as long as it's Chicago deep dish. But New York style pizza? No way. 11:49 <@dasunt> To be serious for a moment, our only good Chicago deep dish pizza switched to being a conventional but gluten free pizza place. :( 11:49 <@Corydon76> The only thing that surprises me with respect to his passion for fast food is that he hasn't dropped dead of a heart attack yet. 11:51 < aestetix> damn 11:52 < aestetix> I was gonna link to a brilliant Jon Stewart video mocking Trump over pizza but I can't find it 11:52 < aestetix> youtube's discovery really, really sucks 11:52 <@Corydon76> If it was on the Daily Show, it's probably only on cc.com 11:53 < aestetix> ahhh maybe that's the issue 11:53 <@Corydon76> The parent company doesn't like their show to be reposted to Youtube 11:53 < aestetix> and they don't seem to even have old daily show episodes 11:54 <@Corydon76> Might have them for cable TV subscribers. A lot of the cable channels do that for revenue 12:03 <@Corydon76> http://www.cc.com/video-clips/0ect4f/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-me-lover-s-pizza-with-crazy-broad 12:03 < PigBot> Me Lover's Pizza with Crazy Broad - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart (Video Clip) | Comedy Central (at www.cc.com) http://tinyurl.com/ns2gs8w 12:03 <@Corydon76> That's the clip you're looking for 12:54 <@opticron> dasunt, that sucks 12:54 <@opticron> deep dish almost doesn't exist in the deep south 12:58 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uxygbcblshzlmufy] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 13:29 <@dasunt> opticron: Finally, someone with sympathy! 13:31 <@opticron> my wife is ok with other pizza, but CRAVES deep dish 13:32 <@opticron> and there's nothing for her in Hunstville 13:32 <@rhia> well, there's pizza, then there's sauce and toppings on a cracker 13:32 * rhia another deep dish pizza aficionado 13:33 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65Nt-ByDGEM 13:33 < PigBot> LIVE – final day of Commons debate on the Brexit deal ahead of the vote on the EU Withdrawal Bill (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/yabfs5n5 13:47 <@dasunt> 23-? 13:47 <@dasunt> Er, 230? 13:48 <@dasunt> 202 in favor for the EU deal. 432 against. 13:49 <@dasunt> Corydon76: You know how you were speculating 20-30 versus 50+? 13:49 <@dasunt> Lost by 230. 13:49 <@Corydon76> ROFL 13:50 <@Corydon76> That's gotta sting. 13:53 <@dasunt> Oh good, now they are talking about a no confidence vote. 13:54 <@dasunt> The UK is making the current US administration look stable and forward-thinking. 14:00 <@dasunt> I still don't get why any sane person would willingly seek to be in control of the UK at this point. 14:01 <@Corydon76> Because a sane person might try to scuttle Brexit and go back to life per normal 14:01 <@dasunt> Is that the game plan? 14:02 <@Corydon76> I would hope so, given that they can't get a better deal with the EU. 14:03 <@Corydon76> Besides, with the Syrian crisis winding down, it's likely a good number of refugees will go home, and the crisis that sparked Brexit in the first place is now over. 14:04 <@Corydon76> But it does suggest a new foreign policy: when there's another humanitarian/refugee crisis that suggests people may flee into Europe, it is in Europe's best interests to quell the crisis with its own troops 14:05 <@dasunt> IDK. Stopping Brexit right now may make labor vulnerable to cries of "it would have been better if we left" for the next decade or so. 14:06 <@Corydon76> And I'm including Britain in that. If Britain responded to ISIS with a full-on assault in the Middle East, they probably could have established their own refugee camps right there, beat back ISIS, saved a number of World Heritage sites, and avoided a refugee crisis at home 14:07 <@Corydon76> There will always be people who secondguess the government 14:08 <@Corydon76> The Scots have been saying how they wished they would have left the UK, so they could have stayed with the EU and avoided Brexit entirely 14:08 <@Corydon76> Because the argument from the UK government was all these benefits that Scotland would have gotten courtesy of the EU integration 14:09 <@Corydon76> And dissolving the UK would solve a good amount of Brexit anyway, as Northern Ireland could decide on its own what to do, instead of being stuck in limbo. 14:11 <@Corydon76> The treaty establishing an open border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland was negotiated specifically for peace. 14:12 <@Corydon76> And on the whole, it's better for everybody in the UK, because now the land masses that currently comprise the UK would have 3 votes in the EU Parliament, instead of just 1. 