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06:46 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0, h0, h0ez!
06:46  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
08:00 <@Corydon76> https://www.medpagetoday.com/cardiology/chf/76858?xid=nl_mpt_DHE_2018-12-12&eun=g396260d0r
08:01 < PigBot> Flu Shot Tied to Heart Failure Survival | Medpage Today (at www.medpagetoday.com)
08:20 <@dasunt> Corydon76: What's the plausible link between the two?
08:25 <@Corydon76> dasunt: it's an observational study, so the authors did not specify their theory for the link.
08:26 <@Corydon76> One possibility is that those people willing to accept the conventional medical advice to get your flu shot regularly are also more likely to follow the specific medical advice following the diagnosis of heart failure, which would normally lead to better outcomes.
08:35 < Evilpig_> Or those getting teh shot are more routinely going to the doctor so they are generally getting better care taken of themselves
08:35 < Evilpig_> the ad for gardasil on that site is obnoxious and hides the blurb that the title is about
08:36 <@Corydon76> Once you click through, the Gardasil ad disappears
08:36 < Evilpig_> I had to look at it for a bit before I realized it was nearly a full page ad hiding everything
08:36 <@Corydon76> There appears to be no way to just link the article
08:37 <@Corydon76> The better we get at ignoring ads, the more intrusive marketers are going to get.
08:37 < Evilpig_> I've got mail in my box today from comcrap saying "this is big -- this is gig!"
08:37 < Evilpig_> my guess is they are goign to say that there is gig service in nashville and I should call someone about my service where they will tell me that either it's not available for me, or it is available by the up pipe will be something ridiculous like 25Mb
08:37 <@Corydon76> I've not gotten on their email list, thankfully, just the inane mailer every 2 weeks asking me to call for an account review.
08:38 <@Corydon76> Unfortunately, calling in and doing the account review DOESN'T stop the mailers.  I tried.
08:39 <@Corydon76> So now I've been watching for the mailers carefully, and marking them "Refused" and "Return to Sender".
08:39 <@Corydon76> Maybe not totally effective, but kind of satisfying.
08:40 < Evilpig_> this is the list that i'll never be off of
08:40 < Evilpig_> "or current resident"
08:40 < Evilpig_> https://www.dropbox.com/s/1uectpsbshnt16z/1001615200-015.jpg?dl=0
08:40 < PigBot> Dropbox - 1001615200-015.jpg (at www.dropbox.com) http://tinyurl.com/yc2ev3p4
08:41 <@Corydon76> Yeah, apparently the Postal Service will refuse to return a mailer if it has "or current resident" in the addressee.
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10:15 < xray> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/12/comcast-rejected-by-small-town-residents-vote-for-municipal-fiber-instead/
10:15 < PigBot> Comcast rejected by small town—residents vote for municipal fiber instead | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com) http://tinyurl.com/ycuqy9b2
11:00  * dasunt just had a mini-meeting where he kept nodding and wondering if his boss knew what she was talking about.
11:00 <@dasunt> I think this is progress in my socialization.
11:00 <@dasunt> Could be a problem down the road, as she tries to change a process she may not have bothered learning.  But I'm playing better with others.
11:03  * dasunt debates walking out and never coming back.
11:05 <@brimstone> dasunt: doit
11:36 <@dasunt> I kind of want to work for the punk collective that runs a local cafe.
11:36 <@dasunt> Just to see how group consensus management is hell.
11:36 <@dasunt> Giant pay cut, shittier hours, but I'm just wanting a change in mismanagement.
12:02 < aestetix> dasunt: oh man if you want stories about consensus management I could write a book
12:02 < aestetix> I know there's the churchill quote "democracy is the worst system except for all the other ones"
12:02 < aestetix> but consensus really and truly is the worst I've ever experienced
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12:51 <@dasunt> LOL.
12:52 <@dasunt> I kind of want to go to my boss's manager right now and just bluntly say "I'm treating my boss's interactions as damage and routing around them."
12:52 <@dasunt> OTOH, I'm also wanting to not be fired, for some reason.
