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06:13 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:29  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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08:28 < aestetix> https://medium.com/s/story/on-the-visual-weariness-of-the-web-8af1c969ce73
08:28 < PigBot> Why Do All Websites Look the Same? – Member Feature Stories – Medium (at medium.com) http://tinyurl.com/y9vbpccn
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10:46  * dasunt starts to hate based on title alone.
10:47 < dasunt> Next:  Why do all cars use the same controls?
10:47 < dasunt> Later:  Why are all book layouts basically the same?
10:48 < aestetix> that's not true
10:48 < aestetix> lol
10:48 < aestetix> House of Leaves proves you wrong ;)
10:48 < aestetix> and for the record, I got about halfway through, just like everyon eelse
10:49 < dasunt> There's a few creative books.  But for the most part, books tend to fit in a specific format that readers expect.
10:49 < dasunt> That's because books realize that they are just the way to convey content, they aren't content in and of themselves.
10:51 <@Corydon76> dasunt: it really is ridiculous how almost all keyboards have exactly the same layout.
10:51 < dasunt> It's not like a book is suddenly, on page 93, going to present a Sudoku puzzle, the answer which, when correlated with specific pages of the 1984 OED, will tell you the next part of the story.
10:51 <@Corydon76> Why, I should have to relearn how to type every time I sit down at a new computer.
10:52 < dasunt> You should learn how to retype when you sit down at a different computer.  It would be a memorable experience.
10:52 < dasunt> Maybe the keyboard could be designed so that everytime you hit the "I" key, you get a slight shock, showing how harmful it is to be egotistical.
10:53 < dasunt> We'll rename the "Shift" key to "Compartmentalized wage labor" key.  Just to further our social message.
10:54 <@Corydon76> I think the idea behind the Apple laptop keyboard is that there will be a special button in the next iteration that anytime you press it, the keys will all switch places, and create a brand new experience.  Even the button to do this will move, making your computer experience truly unique.
10:55 < dasunt> I wonder if anyone ever suggested that, and how many meeting it took to be convinced it was not a good idea.
10:55 < xray> The decided to do that with all the Mac laptop adapters instead of the keyboard
10:56  * dasunt is in a snit, if anyone hasn't guessed.  Boss is having an idlish day, and thus she assumes we all aren't busy.
10:57 < dasunt> Much frustration is ensuing.
11:00 < dasunt> So she asks me to work on some projects.
11:00 < dasunt> I start working on the projects.
11:00 <@Corydon76> xray: I want to see a laptop adapter that randomly swaps neutral and hot, and see how well the laptop fares
11:00 < dasunt> And then she starts asking why the tickets are getting behind.
11:00  * dasunt sees the humor in this.
11:01 <@Corydon76> dasunt: there's greater humor in having two partners as your bosses, and having them disagree on what you should do NOW.
11:01 < dasunt> Embrace fatalism at work.
11:01 < dasunt> That's what I do.
11:01 <@Corydon76> At the time, it was not humorous.  I finally had to tell one that he wasn't there, so I was going to do what the partner in the office wanted FIRST, and then I would get back to him
11:02 < dasunt> Occasionally it doesn't work, and I have to tamp down that urge to tell my boss why what she's suggesting won't work.
11:02 <@Corydon76> "I can do both of these tasks; I just can't do both of them first."
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11:03 < dasunt> Are the partners capable of accepting that their plans will change?
11:03 <@Corydon76> This was an old job from 15+ years ago.  My time in the dot-com trenches.
11:04 <@Corydon76> Ironically, the partner who was at the office, who was the less technical partner, is the one who is still with the company.  The other partner was laid off years after they were acquired.
11:09 <@Corydon76> Oh, goodie.  MeetUp just decided to tell me that there's some Super Christian Visual Artists group that just started up...
11:09 < dasunt> Join them.
11:09 <@Corydon76> No doubt also about to die.
11:11 <@Corydon76> The group, not them.  I don't understand the whole concept of "I'm a Super X, I'm sure there are more in the city!"
11:11 <@Dagmar> o.O
11:11 < xray> What is a super group?
11:12 < xray> is it different than a marvelous or stupendous group?
11:12 <@Corydon76> xray: super christian, super DJ, etc.
11:12 < dfused> super douchecanoe
11:12 < xray> LoL
11:13 < xray> Is it a useless superlative like, ultimate?
