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01:00 < K`Tetch_> they claim it's 'normal', but at hte same time they've now pulld the link
04:43 < aestetix> looks like there's more drama between the girl scouts and boy scouts
06:18  * Dolemite grabs aestetix by the pussy
06:18 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:30  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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07:43 <@Mirage> Evilpig: Stan vs Evil Ep3 audio is jacked up...FYI
07:46 <@Evilpig> that came in last night haven't checked it yet
07:46 <@Evilpig> gonna say it's fixed now.  Stan.Against.Evil.S03E03.REPACK.1080p.WEBRip.x264-TBS-RakuvZOiDSEN
07:46 <@Evilpig> got a repack
07:47 <@Evilpig> https://nzbgeek.info/geekseek.php?guid=de9d07c07b9b681092fe322581c0f621
07:47 < PigBot> NZBgeek (at nzbgeek.info) http://tinyurl.com/ya5j5m9l
07:47 <@Evilpig> 23 minutes ago
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08:12 <@Evilpig> I thought the audio was messed up there for a sec but they were doing a spoof on those old kungfu movies
09:36  * aestetix reports Evilpig to the FBI
09:37 <@Evilpig> I didn't grab your pussy
09:38 <@Dolemite> They don't investigate those accusations
09:39 < aestetix> I meant for pirating tv shows
09:43 <@Dolemite> There's no TV show at that link.   It's simply metadata.
09:47 < aestetix> so Corydon76 question for you
09:47 < aestetix> Is it a good idea to be on PPIs longterm?
09:47 <@Corydon76> There are known risks for some people.
09:47 < aestetix> like what?
09:47 <@Corydon76> Magnesium deficiency
09:48 < aestetix> I mean yes I could read all this online, but honestly I've already had two false alarms from getting medical advice from a website
09:48 <@Corydon76> Then go to a doctor and get a medical test.
09:48 < aestetix> well yes
09:48 < aestetix> I have one scheduled for early january
09:48 < aestetix> :)
09:48 <@Corydon76> Aren't they free in Germany?
09:49 < aestetix> One problem with Germany.... appointments to see a specialist take a while
09:49 <@Corydon76> Why do you need a specialist for that?  A GP can order those blood tests.
09:49 <@Corydon76> They take a vial of blood, run it, and you have answers within 2 days
09:50 < aestetix> oh ok
09:50 < aestetix> you mean for magnesium?
09:50 < aestetix> I was wondering if there are any other known side effects
09:50 <@Corydon76> The only thing you really need the doctor for is if the medical lab doesn't include a column with "normal" ranges.
09:50 <@Dolemite> like your pecker falling off?
09:50 < aestetix> Dolemite: exactly
09:50 < aestetix> Or growing a third nose
09:51 <@Corydon76> Well, I have a beer can penis, but I doubt those results are typical
09:51 <@Corydon76> Also, I rather doubt that was caused by the PPI.
09:52 < aestetix> That's quite a nickname for your dong
09:52 <@Corydon76> Yeah, I wouldn't have chosen it, but it apparently scares a lot of people
09:53 <@Dolemite> Corydon76: Pull tab?
09:53 <@Corydon76> Dolemite: lol
09:53 < aestetix> "Hey, what sex position do you want to do tonight?" "How about a keg stand?"
09:53 < dfused> lol
09:54 < aestetix> Corydon76: so then I must ask.... are you more of a Beast, or more of a Bud Light kinda guy
09:55 <@Corydon76> I'm more of a "god, I hope this bar has hard cider" type of guy.
09:56 < aestetix> I'm just saying, if you're gonna have a beer can, you should at least make sure you have the kind of beer everyone likes
09:56 <@Corydon76> Weird how those are considered ciders in the first place, because cider is cloudy, and every one of those hard ciders is clarified, like apple juice, not cider.
09:57 <@Corydon76> I don't know the last time I've actually had a can of beer.