14:12 <@Corydon76> And if England decided to leave the EU, so be it. 14:13 <@Corydon76> Scotland and Northern Ireland could both have their own independent votes in the EU. 14:13 <@Corydon76> But I really doubt England has the political will to leave, because the promises made about Brexit haven't come to fruition 14:21 <@dasunt> Don't ever overestimate a nation's ability to shoot itself in the foot. 14:21 <@Corydon76> You mean underestimate? 14:22 <@dasunt> er, yep. 14:22 <@dasunt> Right now, there were several grounds to reject May's deal - remainers and leavers could both find reasons to hate it. 14:23 <@dasunt> Coming up with a solution is going to be harder. May's deal was a shit sandwich, but it was a shit sandwich that was asked for. 14:23 <@Corydon76> There are only 2 options at this point: leave without a deal, or don't leave. 14:24 <@Corydon76> The EU has made it clear that that was their last deal. 14:24 <@Corydon76> So no more negotiations. Shit, or get off the pot. 14:26 <@dasunt> I'm torn between believing the UK government will fuck this up and they'll fall into a no deal situation by default, and business interests communicating very clearly that no deal means the current crop of politicians shouldn't be counting on them in the next election for funding. 14:27 <@Corydon76> I think the business interests should go one step further. If you're a Brexiteer, you no longer have a job. 14:28 <@Corydon76> Because you are effectively attempting to hurt the business. 14:29 <@Corydon76> 90 days later, hold another referendum, and I think the Brits will vote to stay in the EU. 14:30 < K`Tetch_> oh we will 14:30 < K`Tetch_> (even though i now can not vote) 14:30 < K`Tetch_> ((as feb 2018 was 15 years since i was uk resident, so I'm not eligible to vote any more) 14:32 < K`Tetch_> a bunch oft he pro-berxit votes weren't even for brexit, it was the old 'protest vote', the contraryness vote that somehow people thing will translate into a message of 'we didn't approve of this, but we also just don't like so, so take this as a don't like you vote' 14:35 <@Corydon76> K`Tetch_: I don't understand that. If you don't like it, then the protest ought to be NOT voting 14:35 <@Corydon76> Not, "Hey, let's commit a bunch of tax dollars to an ill-conceived idea that ultimately won't work." 14:36 < K`Tetch_> voting int he uk sin't like in the US, it's hyper-local. I could walk to 5 different polling stations from my family home, within 10 minutes 14:36 <@Corydon76> But, then, again, the same thing happened in the US, and we got Trump 14:37 <@Corydon76> "I'm going to stick my finger in the eye of government by voting for Trump." No, you stuck your finger in your own eye, and you're too blind to see it. 14:37 < K`Tetch_> and everyone felt that ermain would win, so wanted to do a little 'protest' 14:38 < K`Tetch_> and its not like its a massive ordeal, you walk in, give your name, walk to a booth, mark it, drop it, walk out 14:38 <@Corydon76> I hope voters in both the UK and the US have learned that lesson for a generation, if not longer 14:39 <@Corydon76> Trying to fuck up the government will ultimately prove costly to your own interests 14:39 < K`Tetch_> yeah... 15:01 <@Corydon76> On a tech related subject, it appears AD doesn't like wildcards in DNS. 15:02 <@Corydon76> We had to enable AD, because it's impossible to run Server 2016 without it. Previously, we were running Server 2012. 15:19 <@dasunt> I forgot who I voted for in 2016, but I'm in Minnesota, so it's as blue as can be. 15:19 <@dasunt> At least my area. 15:56 < K`Tetch_> franken? 15:56 < K`Tetch_> had a friend there, worked on the 08 franken campiagn, just got elected to a local (like 10 blocks) position in DC 16:00 < K`Tetch_> back on brexit, "If mr and mrs Miliband had spent a few hours teaching him to fucking chew then none of this would be happening" 16:37 <@rhia> the Miliband who wants a people's vote? 16:48 < Evilpig_> crazy people make me giddy 16:49 < Evilpig_> I had a lady refer to me today as "wilbur" with the quotes 16:49 < Evilpig_> and I was also told that when people move websites from one provider to another they don't move the site, they build a brand new one 16:50 < Evilpig_> that is just industry best practice, you don't move a site from one place to another. that's stealing. 17:28 < K`Tetch_> rhia - no, one of the things that lost the 2015 general election is a picture of then labour leader ed miliband eating a bacon sandwich 17:29 < K`Tetch_> https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ed-miliband-bacon-sandwich_n_5bbe27b0e4b01470d0580898 17:29 < PigBot> How A Bacon Sandwich Derailed Ed Miliband's UK Political Career | HuffPost Life (at www.huffpost.com) http://tinyurl.com/ycfcjplp 18:31 <@rhia> ah, so Ed, not David 21:19 -!- crashcartpro [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bpttgofihdaymtjs] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 22:12 -!- crashcartpro [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xcnmfuqvqoxlziwj] has joined #se2600 --- Log closed Wed Jan 16 00:00:38 2019