11:13 < xray> Or platinum?
11:13 <@Corydon76> I'm a super hermit.  No, I'm not going to try to meet up with others.
11:13 <@Corydon76> Super duper nonox ultra
11:14 < xray> Like sponsorship levels, bronze, silver, gold, ultimate, supreme?
11:14 <@Corydon76> Like gasoline
11:15 <@Corydon76> Probably just as explosive with the right spark
11:30 < dasunt> https://medium.com/s/story/on-the-visual-weariness-of-the-web-8af1c969ce73
11:30 < PigBot> Why Do All Websites Look the Same? – Member Feature Stories – Medium (at medium.com) http://tinyurl.com/y9vbpccn
11:30 < dasunt> xray: Supergroup is when famous muscians get together to firm a band, like "The Highwaymen".
11:36 < xray> So this is a music industry thing which explains why I have never heard of it.
11:37 < dasunt> I was making a joke, I have no idea what Corydon76 was talking about.
11:37 < xray> Ah
11:38 <@Corydon76> https://www.meetup.com/CreatorsforChrist-Nashville/?gj=ej1b&_xtd=gatlbWFpbF9jbGlja9oAJGM2MTRiMGIwLWQxMWEtNDdkOS05N2NhLTU0M2MwYjZiOGNiNA&_cookie-check=r-HMV1SaRmrfOYXd
11:38 < PigBot> #CreatorsforChrist: Nashville (Nashville, TN) | Meetup (at www.meetup.com) http://tinyurl.com/y9sx3amj
11:38 <@Corydon76> Since you asked
11:39 < xray> thanks.
11:39 <@Corydon76> I had to go dig through my trash to find it
11:39 < xray> so why is this even worth discussion
11:40 <@Corydon76> I just think it's funny how 1) how I get groups I'm not even remotely interested in, and 2) how most groups seem to peter out quickly.
11:42 < xray> So you got an invite to the group? That is really odd.
11:44 <@Corydon76> I suspect I know why.  If you scroll down the page to "related topics", their self-categorization picks up a vast number of fields.
11:45 <@Corydon76> Also:  "Upcoming Events: none".
11:48 < K`Tetch> 11:51:18 «dasunt» It's not like a book is suddenly, on page 93, going to present a Sudoku puzzle, the answer which, when correlated with specific pages of the 1984 OED, will tell you the next part of the story. <-- fuck yeah, that sounds awesome!
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11:53 < dasunt> K`Tetch: Authors don't write books just for you!
11:53 < dasunt> Huh:  https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/08/opinion/midterms-senate-rural-urban.html
11:53 < K`Tetch> some do
11:53 < PigBot> Opinion | Real America Versus Senate America - The New York Times (at www.nytimes.com) http://tinyurl.com/ybbqqjuw
11:53 < dasunt> That's kind of an interesting article.
11:53 < K`Tetch> I write books for me, for instance
11:53 < K`Tetch> well, some books
11:54 < K`Tetch> ok 1 book actually finished...
11:57 < dasunt> Does it have a sudoku puzzle in it?
11:57 < K`Tetch> no... because i didn't think of that
11:57 < K`Tetch> not until you gave me the amazing idea
12:00 < dasunt> Put it in the next book.
12:14 < K`Tetch> 2 books time
12:14 < K`Tetch> next book will be no safe harbor 2
12:14 < K`Tetch> there will be comics in that
12:15 < dasunt>  I wonder if there's a correlation between IT work and alcoholism?
12:16 < aestetix> https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/nov/09/fail-state-documentary-for-profit-colleges
12:16 < PigBot> 'Phenomenally saddening': inside the sordid world of America's for-profit colleges | Film | The Guardian (at www.theguardian.com) http://tinyurl.com/yazdd6o7
12:20 < dasunt> That sounds like an interesting movie.
12:20 < dasunt> Oh, the US acting AG thinks that Marbury v. Madison was wrongly decided.  Good choice for AG, Dotard in Chief.