09:57 <@Corydon76> I tend to go for bottles or taps
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10:07 <@Corydon76> Brian Kemp just resigned as GA Secretary of State.
10:09 <@Dolemite> Something he should have done before the election.
10:09 <@Dolemite> He must be confident that his voter suppression was enough for him to win.
10:10 <@Corydon76> Or that his deputies will follow through, which he then gets to reward them with jobs in his administration
10:10 <@Corydon76> There could be enough provisional ballots that swing the election the other way
10:11 < aestetix> https://old.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/9vat6a/hi_reddit_im_lisa_desjardins_of_the_pbs_newshour/
10:11 < PigBot> Hi Reddit! I’m Lisa Desjardins of the PBS NewsHour. AMA about the 2018 midterms! : IAmA (at old.reddit.com) http://tinyurl.com/y8aggen4
10:11 < aestetix> one of the few actual news outlets left
10:12 < aestetix> didn't know Newshour has more viewers than CNN when it airs
10:13 < aestetix> that gives me a lot of hope
10:13 <@Corydon76> That's one of the hazards of being a 24-hour news channel.  Viewers are not concentrated to any particular time
10:14 < aestetix> And you are able to focus on actually covering news, instead of non-stop sensationalism
10:14 <@Corydon76> Which I'm sure makes advertising rates drop
10:18 <@Corydon76> And some new details on the Thousand Oaks shooting.  The assailant had an extended magazine, which was already illegal to possess in California.  I wonder what new provision will be dreamed up in the California legislature in response.
10:19 <@Corydon76> "It wasn't illegal enough.  We have to make it more illegal.  That will surely make us safer."
10:24 <@oddball> I've already seen people use this shooting as proof that we need to ban the AR-15... which is already essentially illegal in Cali and wasn't used.
10:25 <@oddball> (Yes, you can technically own an AR-15 in California, but it requires a boatload of mods... including a fixed magazine)
10:28 <@Evilpig> news should not be governed by advertising rates
10:29 <@brimstone> which news sources don't take money to advertise other companies?
10:29 <@Evilpig> news should be considered a public service, but you can't get that funded by the government because of their jackhole agendas would be twisting the news just as badly as they do now to bring in advertising dollars
10:33 <@Corydon76> The best model for news is probably the traditional media, which make most of their money on entertainment shows, then use some of the money to pay for maintaining a news staff.
10:33 <@brimstone> i think the subscription model could work well, but people really like free things
10:34 <@Corydon76> Still, it's helpful for them to practice full-disclosure when a story might be perceived as conflicting with an advertiser's wishes
10:34 <@Corydon76> brimstone: it can.  See traditional newspapers.
10:35 <@Corydon76> Also, subscription works for companies wanting news analysis.
10:35 <@Corydon76> And cable, as well, but to a lesser extent.
10:36 <@Corydon76> Heck, Netflix, Prime, and Hulu are all subscription models.
10:41 <@Corydon76> Netflix News would be quite an interesting type of show, especially if you could go back and watch previous days' news at will.
11:24 < xray> https://www.techspot.com/news/77316-69-year-old-man-wanting-more-tinder-matches.html
11:24 < PigBot> Man launches lawsuit to lower his age by 20 years, says it will increase his Tinder matches - TechSpot (at www.techspot.com) http://tinyurl.com/ybo39nlw
11:36 <@Corydon76> If he thinks being 49 will increase his Tinder matches, he's already delusional.
11:36 <@Corydon76> Only thing that would increase matches as far as age goes is being under 25.
11:52 < dasunt> Quick question - if I had to send a secure link to a document, and I sent an email link that, upon clicking it, would allow you to view the document, would you consider that sending a secure link or not?
11:54 < xray> Is the email encrypted?
11:54 < dasunt> Nope.
11:55 < xray> then anyone who intercepted the email could click on the link and see the document so, no it is not secure.
11:55 < dasunt> Nor is there any other forms of authentication needed before accessing the document.
11:55 < xray> That is security through obscurity.
