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00:18 <@Dagmar> Now they just do it with mp3 players
00:18 <@Dagmar> Even the Sansa Clip pays like $1.13 per unit to the MPAA under the _presumption_ that everyone pirates
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06:03 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0, h0, h0ez!
06:07  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
06:44 <@Dolemite> Finally watched the last episode of this season's Doctor Who.   I'd say my reaction to this season was, "meh."
06:45 < aestetix> you sexist pig
06:46 <@Dolemite> It's hard to tell if it was the scripts or the actress that were uninspiring
06:46 < aestetix> well
06:46 < aestetix> have you seen the man in the high castle?
06:46 < aestetix> first season was fantastic, second season was horrible.
06:47 < aestetix> same actors, different writers
06:47 <@Dolemite> I have seen season 1.
06:47 < aestetix> don't watch season 2
06:47 < aestetix> it's horriblw
06:47 <@Dolemite> I started.   Didn't make it through.
06:47 <@Dolemite> So yeah, similar reaction.
06:47 < aestetix> how far did you get
06:47 < aestetix> I think I gave up around episode 4
06:47 <@Dolemite> I don't think I made it through s02e01.
06:48 <@Dolemite> Now in all fairness, I didn't like the first season with Capaldi as doctor
06:48 <@Dolemite> Actually, I didn't like most of Capaldi's time as Doctor
07:05 <@Dagmar> He was better than Paddington Bear
07:11 <@Dolemite> Which one was Paddington Bear?
07:32 <@opticron> capaldi was in the paddington bear movie as a traffic cop
07:32 <@Dolemite> ah
07:48 <@Dagmar> ..and the current doctor dresses like Paddington Bear.
07:48 <@Dagmar> Good luck unseeing it
07:56 <@Dolemite> More like Mork from Ork
08:11 <@Mirage> I saw an article claiming that she's confirmed for another season.  Same article also claimed that viewing is higher that it's been in years...though did mention that some viewers are put off by the fact that the episodes were "stand alone" and that it was lacking the typical season-long plotlines that Moffet would normally have to tie everything together
08:12 <@Dolemite> Yeah, that's why I'm not sure if it's Chibnall as showrunner that I'm not enjoying, or Whitaker as lead that I'm not enjoying.
08:13 <@Mirage> Supposedly, per that article, because of the Moffet plots, if someone missed an episode then they would just stop watching the rest of the season because they'd be lost from then on.
08:14 <@Mirage> Personally I think the author of that article was full of shit and operating on journalism posted by bloggers who live in their mom's basement and have no clue about anything
08:28 <@dasunt> Isn't that the norm for journalism these days?
08:29 <@dasunt> <some obscure blog>  OMG I WILL NEVER TAKE A DOCTOR WITH A VAYJAY!
08:29 <@dasunt> <"journalist">  Dr. Who fans are sexist pigs who hate women.
08:31 <@dasunt> <Dr. Who fans> ???  What are you talking about?
08:31 <@Dolemite> Mirage: What kind of filesystem(s) do you have running on your Drobo?
08:32 <@dasunt> What annoys me with that "journalism" is that it makes it seem that the nutjobs are the norm, giving them legitimacy.
08:34 <@Mirage> Dolemite: none at the moment.  Wife decided it's too loud.  I started swapping all the fans for quieter ones per some forum posts, but haven't finished yet...got distracted
08:34 <@Dolemite> Ok, what *were* you running on it?
08:35 <@Dolemite> My read speeds have come to a crawl, and from what I've been able to find on the intarwebs, it's because it doesn't support ext4 and btrfs filesystems
08:35 <@Dolemite> So was wondering if you'd experienced anything similar
08:36 <@Dolemite> I just added another 4TB drive to the array, so I've got room to migrate a filesystem over and see if that improves performance
08:36 <@Dolemite> If so, I can move the rest
08:36 <@Mirage> I had carved out a couple LUNs for esxi and copied the VMs I had running from FreeNAS over to see the performance difference
08:36 <@Mirage> Didn't get to do much before the bitching started
08:37 <@Dolemite> Ah, gotcha
08:37 <@Dolemite> Well get those fans swapped out.
08:37 <@Mirage> Hell it's cool enough right now I might just set it up out in the garage and run a couple drops through the attic for it
08:37 <@Dolemite> There you go
08:39 <@Dolemite> But yeah, dashboard shows all my volumes as unknown filesystem type
08:40 <@Mirage> Maybe I should just get a "normal" Drobo instead of this enterprise one
08:40 <@dasunt> That reminds me, I still mean to get a backup NAS device put in my garage one day, but it would have to sync over wifi.  :(
08:40 <@Mirage> I still say that I couldn't pass up getting at 1200i with enterprise disks included for $400
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08:45 <@Dolemite> Mirage: Absolutely.   With your disks included, yours rivals my deal of $175 for a b800i with no disks.