13:47 <@dasunt> So is May out?  (Speaking of being fired...)
13:48 < aestetix> who the hell would want that job right now?
13:48 <@dasunt> That's what I was wondering.
13:48 < aestetix> I mean yes there is the eternal thirst for power
13:48 <@Corydon76> Anybody from another party.  But that will require elections
13:48 < aestetix> but at the moment it's a deathwish
13:48 <@dasunt> Like, is wanting to be PM of the UK right now a good sign that you should not be PM?
13:48 <@Corydon76> The Conservatives don't want the job, because nobody wants to be known as the PM who led the country out of the EU.
13:51 <@Corydon76> I don't think May understands that threatening the country with Jeremy Corbin is not the threat she thinks it is
13:51 <@dasunt> So if you are a remainer, and want to try to revoke the invokation of article whatever, then maybe you'd want it???
13:51 <@dasunt> Invocation.  Ummmm.  That doesn't look right either.
13:51 <@Corydon76> invocation, yes
13:52 <@dasunt> At this point, can the UK and EU just make up?  Is the will there, politically?
13:53 < aestetix> I doubt it
13:53 <@dasunt> And the political will isn't there to eat the current EU shit sandwich agreement.
13:53 <@Corydon76> There would be will if they held another referendum.  The problem is that without the will of the people, anybody going down that road will be looked askance if they buck the will of the people
13:53 < aestetix> Actually I'm also very interested in France right now
13:54 < aestetix> Macron's poll numbers are tanking.
13:54 <@dasunt> Second Brexit referendum may be the best way out.
13:54 <@dasunt> I find it interesting that the UK's current planning for a no deal brexit is the Civil Contigencies Act.
13:54 < aestetix> And if you'll recall, the person who came in second in the french election.... her main goal if elected was the Frexit
13:55 <@dasunt> Thatis kind of why I think some people in the EU would love to seek the UK crash and burn.
13:56 < aestetix> The fucked up thing is.... between May, Merkel, Macron, and Trump..... Trump has the highest poll numbers
13:56 <@dasunt> And he's the least competent!
13:57 < aestetix> https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-protests-poll/macrons-popularity-hits-new-low-amid-french-protests-poll-idUSKBN1O30MD
13:57 < PigBot>  Macron's popularity hits new low amid French protests: poll | Reuters (at www.reuters.com) http://tinyurl.com/y9d2sn5b
13:57 < aestetix> According to that, Macron's rating is 23 percent
13:57 <@dasunt> It's France, isn't overthrowing their government a hobby of theirs?
13:57 < aestetix> hahah yes
13:58 <@Corydon76> I saw a new statistic today, that political polling hit 90% rejection, which means that the results are suspect
13:59 <@Corydon76> How do you adjust results for population when 90% of the population doesn't want to talk to you?
13:59 < aestetix> according to RCP, Trump's approval rating is 42.7 percent
14:01 <@Corydon76> My understanding of their support is that it's largely based upon their conception of him as sticking his finger in the eye of the establishment, and they don't take seriously the allegations against him.
14:02 < aestetix> Whereas with Macron, the only reason he won is because nobody hated him.
14:02 < aestetix> Now that's changed.
14:03 <@Corydon76> The RCP poll, was that RV or LV?
14:03 < aestetix> overall
14:05 <@Corydon76> I see it now.  The disapprove is at 52.2.  If that holds for an election, that should be enough to see him go down.  Question is, who runs against him?
14:05 < aestetix> That's the more important question.
14:05 < aestetix> And at the moment, there's nobody.
14:06 <@Corydon76> At the moment, nobody wants to fuel the opposition research against them
14:06 <@Corydon76> But in 6 months, that will change
14:06 <@Corydon76> Also, early economic indicators suggest a recession
14:06 <@Corydon76> And we should be in the throes of that recession when the Presidential election occurs
14:07 <@Corydon76> And recessions always hit Presidential approvals hard.  See Bush Sr in 92.
14:07 <@Corydon76> Speaking of which, I need to reallocate my 401k to bonds
14:08 <@Mirage> If that happens then maybe something good will come about like dropping interet rates on loans so we can refinance the last bit left on the new house.