12:21 < aestetix> what
12:21 < aestetix> if that's true he's a moron
12:21 < dasunt> https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/matthew-whitaker-is-a-crackpot/2018/11/08/69e8e190-e395-11e8-8f5f-a55347f48762_story.html?ICID=ref_fark&__twitter_impression=true&noredirect=on&utm_content=link&utm_medium=website&utm_source=fark&utm_term=.0c245672fd03
12:21 < PigBot> Matthew Whitaker is a crackpot - The Washington Post (at www.washingtonpost.com) http://tinyurl.com/y7wkca37
12:21 < aestetix> like, that's one of the most important cases in history
12:22 < dfused> this is gonna be a great year
12:22 < dasunt> aestetix: Quote:
12:22 < dasunt> "Whitaker: “The courts are supposed to be the inferior branch of our three branches of government. We have unfortunately off loaded many of our tough public policy issues onto the court and they’ve decided hem. Unelected judges are deciding many of the issues of the day. There are so many (bad rulings). I would start with the idea of Marbury v. Madison. That’s probably a good place to start and the
12:23 < dasunt> way it’s looked at the Supreme Court as the final arbiter of constitutional issues."
12:23 < aestetix> ....
12:23 < aestetix> ok like, sometimes you can say that a case misinterpreted what the founding fathers meant
12:23 < aestetix> but that case was literally decided by some of the founding fathers
12:23 < aestetix> that was under jefferson, right?
12:23 < aestetix> as in, jefferson was president
12:25 < dasunt> Yes.
12:25 < dasunt> And you know, it is one of the hinges of how the US government has been run for the past 200 years.
12:25 < aestetix> right
12:26 < aestetix> I'm just saying, sometimes you can challenge a ruling saying they misinterpreted the constitution
12:26 < aestetix> but that particular case was decided when some of the founders were still alive
12:28 < dasunt> I think the GOP has been telling itself that government is broken for so long that it believes all of the government is broken.
12:29 < dasunt> Or they'd prefer to break the government, so they can remake it in their image.
12:33 < dasunt> So, disturbing thought.  Remember that Bork tried to shut down the Watergate investigation, and that Reagan gave Bork a SCOTUS nomination in return.
12:34 < dasunt> Please, no Whitaker on the Supreme Court.
12:37 < aestetix> did not know that about Bork
12:37 < aestetix> I only knew about the Bork law
12:57 < dasunt>  bork bork bork bork bork bork bork.
12:58 < aestetix> bork's adventure
12:58 < dasunt> I have never heard about the "tenther movement" before today.
12:58 < aestetix> and I have not heard of it until 30 seconds ago
12:58 < aestetix> what is it
12:58 < dasunt> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenther_movement
12:58 < PigBot> Tenther movement - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/qya3geb
13:00 < dasunt> I guess critiquing judicial review is sometimes associated with them.
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13:29 <@rhia> heard of it, then again, spent some time reading about SCs. Some tenthers are sovereign citizens, others are just (what they like to call themselves) "strict Constitutionalists" - none seem to want to admit that humanity advances from learning from and building on history, not sealing it in carbonite like Solo and insisting on keeping it frozen in time
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13:57 < aestetix> rhia: strict constitutionalists are a bit like fundamentalist christians ;)
14:22 <@rhia> yeah, the Venn overlap is not insignificant
14:24 <@rhia> from Whitaker's stand to Kavanaugh on the SCOTUS, Trump is definitely trying to cover all bases. If SCOTUS protects him, thank Kavanaugh. If SCOTUS makes a decision he doesn't like, well, there's Whitaker.
14:43 < aestetix> So in your opinion, he's trying to set up another Gerald Ford moment?
14:49 < dasunt> SovCits are sometimes funny.
15:19 < K`Tetch> also, a lot of srtict constitutionalists are actually anything but, it's often more 'strict my interpretation', same with originalists where it becomes 'my view on what the founders would have said', even if they actually sopke on that topic and said the opposite
15:39 < dasunt> If you aren't too insane, you can usually find a founder with an interpretation you like.
16:11 <@Corydon76> The problem isn't generally finding an interpretation you like, but a judge who agrees with that interpretation of the law.
16:12 <@rhia> K`Tetch, yup
16:15 < dasunt> That's why you need to put your guys on SCOTUS.
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16:29 <@Dagmar> Like I always say, any sufficiently advanced technology should be indistinguishable from necromancy
16:30 <@rhia> =)
19:17 <@Evilpig> https://photos.app.goo.gl/NV1RvxifzkzYbZ3R7
19:17 < PigBot> Shared album - Wilbur Longwisch - Google Photos (at photos.app.goo.gl) http://tinyurl.com/ybroso72
19:17 <@Evilpig> this year I am taking whatever prize is available for best uncle ever
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