--- Log opened Wed Nov 07 00:00:53 2018 00:37 -!- Dagmar [dagmar@unaffiliated/dagmar] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:42 -!- Dagmar [dagmar@c-69-247-146-235.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 01:42 -!- Dagmar [dagmar@c-69-247-146-235.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 01:42 -!- Dagmar [dagmar@unaffiliated/dagmar] has joined #se2600 01:42 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dagmar] by ChanServ 01:43 <@Dagmar> rmx77: "Special sauce" like that usually requires a Google search with crossed fingers to see if anyone has written something to support that hardware. 01:43 <@Dagmar> @#$@# 02:08 < aestetix> well the election went as I thought 02:08 < aestetix> except that the democrats elected that complete idiot Ocasio-Cortez, which will come back to haunt them 02:09 <@Dagmar> Michigan. Heh. 02:10 <@Dagmar> There are fools trying to tell the media it's going to cost them money 02:11 <@Dagmar> "There would also be a state licensing system through the Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs, which would cost the state millions of dollars to create." 02:11 <@Dagmar> Oh noes. How will they ever manage to find a way to pay for the bureau that assesses the taxes 02:11 <@Dagmar> Who has ever even attempted such a thing 02:11 <@Dagmar> 02:12 <@Dagmar> "According to a report from the non-partisan Senate Fiscal Agency, recreational marijuana could bring $262 million in tax revenue by 2023." 02:12 <@Dagmar> *giggle* 02:12 <@Dagmar> They're funny. 02:12 <@Dagmar> They're the one agency that somehow always _way_ underestimates returns 03:09 < aestetix> well 03:09 < aestetix> let's just hope that the democrats use their majority in the house to press trump on his tax returns 03:42 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@47.39.211.239] has joined #se2600 03:43 -!- dfused [~flajackun@c-71-197-193-151.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:43 -!- dfused [~flajackun@c-71-197-193-151.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 03:45 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:30 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 06:40 * aestetix hugs Dolemite 07:50 <@Corydon76> aestetix: They will subpoena his tax records. I just hope they're smart about it, and release juicy revelations about his tax returns at politically relevant points in time. 07:51 <@Corydon76> Sadly, they're better at judging the wrong time to release records, and the news gets buried. 07:53 < aestetix> well I mean 07:53 < aestetix> I think there's a good chance that there are impeachable offenses that will come out of the tax returns 07:53 <@Corydon76> The Republicans have been experts at dragging investigations out and reinvestigating the same points, so they can come up with new headlines 07:53 < aestetix> (because otherwise, why wouldn't he just release them) 07:54 <@Corydon76> They're not impeachable offenses if they occurred BEFORE he ascended to the Presidency. 07:54 < aestetix> Unless they impact decisions he makes as president 07:54 <@Corydon76> Besides, you need a two-thirds vote of the Senate to convict, and that's just not going to happen 07:55 <@Corydon76> What's potentially more likely is that Congress works to eliminate some of those tax loopholes, and potentially restrains the power of the Presidency, and does it in a must-pass bill. 07:56 < aestetix> well for example.... let's say the tax returns show that there are some business interests that benefit unfairly from the tax reform he signed into law 07:56 <@Corydon76> Essentially making it unlikely that the President vetos it, or if he does, it significantly damages his reelection prospects in 2020. 07:57 <@Corydon76> I think the House should make the middle class tax cuts permanent, but pay for them by adding more tax tiers at the high end, with a potential top bracket rate of 70% or more. 07:57 < aestetix> speaking of which 07:57 < aestetix> the tech startup tax in san francisco passed 07:58 < aestetix> so now tech companies are going to be taxed, and the tax money will go to help the homeless 07:58 <@Corydon76> And just dare the Senate leadership not to take it up, or for Trump to veto middle class tax cuts 07:58 < aestetix> btw what was the voter turnout like? 07:59 <@Corydon76> aestetix: I see the tech companies fleeing to other cities, and tax revenue overall going down, as property values take a correction 07:59 <@Corydon76> Did you see that Amazon buried the lede on HQ2 yesterday? 