08:50 <@Mirage> 12x Seagate Constellation ES 2T drives.  Going rate on Amazon is $60 each...so yeah, hell of a deal
08:51 <@Dolemite> I pulled the one 500GB disk out of my array and added a 4 TB Hitachi, so now I've got 3 of those screamers in there, along with a coupld of 3 TB WD red drives.   There's no excuse for it being slow, and only on the reads.
08:51 <@Dolemite> Other than the proprietary Drobo filesystem not knowing how to see into the client filesystem
08:54 <@dasunt> 2T for $60?  Damn, haven't bought hard drives in awhile.
08:54 <@Dolemite> I bought a 4TB drive for $90 last week
08:55 <@Dolemite> The aforementioned HGST drive
08:55 <@Dolemite> New, not refurb
08:55 <@Mirage> dasunt: Enterprise 2T SAS... not a desktop sata
08:56 < xray> Seagate recently announced a 16TB hard drive
08:56 <@Dolemite> My R610 in the basement supports SAS, but I never bought any - just went with SATA.   I think about all those SAS drives we degaussed and destroyed at VU.
08:56  * Dolemite has the sads
08:57 <@opticron> there were 10T drives for sale at best buy for $180 during the black friday stuff. had to shuck 'em, but they were WD NAS drives
08:58 <@Dolemite> I thought they were 8 TB
08:58 <@Dolemite> Either way, I think the drobo officially caps at 6TB drives
08:58 <@Dolemite> At least my particular model.   Need to see if the firmware update I applied a few months ago bumped that up.
08:59 < Evilpig_> "officially"
08:59 < Evilpig_> there shouldn't have been any firmware issues after 6TB
08:59 <@Dolemite> Yes, and I'm too cheap/poor/supporting_a_family to test the theory with a $180 10TB drive.
08:59 < Evilpig_> 2TB was the last byte boundary, iirc
09:00 <@Dolemite> The b800i is officially EOL, so it's not like they're going to update their marketing slicks
09:00 <@Dolemite> I was surprised that they actually issued a firmware update after EOL
09:01 < Evilpig_> I'm down to 5TB free again. :-/
09:04 <@Dolemite> That's what you get for letting everybody add TV series to your Plex system and then never pruning.
09:05 <@dasunt> LOL.
09:05 <@Mirage> no, that's what he gets for grabbing the "MOG how fucking big is this file" version of everything
09:05 <@Dolemite> That, too
09:06 <@Dolemite> Need to make a meme for pig
09:06 <@Dolemite> "Downloads Full 4K video"
09:06 <@Mirage> I reencode anything i get from Pig...and my storage thanks me for it
09:06 <@Dolemite> "Watches on phone"
09:07 < Evilpig_> but i have 4k tvs in the house that I watch shit on 
09:07 <@Dolemite> yeah, and I'm sure "90 Day Fiancee" is so much better rendered with such realism.   </snark>
09:08 < Evilpig_> I wish I could get that in higher res
09:08 <@Dolemite> ROFL
09:08 < Evilpig_> that show is amazing!
09:08 <@Dolemite> Is that show even still a thing?
09:08 < Evilpig_> yes!!
09:08 <@Dolemite> Lawd hep me
09:09 < Evilpig_> the current season has this tech dude that still lives with his mommy, and they share a car that doesn't have working A/C and they live in Vegas.
09:09 <@Dolemite> Ok, isn't that scenario what you have IRC for?
09:09 <@Dolemite> You could just go straight to the source
09:10 < Evilpig_> seeing it with moving pictures is more entertaining
09:10 <@Corydon76> I've been watching "Happy!" on Netflix
09:10 <@Dolemite> Corydon76: And are you?
09:11 <@Corydon76> Lovely that it incorporates a reality TV subplot
09:11 <@Corydon76> Dolemite: are you familiar with it?
09:11 <@Dolemite> No
09:11 <@Corydon76> It's very, very dark.