11:56  * dasunt ponders if he should even bring this up at work.
11:56 < xray> Even if you have end-to-end encryption (like and encrypted email) it doesn't grantee that an attacker can't compromise an end point and get access to the email. But you have done due diligence.
11:57 < xray> Un-encrypted email should never be considered a secure form of communication.
11:57 <@Corydon76> dasunt: depends upon your reputation within the company.  If you're low level support, I wouldn't mention it to anybody except someone who you have evidence to suggest will take the threat seriously
11:58 <@Corydon76> And if they don't take it seriously, drop it.
11:58 <@Corydon76> That's your due diligence.
11:58 < dasunt> I may shoot an email to CMA, and then drop it.
11:59 < xray> My rule is to report it.
11:59 < dasunt> I'm just thinking ass-covering.  Seriously.
12:00 <@Corydon76> If it ever becomes a problem, you have evidence to show that you presented the threat, and it was dismissed, so it's not on you.
12:00 < xray> Professional due diligence.
12:00 <@Corydon76> Yes, CYA.
12:00 <@Corydon76> It's not your job to evaluate the costs of doing business.
12:00 <@Corydon76> If that's a risk that someone higher than you wants to take, that's their privilege
12:01 < xray> I have a professional obligation (since they pay me and expect me to pay attention) to report it. Past that it is their responsibility to do something about it.
12:01 <@Corydon76> xray: exactly
12:02 < xray> In the event it becomes a criminal matter I have my email, but that is not why I sent it.
12:03 < xray> If I feel an employer is reckless with sensitive data, depending on the data you can be a whistle blower.
12:03 <@Corydon76> I don't think criminal matter; I think about after a breach, and the CEO wants someone to blame, you have a get-out-of-jail-free card when it comes to the CEO's ire.
12:03 < xray> Corydon76: True
12:03 < xray> But If that is really an issue then I'm working for the wrong company.
12:03 <@Corydon76> Whistleblower is one of those things that you really need to be committed to, because it often means loss of job.
12:04 <@Corydon76> xray: If I keep my head down, and appear thoughtful to our CEO, I can coast to retirement in 20 years.
12:04 < xray> Corydon76: I agree, if you go that route consider your employment burned and probably future employment in the field as well.
12:04 <@Corydon76> Or 25 or 30, whatever
12:05 <@Corydon76> Or, who knows.  I could be dead in 10 of a heart attack
12:05 < xray> Every day that passes makes my skill set even more valuable.
12:06 <@Corydon76> My skill set itself isn't valuable.  The fact that they'd probably have to hire someone at twice my pay to replace me is.
12:06 < xray> Corydon76: It can happen at any time, I've already died once, since I was in the ER when it happened they managed to get me on a respirator until I could breath on my own three days later.
12:06 < xray> I had a second brush with death also in the ER
12:07 <@Corydon76> Yeah, I'm already on borrowed time since I had my gall bladder out.  That pain was the only time that had me seriously considering eating a bullet.
12:07 < xray> different circumstances though and I can't count the number of close calls ( an inch to the right or left sort of things).
12:08 < xray> Corydon76: I feel ya. There is no explaining that experience to anyone who hasn't been there. I found out that doctors (nor my wife) take it very well when you ask them if it is OK to die now.
12:09 <@Corydon76> If I lived 100 years ago, they wouldn't have known what to do, and I'd either shot myself or died of sepsis
12:09 < xray> sepsis sucks. It nearly killed me.
12:09 <@Corydon76> And frankly, I think suicide in that case is the preferred option.
12:09 < xray> so I totally appreciate the way you feel
12:10 < xray> so where were we . . . oh yeah, whistle blowing
12:10 <@Corydon76> Where we are is that it's time to take lunch.
12:10 < xray> and changing jobs if you have to whistle blow.
12:11 < xray> You are right, the time got away from me
12:11 < dasunt> Okay, CYA email sent.
