--- Log opened Tue Nov 27 00:00:23 2018 05:30 -!- aestetix_ is now known as aestetix 06:22 -!- Dolemite changed the topic of #se2600 to: Let's have a moment of silence for our fallen brother, Greg Zapf 06:26 <@Dolemite> Greg was younger than me, too. 06:29 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@66-38-50-21.pool.dsl.duo-county.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:03 <@Corydon76> Dolemite: fallen brother? From Facebook, it appears that it was his brother who passed, not him. 08:02 <@Mirage> ok, so who's Greg Zapf? 08:32 <@Corydon76> A Memphis geek (I believe he's also a Yak.net person) who has showed up many times to PhreakNIC. 08:38 <@Corydon76> He was also a speaker at PN9, "Vehicular Computing: What, How and Why?" 08:45 <@Corydon76> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux3STlov7Vw 08:45 < PigBot> Major Lazer - Christmas Trees (feat. Protoje) (Official Lyric Video) (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/j2htq64 09:25 < Synx_hm> So... i am kinda addicted to Kerbal Space Program, i've been letting my kid watch and help me, so yesterday i tell him we landed on mars and his first response is to ask which kerbals i took with on the trip 09:25 < Synx_hm> ha 09:45 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xglhhdzjnvfuosue] has joined #se2600 10:21 <@Dolemite> Corydon76: Ah, the picture sure looked like Greg 10:21 <@Dolemite> Greg was the one with the DeLorean. He also did a talk on Post Office Hacking, one year. 10:22 -!- Dolemite changed the topic of #se2600 to: 'tis the Season to be Less of a Dick to Each Other 10:23 <@Corydon76> I thought the Post Office hacking was by CypherGhost. Greg is Negative3Kelvin. 10:23 <@Dolemite> Ah, yes, I got them confused 10:24 <@Dolemite> I'm old and senile at this point 10:25 -!- crashcartpro [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egdsfkwvtwyeafbb] has joined #se2600 11:24 <@Mirage> I didn't think it was possible, but Spectrum just amazed me with ineptitude. 11:25 <@Mirage> Tech called and says "I knocked on the door, but there's no answer." 11:25 <@Mirage> I told him he should have rang the door bell, and he said "I did that too". 11:26 <@Mirage> I then stepped out the front door and informed him that there was no Spectrum truck in sight outside. 11:26 <@Mirage> He then claimed to be sitting in the driveway, which is impossible because we have 4 cars parked in the driveway and you couldn't park anything else there if you had to. 11:28 <@Mirage> Finally he asked what my address was, which was of course different than he had. After a short silence, presumably while he checked his GPS, he asked what city I was in....which was of course not the same as the one he was in. 11:32 <@Dolemite> LOL 11:32 <@Evilpig> amazing 11:33 <@Evilpig> HR is now calling and instant messaging daily to tell me that i'm not compliant with getting the flu shot 11:33 * Dolemite pokes Evilpig with the floozy virus 11:34 <@Evilpig> they are not threatening that if my name is on the non-compliant list tomorrow it is going to the director of IT or whatever. some chick's name that I recognize but don't know her role 11:34 <@Evilpig> the CIO 11:35 <@Evilpig> https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-hagovsky-a7a3449/ 11:35 < PigBot> 999 11:36 <@Dolemite> So have you not gotten your shot, yet, or are their records wrong? 11:36 <@Evilpig> https://www.vumc.org/health-wellness/occupational-health/flu/policies 11:36 < PigBot> Medical Center Policy | Vanderbilt Faculty & Staff Health and Wellness (at www.vumc.org) 11:36 <@Evilpig> I have not 11:36 <@Evilpig> it's on my calendar for tomorrow 11:37 <@Evilpig> I will leave my office around 10 tomorrow, to waste time using the shuttle to goto occupational health, i'll take off my shirt out in the hall to make people uncomfortable, get my shot, then walk to pizza perfect 11:37 <@Dolemite> LOL 11:37 <@Dolemite> Pleas put the shirt back on before going to Pizza Perfect 11:37 <@Evilpig> then i'll casually make my way back to the shuttle and maybe get back to my desk before 2. wasting the entire fucking day because they're making me get this stupid fucking shot that I don't want or agree with 11:43 <@Corydon76> When you work in a medical center, it should be expected that they want you to be inoculated against possible transmittable diseases. 11:44 <@Corydon76> especially for something as virulent as the flu 11:45 <@Corydon76> I work from home. The only thing they care about is that if I'm sick, I don't come into the office on those days. 11:45 <@Corydon76> (and I still got the flu shot) 11:47 <@Evilpig> I get that. but I don't work in the medical center 11:47 <@Mirage> It's not supposed to prevent the flu, just lessen how bad you'll get it if you do. 11:47 <@Evilpig> I work in a remote office or at home 11:47 <@Evilpig> it's also a fucking gamble as to the strains that will be active this year 11:47 <@Mirage> Evilpig: but you're still a VUMC employee 11:48 <@Evilpig> They have an excemption process that they just deny all requests that come in unless you make a big enough stink 11:49 <@Evilpig> the nurses are not forced into compliance but if they choose to not get the shot they have to wear masks til flu season is complete 11:50 <@Dolemite> I vote for Evilpig wearing a bag over his head 11:51 <@Corydon76> Mirage. It *may* prevent the flu. At worst, it'll make the flu less severe. The problem is that, due to the timeline, they cannot know exactly what strain will hit, so they make their best guess and throw that into production. 