09:11 < Evilpig_> that shwo is popular enough that even one of my favorite comedians bags on it.  https://www.instagram.com/p/BrMY1vIhkWq/
09:11 < PigBot>  @jimnorton on Instagram: “SITTING”  (at www.instagram.com) http://tinyurl.com/yddofdxd
09:11 < Evilpig_> https://www.instagram.com/p/BrRUxVqBsZ-/
09:11 < PigBot>  @jimnorton on Instagram: “More comfortable sitting”  (at www.instagram.com)
09:12 < Evilpig_> https://www.instagram.com/p/BrMI5UmhkUY/
09:12 < PigBot>  @jimnorton on Instagram: “ARGUMENT”  (at www.instagram.com) http://tinyurl.com/y7fxp86u
09:13 <@Corydon76> But we do get to see one of my favorite actors, Chris Meloni, as a cop, again
09:13 <@Mirage> Yeah, it was amusing.  I watched them the first time they were released as "new" on netflix.
09:14 <@Mirage> It annoys me when they have shit listed as "new" that obviously isn't...as in all the episodes available already showed that I'd watched them.
09:14 <@Mirage> They've done the same thing with the Marvel titles as wekk
09:15 <@Mirage> er, well
09:18 <@Dolemite> Well good news, the new season of Fuller House is on Netflix as of today.
09:18 <@Dolemite> Good news for my daughter, at least.   That's one of her binge watch shows.
09:19 < Evilpig_> yeah I was seeing those emails this morning along with traveler and voltron
09:20 <@Mirage> Travelers season 3 released today also
09:33 <@dasunt> Anyone roll over a 403(b) balance before to an IRA?
09:43 <@Corydon76> dasunt: Yes.
09:43 <@Corydon76> Just make sure that the IRA is set up as a traditional, unless you want to pay taxes and convert it to a Roth
09:44 <@Corydon76> If you think your income during retirement is going to be higher than it was during employment, enough to put you in a higher tax bracket, then it's worth it to convert to a Roth.
09:45 <@Corydon76> But if you think it's going to be lower, then you're probably better off keeping it traditional.
09:47 <@Corydon76> I have both, as a hedge.  If I need extra income during retirement, I can withdraw from the Roth tax-free.
09:48 <@Dolemite> I've got a 403b, 401k, and old fashioned pension waiting for me.   Then there's the joke of what might still be left of Social Security.
09:50 <@Corydon76> All the more reason to shore up the SS Trust Fund now.
09:50 <@Corydon76> Like uncapping collection.
09:51 <@Corydon76> Right now, you only owe SS taxes on the first $130k or so of income.  Uncap that, and the SS Trust Fund is solvent for the foreseeable future
09:51 <@dasunt> Interesting, that's why I want a Roth.
09:51 <@dasunt> Finally getting to the point where I'm taking retirement planning seriously.  Wish I did it 15 years ago.
09:52 <@Corydon76> I do believe that you have to convert from a 403b to a traditional IRA, then if you want to convert to a Roth, you have to do that in a later tax year.
09:53 <@Corydon76> I wish I had enough income 15 years ago to consider retirement savings
09:53 <@Corydon76> Right now, I'm only putting in half as much as I should for retirement
09:54 <@dasunt> This will probably be a 403(b) -> 401k (Traditional) conversion.  But I need to open a separate Roth this year.
09:54 <@Corydon76> It just means I'll need to put off retirement until I'm 70.
09:54 <@Corydon76> Do you have a 401k at your current company?
09:55 <@dasunt> Yep.  Supposedly on track for 67 retirement age.  But I've been throwing more money at it as I go along.
09:55 <@Corydon76> The rules are that if your company has a 401k program, you can't contribute to an IRA at all.
09:55 <@Corydon76> So the only thing you can do is a conversion
09:56 <@dasunt> That's wrong.
09:56 <@Corydon76> Is it?  That's what I've read in the IRS rules
09:56 <@dasunt> https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/07/401(k)_ira.asp
09:56 < PigBot> 401(k) and IRA Contributions: You Can Do Both (at www.investopedia.com) http://tinyurl.com/y8s8om5s
09:59 <@Corydon76> Ah, apparently the problem is that I make too much: https://www.investopedia.com/articles/retirement/03/011603.asp
09:59 < PigBot> Traditional IRA Deductibility Limits (at www.investopedia.com) http://tinyurl.com/y9we3qat
09:59 <@dasunt> I think the rule of thumb is usually 401(k) to employee match, than IRA (because usually better choices) to max, then 401k to max.
10:00 <@dasunt> Can you back door roth?
10:01 <@Corydon76> I can rollover funds, if I pay the income taxes on those funds
10:01 <@Corydon76> And yes, I do have a traditional IRA that was created when I rolled over funds from a 401k.
10:03 <@dasunt> Maybe be finaancially wise to do back door roth if you think your tax bracket will be much lower in the future.
10:04 <@Corydon76> Heh.  I just learned of a huge loophole
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10:05 <@Corydon76> So Roth contributions are prevented if you make more than a certain amount, right?