12:12 < xray> Here is a parting statistic, https://www.fool.com/retirement/2017/07/29/9-baby-boomer-statistics-that-will-blow-you-away.aspx
12:12 < PigBot>  9 Baby-Boomer Statistics That Will Blow You Away -- The Motley Fool  (at www.fool.com) http://tinyurl.com/y7ujdhfm
12:12 < xray> There are 10,000 reaching retirement per day.
12:13 < dasunt> I kind of wonder what that will due to stocks.
12:13 < xray> So if you have a hot skill set (like info sec) then everyday that passes makes you an even hotter commodity
12:15 < xray> Don't settle for a crappy job. Expect the same level of excellence from your employer that they expect from you.
12:15 < dasunt> Oh, I have a crappy job right now.
12:15 < xray> Of course that may mean stepping up your game but isn't that what professionals do?
12:15 < dasunt> Pondering what I should do for a career move.
12:16 < xray> What do you do?
12:17 <@Corydon76> dasunt: I'm partial to web programming, and in particular, backend work.
12:17 <@Corydon76> Once you assume a good position, you can branch into infosec if you choose
12:17 < dasunt> xray: Right now, support.
12:17 < dasunt> And watching my skills rot.
12:18 <@Corydon76> Trying to go from support directly to infosec is a challenge
12:18 < dasunt> I've done light sysadmin in the past as well.
12:18 <@Corydon76> Because it looks to management as you just being paranoid.
12:18 < xray> The better your sys admin skills the better you are at info sec
12:19 < xray> You will see a lot of companies looking for experienced people.
12:20 < xray> There is a huge shortage and it is only going to get worse. Info sec companies look for attitude and aptitude and will train for skill.
12:21 < xray> Get plugged in to info sec related groups and network.
12:21 < dasunt> I've done sysadmin, some light programming, scriptiong, etc.
12:21 < xray> You can also train on your own and get certs that will open doors.
12:21 < dasunt> Hardware, software, light data recovery, asystem migration, blah blah blah.
12:21 < xray> dasunt: Don't underestimate the value of those skills in info sec.
12:21 < dasunt> Okay, AFK for about 30, but I would like to return to this discussion.
12:22 < xray> OK, I'll be here.
12:40 <@Dagmar> RUn while you can
12:40 < xray> ?
12:40 <@Dagmar> geg
12:40 <@Dagmar> @#$#@$ heh
12:41 < xray> are you OK
12:43 <@Dagmar> No I want to kill noobs
12:43 <@Dagmar> Lots and lots of noobs
12:43 <@Dagmar> ##Linux today appears to be all about "I haf this probvlem where this dont werk"
12:44 <@Dagmar> ...to which I say "do this simple thing to diagnose and shrink the number of things it could be"
12:44 <@Dagmar> ...and to which they say "NO I DID THIS OTHER THING WAI WONT IT WERK"
12:44 <@Dagmar> ...and "U R NOT THE BOSS OF ME"
12:44 <@Dagmar> *Fuck* these people.
12:45 < dasunt> Meh, it was 15 minutes, not 30.
12:45 < xray> I used to teach troubleshooting. You have to keep splitting the problem in half until what is left is the problem. That is the simple version.
12:45 < dasunt> Quicksort.  :)
12:45 < xray> Half is metaphorical. The halves do not need to be the same size,
12:46 < xray> Dagmar: Some people are not trainable.
12:46 < dasunt> I don't think some people can troubleshoot.
12:46 < dasunt> Or else I suck at explaining it.
12:47 < xray> Not because there is something wrong with them, they just refuse to cooperate with the process.
12:47 <@Dagmar> God when they get bent out of shape because hte halfs arne't precisely equal in size I want to kill
12:47 < dasunt> But I'll say something like "Okay, let's test to see if it's the network by checking a web page.  Can you open up your web browser such as Internet Explorer or Chrome?"
12:47 < dasunt> And they'll just get frustrated.
12:48 < dasunt> "But XYZ isn't working!  Why are you wasting time with the browser!"