14:29 <@Dagmar> I'm not sure Trump's approval rating will be able to go any lower by then
14:33 <@Mirage> I don't know why ppl who aren't about to retire get so bent out of shape about market fluctuations.   IMO that's actually good thing because you're buying more stocks with your contributions
14:35 <@Dagmar> Because they know that plans still haven't recovered from the last financial sector blowout
14:35 <@Dagmar> Here's a thing being schelpped as a "solid long-term investment" which is not exactly keeping up with The Mattress Fund over the last 15 years
14:41 <@dasunt> Speaking of polls, I just heard on the radio that 80% of the UK population doesn't think any other PM would get a better deal.
14:41 <@dasunt> Corydon76: Are you trying to time the market?
14:42 <@Corydon76> dasunt: long term investments
14:42 <@dasunt> Stay the course.
14:42 <@Corydon76> I have a formula that I use to adjust my investments periodically
14:43 <@Corydon76> Unfortunately, the bond indices are doing even worse than the mutual funds, so I decided to mostly stay the course, only increasing diversification
14:44 <@dasunt> I just do 100% stock index.
14:44 <@dasunt> total stock market.
14:44 <@dasunt> I should probably do 95% stocks 5% bonds for similar returns/better volitility, but whatever.
14:44 <@Corydon76> That one sorted to the top in my latest analysis
14:45 <@dasunt> Sometimes stocks go up, sometimes stocks go down.  In the long run, after inflation, they do very well though.
14:45 <@Corydon76> Actually, there are 4 at the top.  Total Stock Mkt Index, 500 Index, Franklin Growth Fund, and JP Morgan Equity Income
14:46 <@Corydon76> Second tier is Victory Sycamore Est Value, Neuberger Berman Md Cap Growth, Health Care, and DFA Real Estate Portfolio I.
14:49 <@Corydon76> Almost everything took a bath this year, but the Health Care fund is up 10% on the year.
14:57 <@dasunt> I never do such fine granuality.
14:57 <@dasunt> I'm a firm believer in a random walk down wallstreet.
14:58 <@Corydon76> Diversification for me means using the data I have at my disposal to pick the best selections, but also ensuring that I have some of each kind of investment, to spread my risk around.
14:59 <@Corydon76> So some index funds, some growth funds, some value preservation funds, and some bond funds.
14:59 <@Corydon76> Then rebalance quarterly
15:00 <@Corydon76> And the other thing I want to do is to make it easy to import data from the funds, so I can do this reanalysis quarterly and make adjustments.
15:01 <@dasunt> About the only time I assume I'm smarter than the market is that I have a small amount in small cap value stocks.
15:01 <@dasunt> In 40 years, when that underperforms the broad index fund, I won't be surprised.
15:06 <@Corydon76> If you're just going to stick it in one fund and forget it for 40 years, then I absolutely agree with you that the total stock market index fund is the way to go.
15:07 <@Corydon76> I'm inclined to be a little more involved, in that I look at the performance quarterly, and I diversify to manage risk.
15:07 <@dasunt> My wife, I'm more conservative - (120 - Age) in total stock index, the rest in total bond index.
15:09 <@Corydon76> Even if you diversify like that, I would still recommend a rebalance quarterly
15:09 <@dasunt> It's set up to automatically rebalance.
15:09 <@Corydon76> May just won the no confidence vote.
15:09 <@dasunt> \o/
15:10 <@dasunt> Now she can be responsible for Britain going off a cliff.
15:10 <@Corydon76> And permanently tar the Conservative Party in Britain for their foolhardiness.
15:11 <@dasunt> https://media.mastodon.cloud/media_attachments/files/008/002/296/small/0b830482a440b3e0.jpg
15:11 < PigBot> None (at media.mastodon.cloud) http://tinyurl.com/yavnn6wu
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16:23 <@dasunt> Okay, now I really want to walk out and never look back.
16:27 <@dasunt> My boss just asked me if a part of an email I sent her was a table or an image.
16:27 <@dasunt> I've hit peak stupid.
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