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06:42 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0 h0 h0ex!
06:42 <@Dolemite> er, h0ez
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07:39  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
09:49 < aestetix> https://theoutline.com/post/6727/furries-tumblr-content-ban
09:49 < PigBot> Where will furries go after Tumblr? | The Outline (at theoutline.com) http://tinyurl.com/y7tskshq
09:54 <@Dolemite> I love how people keep decrying all of these free services pushing them out
09:55 <@Corydon76> I don't think it's so much that they're being pushed out as the ostensible reason why and all of the things they're still allowing on the platform
09:56 <@Corydon76> The reason this all came down the pike is that Apple delisted the Tumblr app for blogs that groomed children for CP.  Tumblr isn't doing anything about those blogs, just going after the adult content, instead.
09:57 <@Corydon76> Nor are they going after Nazis, white supremacists, or other vile hate groups
10:02 <@Dolemite> Tumblr/Verizon gets to make the decisions about what they are doing and hopefully consumers will realize that they aren't being moral, they're simply being heavy handed at reducing risk.
10:02 <@Dolemite> But as for "where will X go" I can only say, "Start paying for your service and see what happens"
10:03 < aestetix> Dolemite: the best part is that it's many of the same people who pushed back against me when I was complaining about the "real" name policies.
10:03 <@Dolemite> There is no obligation for every special interest group to have a free ecosystem on the internet
10:03 < aestetix> Apparently "it's a private company, they can do what they want" argument doesn't sound so good when you are the one being affected
10:03 <@Corydon76> aestetix: Nobody is saying that they can't.  They're simply exercising their First Amendment right to bitch about it.
10:03 < aestetix> Whereas in the meantime I gave up on all these sites and basically withdrew from it all.
10:04 <@Dolemite> aestetix: And in that one thing I'll admit that you're likely smarter than the rest of us
10:05 < aestetix> Well I simply did a cost-benefit analysis and it became painfully clear that I was losing.
10:05 <@Corydon76> It's not so much that they can't go elsewhere.  It's that they enjoyed the ability to cross-pollinate content.
10:05 <@Corydon76> And finding another site to do that which can handle a mass influx of users is a challenge.
10:05 <@Corydon76> Right now, that looks to be Twitter.
10:06 < aestetix> Corydon76: a friend of a friend tried to play a winning hand by setting up a mastadon node and saying it was for free speech of all sorts
10:06 < aestetix> And after about a month it filled with lots of hateful things, including photos of nazi death camps.
10:07 <@Corydon76> Duh
10:07 <@Dolemite> I encourage them to move to Twitter.   Maybe an influx of furries will make the nazis want to leave.
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10:07 <@Corydon76> Free speech for all things sounds great, until you realize that there is a ton of really terrible stuff that gets pushed into "free speech rights"
10:08 < aestetix> But yeah. The problem with the free speech thing is that you'll get 90%+ posts praising hitler, demanding a right to child porn, etc
10:08 < aestetix> And I say this as a free speech fundamentalist.
10:08 <@brimstone> free speech != consequenceless speech
10:09 < aestetix> And usually a good number of posts about jews, george soros, etc
10:09 <@Corydon76> aestetix: or worse
10:09 < aestetix> I really wonder what those guys will post about when george soros dies
10:10 < aestetix> since he is apparently the architect of all this shit
10:10 <@Corydon76> aestetix: "He faked his death!  Soros is still in control!"
10:10 < aestetix> haha
10:10 < aestetix> so he'll be the new elvis
10:10 <@Corydon76> I'm not even kidding
10:11 <@Corydon76> They *seriously* believe that the elites have figured out how to immortal and control society in secret.
10:11 <@opticron> they'll just claim the singularity already happened and his brain is now running on a supercomputer somewhere
10:11 < aestetix> oh and the other thing
10:12 < aestetix> if the friend of a friend cracks down.... like removes one of the auschwitz photos or something
10:12 < aestetix> you know the trolls will DDoS his server or worse
10:13 <@Corydon76> Yeah, that's why the only way to shut that down is to say you've gone bankrupt and the server will be shut down
10:13 <@Corydon76> Then open a shell company with another service, with nearly the same software, but with set restrictions
10:14 < aestetix> On the "deleting accounts" bit, btw
10:14 < aestetix> I considered keeping my twitter account, and just using it mostly for posting but not reading
10:14 < aestetix> Like "hey there's an event coming up"
10:15 < aestetix> but their fucking algorithms made that useless
10:15 <@Corydon76> I rarely use my Twitter account anymore.  It's mostly just Facebook and Google
10:15 < aestetix> So basically, the only way to guarantee anyone sees your tweets now is by pissing everyone off
10:15 <@Corydon76> That may change with Tumblr's shutdown of adult content.
10:15 <@Corydon76> You know I only go to those pages to read the stories.
10:17 < aestetix> btw, did you see the facebook stuff?
10:17 < aestetix> a bunch of internal documents relased by the UK parliament
10:17 < aestetix> I'm hoping there will be something in there that proves Zuckerberg committed perjury
10:19 < aestetix> https://www.newyorker.com/tech/annals-of-technology/facebooks-very-bad-month-just-got-worse
10:19 < PigBot> Facebook’s Very Bad Month Just Got Worse | The New Yorker (at www.newyorker.com) http://tinyurl.com/yasgxsho
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12:34 <@Mirage> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiPW2BCX8Mg
12:34 < PigBot> "Refunding" A Refund Scammer Using His Own Technique (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/yat6c5uv
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13:10 <@Corydon76> That's not the refund scam I was thinking of.  The other one is when a thief breaks into a business and reverses a bunch of charges on credit cards.
13:17 <@Mirage> Amusing...both in content and how seriously some ppl take games.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeC0ZTT8n7E
13:17 < PigBot> 747 Pilot LOSES HIS MIND in Flight Simulator X (Multiplayer ATC) (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/y75nsjer
13:20 <@Mirage> hehe....comment posted on another video:  Once read about a pilot in Germany who called the tower speaking German. The tower told him to repeat his message in English (standard language for ATC around the world as I understand). German pilot responded in English, "I'm a German pilot flying a German plane in Germany. Why must I speak English?" A British pilot came over the radio and said, "Because you lost the bloody war!"
13:22 < dasunt> I still don't get how Blue Origin is going to be economically viable.
13:27 < dasunt> If SpaceX is the GM of private rockets, Blue Origin would be the artisinal rocket crafter.
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