12:48 < xray> I don't believe in apologizing for being good at what I do.
12:49 <@Dagmar> ...and now it comes out that the last jackass who couldn't login to X for some reason was using WSL
12:49 <@Dagmar> Fuck these people
12:49 < xray> I got this way by recognizing skill in others and then learning to do it the way they did.
12:49 < xray> I call it an apprentice attitude.
12:50 <@Dagmar> These people are all D-K sufferers
12:50 < xray> Some have it an cultivate it and other strain at the bit.
12:50 <@Dagmar> Welcome to the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect channel
12:50 < PigBot> Dunning–Kruger effect - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/ch94y5w
12:50 < xray> I don't know why and at this point in my life I don't care.
12:51 < xray> I have nothing to prove.
12:51 < xray> I can fix it, fast, and they can't.
12:51 <@Dagmar> That's about the way I feel about this craqp
12:51 < xray> I'll happily share how I did it.
12:51 <@Corydon76> Dagmar: you might enjoy the task I'm on now.
12:52 <@Corydon76> I'm inserting a filter into the print system and transmuting it into something else, if it's a certain type of document getting printed
12:53 <@Dagmar> Maybe.  I generally avoid the shit out of CUPS
12:53 <@brimstone> same
12:53 <@Dagmar> Inserting shims into an information pipeline I'm cool with tho
12:53 <@brimstone> anything that interfaces with humans, really
12:53 <@brimstone> except this keyboard
12:53 <@brimstone> i love this keyboard
12:54 <@brimstone> my mouse is also pretty dope
12:54 <@Corydon76> It's even better.  It's a system that was translated to Linux from its own OS, so when it runs a print job, it runs a script to invoke lpr.
12:54 < xray> brimstone: What are you using?
12:54 <@brimstone> a 10 year old performance mx
12:54 <@Corydon76> All of the printers are named lp1..lp2.....lp9999
12:55 <@brimstone> the clicker is starting to go though
12:55 <@brimstone> and this v60 polestar is new and fancy
12:55 < xray> I'm using a Unicomp (IBM Model M only new, with USB and a Windows Key)
12:55 <@Corydon76> and the setup program appends to /etc/hosts to define lpN to whatever IP address
12:56 < xray> Corydon76: that is some seriou sold school printing
12:58 <@Corydon76> xray: from the late 80s/early 90s.  the OS was called Universe, the database Unibase, and it was once owned by IBM.
12:58 < xray> that explains using line printers
12:59 <@Corydon76> Oh, and the system renders PCL to the printers and sets up all the CUPS printers as RAW devices
12:59 <@Corydon76> It originally contemplated only HP and Zebra printers.
12:59 < xray> which version of PCL?
13:00 <@Corydon76> Good question.  Can I look at the raw file and determine that?
13:00 <@Corydon76> Most of the PCL file is just plain text.
13:01 < xray> I'm not sure that PCL 6 is backwards compatible
13:01 < xray> This might help https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer_Command_Language
13:01 < PigBot> Printer Command Language - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/nrljqf7
13:07 <@Corydon76> Looks like PCL 6e is not backwards compatible, though the others are.
13:08 <@opticron> brimstone, just buy a set of replacement mouse button switches from cherry?
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13:20 <@brimstone> for my mouse?
13:20 <@brimstone> that sounds like more hassle than buying a new mouse
13:24 < xray> My mouse costs less than $25 so when it goes wonky due to over use or dirt I just buy another one.
13:30 <@Dagmar> I used to take that approach and then I decided I'd rather use a nice mouse that I only occasionally have to clean
13:30 <@Dagmar> ...as opposed to using a shitty mouse all the time that I only occasionally throw away to replace with another shitty mouse.
13:32 < xray> I like this mouse. It works great for years on just about any surface but glass and even then it works if the glass is a bit dirty.
13:32 < xray> Uses one AA battery a year.