11:52 <@Corydon76> There are some ways to save a couple weeks in production, but they'd need to shave months off to make a decent difference, and that's just not doable. 11:52 <@Corydon76> So we're stuck with a 6 month process. 11:53 < dasunt> Why not go to Walgreens or CVS and get the shot? 11:53 < dasunt> Also, at worst, the vaccine will be flawed and cause serious health problems. More probably, at worst, it'll do nothing. 11:53 <@Dolemite> Because he doesn't want it at all 11:54 <@Corydon76> dasunt: because he'd rather be passive aggressive about resisting the shot 11:54 < dasunt> What if they promise a lolly pop for after the shot? 11:54 <@Dolemite> So he'd rather waste as much time as possible at work in his manner of protesting the requirement 11:54 < dasunt> ;) 11:54 <@Corydon76> dasunt: Nope, that's one of the things they eliminate in the 6 month lead time. 11:55 <@Corydon76> The shot itself cannot cause severe reactions, or it will be rejected before it goes into mass production. 11:55 < dasunt> Corydon76: There's still a small but finite chance of some error that causes a problem. (And I say that as someone who has already gotten the flu shot this year, because fuck, free immunity to four strains!) 11:56 <@Corydon76> dasunt: exactly. It's covered by default, and the only real cost is time. 11:57 <@Corydon76> And yes, some small portion of the population may get a severe reaction. But that's massively unlikely if you've ever gotten a flu shot before and had no reaction to it. 12:00 <@Corydon76> There are a few categories for which the flu vaccine is not effective or has reduced effectiveness: 1) infants, 2) the elderly, and 3) anyone with a compromised immune system, such as 3a) those receiving chemotherapy, or 3b) those with immune disorders. Finally, there's 4) those with an egg allergy, who can't get the shot, because the vaccine is grown in eggs. 12:01 <@Corydon76> If you know anybody in any of those categories, it's critical that all of those who they have regular contact with don't become vectors for disease, i.e. get the flu shot. 12:06 <@Corydon76> Awwww, Stephen Hillenburg has died. 12:07 <@Dolemite> Don't pull a Dolemite - make sure it wasn't his brother 12:07 < dasunt> 57? 12:07 < dasunt> That's young. 12:07 < dasunt> Oh, ALS. 12:12 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@66-38-50-21.pool.dsl.duo-county.com] has joined #se2600 12:54 -!- Imgur[m] [nebimgurma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-mtmgbuowqcxgzxrg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:54 -!- ezelkow1 [ezelkow1ma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jadmoseunfaflzjd] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:11 -!- Imgur[m] [nebimgurma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ritfcroihsaqxasc] has joined #se2600 13:20 <@Evilpig> Corydon76: actually i've been very actively vocal and open about my stance on this stupid shot. I filed all the appropriate paperwork months ago to be exempt was was denied 13:20 <@Evilpig> I was then told I would be placed on unpaid administrative leave if I did not comply so the second phase is fuck you, i'm going to waste your time as a result 13:22 -!- ezelkow1 [ezelkow1ma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-fztomjnwdxqcnsxz] has joined #se2600 13:23 < dasunt> So why don't you want the vaccine again? 13:23 <@Corydon76> Evilpig: what was your exemption based upon? 13:23 < dasunt> You are already in #se2600, so you probably are already autistic, to some degree. ;) 13:24 <@Evilpig> I tried both reason and religion 13:24 <@Evilpig> I don't want a vaccine that is targeted for a specific strain of virus that is constantly mutating and may or may not be active in my area 13:25 <@Evilpig> I have no problem with vaccines for things that are universal like polio, apparently now chicken pox, etc. 13:25 <@Corydon76> Um, you do know why the vaccine is constantly mutating, don't you? 13:25 <@Corydon76> Err, why the virus is 13:26 <@Corydon76> All viruses mutate to a degree when they replicate inside a host body. The more people who get the virus, the more mutations are possible. 13:27 <@Corydon76> So.... the more people who are vaccinated, the less chance the virus has to mutate beyond something that the vaccine can handle 13:29 < dasunt> Has there been any testing of flu vaccines and partial immunity? I know there's evidence that for flu infections, there may be partial immunity to other strains, even years later. 13:29 <@Corydon76> (So the argument you made suggests that a higher level of vaccination is necessary. 