10:05 <@dasunt> Are you going to describe a backdoor roth?  ;)
10:05 <@Corydon76> Well, that doesn't count if you convert funds to a Roth.
10:05 <@Corydon76> Sounds like the backdoor Roth
10:06 <@Corydon76> Roth only is ideal if you think your income will be higher in retirement, that puts you in a higher tax bracket
10:07 <@Corydon76> Roth means that you think your income is lower now, so you pay the (lower) taxes now, rather than the (higher) taxes later
10:07 <@dasunt> Or if taxes will be higher in retirement.
10:07 <@Corydon76> Yes, that too
10:07 <@dasunt> (Effective tax rate, technically).
10:08 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CrzOVp4lFE
10:08 < PigBot> Woman Who Married A Ghost Pirate (at www.youtube.com)
10:08 <@Corydon76> But if you hybridize, you can take traditional IRA funds up to a certain amount, in retirement, then any excess you need that year, you take from the Roth account.
10:10 <@Corydon76> Because I really doubt they're going to tax the poor all that much in the future, it may be better to postpone some of those taxes
10:11 <@dasunt> I don't know if it works for you, but there's also the HSA loophole.
10:13 <@Corydon76> The fact that you can spend HSA funds even after you're on Medicare?
10:14 <@Corydon76> Can't contribute, but you can spend.
10:14 <@Corydon76> And I think there's a catchup on HSA if you're 55 or older, right?
10:15 <@dasunt> The fact that (a) you can use a 3rd party plan and invest it like an IRA and (b) at 65 years old, it acts like a traditional IRA.
10:18 <@Corydon76> Mine only allows me to invest anything in excess of a $1,000 value.  Haven't had that much in a long time
10:18 <@dasunt> It really depends on your health needs, etc.
10:18 <@Corydon76> My hospital stay 2 years ago wiped it out, and I've been paying down that bill ever since
10:18 <@dasunt> Knew some surgeons that were definitely using their HSAs as a way to get tax-free retirement income though.
10:19 <@Corydon76> You can only contribute to an HSA if you're on a HDHP, though
10:19 <@Corydon76> So you're sunk if you get sick, because you have to pay with that money before your health insurance kicks in
10:19 <@dasunt> Yep.  So if you are healthy and have low healthcare needs, great!
10:20 <@dasunt> If not, well, you don't get health privilege.  :(
10:20 < aestetix> Evilpig_: question
10:20 <@Corydon76> Yeah, unfortunately, I didn't have a choice about that.  Fortunately, that gall bladder is never going to bother me again.
10:20 < aestetix> Evilpig_: http://tracker.archiveteam.org/tumblr/ based on this, how long do you think it will take to archive all of tumblr?
10:20 < PigBot> Tumblr tracker Dashboard (at tracker.archiveteam.org) http://tinyurl.com/yd836q6t
10:20 < Evilpig_> aestetix: answer
10:21 < Evilpig_> the won't
10:21 <@dasunt> Have you tried lifting yourself up by your bootstraps?
10:21 < Evilpig_> that is only getting the shit that is public and that they know about
10:21 < aestetix> ok well
10:21 < aestetix> how long to archive the public domain stuff
10:21 <@Corydon76> All of Tumblr?  Decades.
10:21 < Evilpig_> I doubt they will get it all
10:22 < aestetix> I mean they have pulled 25 terabytes so far
10:22 < Evilpig_> when I was there, three years ago, we had shitloads of storage
10:22 < aestetix> which sounds like a lot
10:22 < aestetix> but maybe they have petabytes
10:22 < Evilpig_> 25TB?  that's it? pfffft
10:22 < Evilpig_> we were putting in 4TB pci flash cards
10:23 < aestetix> god how much fucking porn does tumblr have
10:23 <@Corydon76> Exabytes, more like it
10:24 <@Corydon76> "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of backup tapes."
10:26 < aestetix> Evilpig_: and I'm guessing there were a lot more than what you put in
10:26 < Evilpig_> that didn't include the spinning disk storage
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10:26 < Evilpig_> I have a picture somewhere of over a million dollars worth of those flash cards
10:26 < aestetix> reminders me of I think a post from pinterest where they said they backup 100 petabytes of storage a day, something like that
10:27 < aestetix> https://medium.com/@Pinterest_Engineering/scalable-and-reliable-data-ingestion-at-pinterest-b921c2ee8754
10:27 < PigBot> Scalable and reliable data ingestion at Pinterest – Pinterest Engineering – Medium (at medium.com) http://tinyurl.com/yawgfppw
10:27 < aestetix> terabytes, not petabytes
10:27 < aestetix> still that's a lot
10:27 <@Dolemite> Lot of overcompensating housemoms
10:31 < aestetix> I mean I have never used pinterest
10:31 < aestetix> isn't it basically like instagram?