13:32 < xray> and is small so it doesn't take up much room in my back pack
13:33 < xray> I don't game with it
13:33 < xray> If you are doing gaming I recommend a wired mouse
13:33 < xray> for best performance a PS/2 mouse assuming your machine has a port
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13:37 < xray> But if you need PS/2 over USB then you must be one serious gamer
13:46 < TheDukh> I just built a computer within the past month, and it had PS/2 ports on it
13:48 < xray> for hardcore gaming you can't beat a PS/2 keyboard and mouse.
13:49 < xray> It takes a lot of practice and getting your hat handed to you before your skills get to the point that your hardware is limiting your performance.
13:51 < xray> I had this happen and had to replace my keyboard and mouse (both wired USB). I have not gotten to the point where I must have PS/2 to overcome hardware limitations. I'm not sure I will ever get to that point.
13:51 < xray> There are two gaming camps, keyboard and mouse (pc gaming), and controller (console gaming). Generally they do not play each other in a competition.
13:52 < xray> dasunt: DId you have any more questions about getting into info sec?
14:02 < dasunt> xray: I do, but unfortunately real life kicked in.  Maybe later?
14:02 < xray> OK
14:04 < dasunt> I do need to get out of where I'm at, before I either walk off the job or have a mental breakdown.
14:04 < dasunt> Environment is getting toxic.
14:05 < dasunt> All I want to do is have a job where I don't have to play politics.
14:06 < dasunt> Well, among other things.
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18:27 < Synx_hm> woohoo i finally have an interview
18:27 < Synx_hm> for a job in bum fuck nowhere socali
18:35 <@Evilpig> grats on the interview, boo on cali
18:46 < Synx_hm> boooo creepy foot dr
22:04 < K`Tetch> So, went to change my cable modem because aparantly after a year or two in my house, they go bad..
22:04 < K`Tetch> got a cisco one, and it didn't work at all
22:04 < K`Tetch> had to take that back and exchange again
22:04 < K`Tetch> maybe i won't join/part so much now
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22:05 < dfused> then how will i know that I'm still connected ...you're like PINGPONG
22:07 < K`Tetch> join a busy channel?
22:07 < K`Tetch> I used to have #wikinews-feeds for that, but they killed the news bots there
22:07 < dfused> lol
22:07 < K`Tetch> i have a pre channel on efnet though
22:07 < dfused> cisco is fairly constant at least with join/parts
22:08 < K`Tetch> its funny, they launched wikitribute with rgeat fanfaer and no-one asked 'why dont they call it wikinews' - because then they'd go 'oh, wait, that already exists, and its the exact same thing, and they let it die...
22:08 < K`Tetch> and not a word about my spelling
22:08 < K`Tetch> it's late i'm tired, and i've been writing a lot today
22:09 < dfused> i cant type for shit these days
22:09 < dfused> and have stopped caring
22:10 < K`Tetch> been writing a new piece for tomorow - how the marines have significant portions of blame for all the 2nd amendment bollocks
22:10 < K`Tetch> and there's a erason its for tomorow, and that is?
22:10 < dfused> dun dun DUN
22:11 < K`Tetch> because tommorow is the anniversary of the founding of the continental marines (you've no idea how many times when writing that I wanted to write 'colonial marines')
22:12 < K`Tetch> and the us marines likes to pretend it has something to do with them. except the continental marines were disbanded in 1783, while the us marines were founded 11 july 1798, with not a single person from the former in the latter
22:12 < dfused> you should read The Stolen Village
22:13 < K`Tetch> oh, about the barbary stuff?
22:13 < dfused> yeah
22:14 < K`Tetch> yeah, that cracks me up too - the marine hymn goes on about 'to the shores of triploi' - the only time they were within 100 miles of tripoli, was after the fighting, as they sailed home
22:17 < dfused> i dont even know whats real anymore
22:23 < K`Tetch> ok, i'll make it easy
22:23 < K`Tetch> what i say is real
22:23 < K`Tetch> i never lie
22:24 < dfused> works for me...I'm just an avg american
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