13:31 <@Evilpig> I don't give afuck about a partial immunity or suggested evidience that maybe you get reduced symptoms 13:31 < dasunt> Why not? 13:31 <@Evilpig> put in the research for a better universal vaccine 13:31 < dasunt> Flu feels like shit, I'd take even partial immunity over no immunity 13:32 <@Evilpig> When I go put money in a vending machine for a coke I want a coke, I don't want a 30% chance to get coke and 30% chance for pepsi and a 30% chance for big k cola 13:32 <@Evilpig> Gamble on your research subjects 13:32 <@Corydon76> dasunt: to your testing question: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5766649/ 13:32 < PigBot> Seasonal Influenza Split Vaccines Confer Partial Cross-Protection against Heterologous Influenza Virus in Ferrets When Combined with the CAF01 Adjuvant (at www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov) http://tinyurl.com/y783jr7k 13:32 <@rhia> Evilpig, https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2018/11/13/looking-to-llamas-for-new-ways-to-fight-the-flu/ 13:32 < PigBot> Looking to Llamas for New Ways to Fight the Flu – NIH Director's Blog (at directorsblog.nih.gov) http://tinyurl.com/yde5zq2d 13:32 < dasunt> Shit, when I put on a seatbelt, I want a 100% chance of living. A seatbelt doesn't provide that. I still use it though. 13:34 <@Evilpig> rhia: shit like that is very promising, more research! 13:34 <@Evilpig> the seatbelt does the job of preventing you from being thrown from the car 13:34 < dasunt> I can still die. 13:35 <@Evilpig> the force of the impact that caused you to need the seat belt cannot be reversed by putting it on 13:35 <@Evilpig> two different issues 13:35 <@Corydon76> Evilpig: to your soda analogy, if not getting a soda out of the machine meant that you were going to become dehydrated, I'd say that you really don't care which of the 3 cans that come out 13:35 <@Evilpig> I don't care if I get the flu. If it kills me, good for the rest of you 13:36 < dasunt> Don't you care about passing medical costs on to the rest of us? 13:36 <@Evilpig> my past experiences with the flu shots are just as good as many of these studies where I've felt worse on years that i've taken it versus the years where I didn't 13:36 <@Corydon76> The problem is that if you get the flu, it mutates in your body, which can put the rest of us at risk if one of those mutations makes the vaccine ineffective. 13:37 <@Evilpig> with my, now published, experience I see the risk of getting the shot as higher for me getting sick 13:37 <@Corydon76> A sample size of 1 is not scientific 13:37 < dasunt> Isn't that feels > reals? 13:40 < dasunt> Huh, looking up flu information, I find the 1977 flu pandemic may have been due to Russia or China fucking up. 13:44 < dasunt> Also, this year's flu vaccine gives immunity against a Phuket-like virus. 13:44 < dasunt> That's for the quad vaccine. 13:56 -!- Imgur[m] [nebimgurma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ritfcroihsaqxasc] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:56 -!- ezelkow1 [ezelkow1ma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-fztomjnwdxqcnsxz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:03 -!- Imgur[m] [nebimgurma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-idmlqteqxiouqnus] has joined #se2600 14:03 < dasunt> Also it looks like the influenza B part of the vaccine is quite good at immunizing people, since influenza b mutates more slowly. 14:13 -!- ezelkow1 [ezelkow1ma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-oeeuppvdwrrvzdnj] has joined #se2600 14:25 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@47.39.211.239] has joined #se2600 14:27 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o ezelkow1] by ChanServ 14:28 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:44 <@Dagmar> I stopped because every year I got a vaccine, I got the flu 15:45 <@Dagmar> Over a 20 year monitored span, seven years of flu+vaccine, 13 years of not 15:56 < K`Tetch_> and thats why we have blind trials, because you can't account for behavioural differences you may have done because of that controlled variable variation 15:56 < K`Tetch_> not having the shot may make you more adverse to beign aroudn those who might have influenza 15:56 < K`Tetch_> thereby lessining your exposure, and that's the reason why 15:59 < K`Tetch_> i've never gotten the flu shot, but then I rarely go out 16:12 < dasunt> You won't believe this one trick to avoid the flu: Stay in mom's basement. 16:13 < dasunt> Speaking of which, my wife found the Reddit basement dweller's subreddit. I haven't checked it out yet, but it has something to do with NEET - Not (in) Education, Employment or Training. 16:20 < K`Tetch_> i rarely go out because i don't need to - wife does it for me 16:20 < K`Tetch_> its gotten cold. if i wanted fucking cold, i'd have stayed in the uk 16:21 -!- Mirage [~mirage@cpe-76-184-192-200.tx.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:54 -!- Mirage [~mirage@raw.thehippo.net] has joined #se2600 16:54 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Mirage] by ChanServ 17:01 -!- Mirage [~mirage@raw.thehippo.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:18 -!- Mirage [~mirage@ra.thehippo.net] has joined #se2600 17:18 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Mirage] by ChanServ 20:08 -!- crashcartpro [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-egdsfkwvtwyeafbb] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20:33 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xglhhdzjnvfuosue] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] --- Log closed Wed Nov 28 00:00:24 2018