10:31 < aestetix> which I have also never used
10:32 <@Corydon76> If you mean that it's centered on photos, yes, they're the same
10:32 <@Dolemite>  God, no
10:32 <@Dolemite> Pinterest is even more annoying
10:32 <@Corydon76> But the focus of those is different
10:32 <@Dolemite> It's a glorified bookmark manager
10:32 < aestetix> isn't there a bookmark manager built into most web browsers?
10:33 <@Corydon76> Kind of.  But that one isn't shared.
10:33 <@Dolemite> Pinterest allows you to make your bookmarks publicly sharable, and commentable.
10:33 < aestetix> that sounds like a horrible idea
10:34 <@Dolemite> But ultimately, the vast majority of what's on Pinterest is a link to some other site, but because it's so heavily cross-linked, it ranks higher on search engines than the original content
10:35 <@Dolemite> Example.   I pin a link to some article.   Corydon sees it on my pinterest log and pins it to his, because of a shared interest.  Then you do the same to the link on Corydon's list.
10:35 < aestetix> I don't see the part where anyone reads the articles
10:35 <@Dolemite> Your link doesn't go to the original site I linked, it goes to Corydon's, which goes to mine, which eventually goes to the site.
10:35 <@Dolemite> It's the absolute worst real work implementation of Data Structure 101 linked lists.
10:36 < aestetix> that's what I was just thinking
10:36 <@Dolemite> s/work/world
10:36 < aestetix> so it's how the news workds now
10:36 < aestetix> you have a shit website with a paragraph from another site with a clickbait title
10:36 <@Dolemite> Well at some level in Pinterest - I think it's 2 deep - you have to log in to go further
10:36 < aestetix> which then links to something like buzzfeed, with a clickbait title, and buzzfeed sources it from the AP
10:37 <@Corydon76> aestetix: not quite as bad, because the linking site doesn't get upvoted in the search engines without a link to it
10:37 < aestetix> how does pinterest make money?
10:37 <@Dolemite> Like I said - you have to login to even use the damn thing
10:37 <@Dolemite> At that point, you start getting tracked
10:38 < aestetix> oh ok
10:38 <@Dolemite> Tracking means advertising revenue
10:38 < aestetix> so it sells all your user data
10:38 <@Dolemite> yup
10:39 <@Dolemite> It also provides a "relevance feed" to you of other things that you might like, based on what you've shown interest in
10:40 <@Dolemite> It would be an interesting experiment to see how much data it would take to link cake decorating with hardcore bondage gear
10:41 <@Dolemite> Maybe a hardcore bondage cake?
10:41 <@Corydon76> Depending upon the site, not difficult at all.
10:42 <@Corydon76> We used to do this at booksamillion, by purchasing two book titles with conflicting topics
10:42 <@Corydon76> It then got pulled into the relationship engine
10:43 <@Corydon76> If you have two different users doing the same companion selections, that's a huge boost.
10:44 <@Corydon76> You didn't even have to complete the purchase.  You could call in after the order was placed and cancel the entire order.  It still fed the relationship engine
10:45 <@Corydon76> That was one of my more fun projects.
10:45 <@Corydon76> (Yes, I wrote it.  No, I have no idea if it's still in production.)
11:14 <@dasunt> This sounds horrible.
11:15 <@dasunt> I'm glad I avoided pintrist.
12:29 <@Mirage> Evilpig_: Venom in UHD...really?   Why?   That movie was a steaming pile of shit.
13:10 <@dasunt> He wants to see the steaming pile of shit in every detail.
14:39 < Evilpig_> best answer?  it was available
14:39 < Evilpig_> and the 5yr old likes it.  can't say why, but he does
14:40 < Evilpig_> I also didn't intentionally seek that out, radarr just kinda upgraded and I already had it so I figured why the hell not
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20:52 < K`Tetch> dammit, dolomite's boasting about storage is making me jelly
20:52 < K`Tetch> i need more storage DSEPERATELY, i've got like 50gb free across two systems
20:53 < K`Tetch> and i've probably shot 50gb of video in the last 28 hours, which needs editing
22:09 < Evilpig_> K`Tetch: this storage?
22:09 < Evilpig_> Filesystem               Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
22:09 < Evilpig_> diskpig:/volume1/media    37T   27T   10T  73% /nas1
22:09 < Evilpig_> diskpig:/volume2/media2   65T   60T  5.3T  92% /nas2
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