07:59 < aestetix> Corydon76: if that means the cost of living in SF also goes down and normal people can afford to live there, I am fine 07:59 <@Corydon76> They're splitting HQ2 between two cities, one just outside DC, and the other NYC. 08:00 < aestetix> it's just when you need to make $250k a year to feed a family of four 08:00 <@Corydon76> Nashville is getting to be that way, too 08:00 <@Corydon76> Our hotel prices, at times, are beating SF/SV 08:01 <@Corydon76> It's one of the reasons why I moved out of Davidson county 08:01 <@Corydon76> But I'm still close enough to attend events there 08:38 -!- K`Tetch [~no@47.39.211.239] has joined #se2600 08:38 -!- K`Tetch [~no@47.39.211.239] has quit [Changing host] 08:38 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has joined #se2600 08:40 <@Evilpig> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1533964 08:40 < PigBot> Bug 1533964 – sudo skips PAM account module in case NOPASSWD is used in sudoers (at bugzilla.redhat.com) http://tinyurl.com/y8hppn2n 08:41 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@47.39.211.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:52 -!- Mirage_ [~mirage@raw.thehippo.net] has joined #se2600 09:52 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Mirage_] by ChanServ 09:52 <@brimstone> thanks IBM 09:52 <@Mirage_> lol .. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/dennis-hof-brothel-owner-who-died-last-month-wins-election-n933366 09:52 < PigBot> Dennis Hof, the brothel owner who died last month, wins election (at www.nbcnews.com) http://tinyurl.com/y6wpyutx 09:53 < aestetix> haha 09:54 <@Corydon76> So what does the law provide for who assumes those duties? Does he have a wife? Or does another elected official get to choose his replacement? 10:07 <@Mirage_> IMO the biggest question is how someone who was dead was left on the ballot. 10:08 -!- Mirage_ [~mirage@raw.thehippo.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:08 < aestetix> Depends on the state 10:08 < aestetix> When Mel Carnahan was elected in 2000 after dying in a plane crash, his wife took the seat 10:09 <@Corydon76> That's not surprising. There are specific procedures in place for getting on the ballot, and once someone does, there's not enough time to go through another primary before the general election is held. 10:09 <@Mirage> seems like a no-brainer to me...dead ppl can't assume the office, so they should be removed. That's such common sense that there shouldn't need to be rules are laws about it. 10:10 <@Corydon76> So we go through the same process, with another person being selected as a replacement, if the person dies from anytime between when the primary cutoff occurs and the final day in office, should they win in the general 10:11 <@Corydon76> Mirage: many states, like Tennessee, also have a provision whereby if someone is not running, then a write-in vote won't be counted. So if the person dies, then the other party would be the only one who could win. 10:11 <@Corydon76> That creates a perverse incentive for the more extreme elements to murder the candidate they don't like. 10:15 <@Mirage> yeah, but this guy was 72 and died of natural causes. 10:17 <@Corydon76> So if the preferred candidate dies, the non-preferred candidate assumes office? 10:18 <@Mirage> Personally I'd think tht in that case the same provisions would kick in as if someone had died in office 10:19 <@Mirage> And there may have been more than one other person running...there are more than just 2 political parties 10:23 <@rhia> allowing the party to keep a dead person on the ballot allows people to vote _for the party_ which then allows the party to figure out how to replace the deceased per their state law. It's simply insurance against assassination. 10:23 <@Corydon76> There weren't. https://ballotpedia.org/Nevada_State_Assembly_District_36 10:23 < PigBot> Nevada State Assembly District 36 - Ballotpedia (at ballotpedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/y852nye6 10:37 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bvhpswiznxqrqavr] has joined #se2600 11:38 < dasunt> Oh, so today Trump's tax returns are back to being complex. 11:38 < dasunt> Before the election, Trump said he wouldn't mind if a democratically controlled House subpeonaed his tax returns. 11:51 < dasunt> Jebus, this Trump press conference is like listening to your senile uncle. 11:52 < dasunt> He just said that if Trump had economic gains like he did, it would be all over the news. 11:53 < dasunt> Er, if Obama had econimic gains like he [Trump] did, it would be all over the news. 11:56 <@Dolemite> s/senile/racist & senile/ 11:57 < dasunt> Yep. 11:58 < dasunt> When the reporter asked him the question about Crimea, it's clear he didn't understand what the reporter meant by "President Putin" 11:58 <@Dolemite> "We need to people." 12:01 < dasunt> Unlike that failing Obama. 12:06 < aestetix> this is great 12:06 <@Dolemite> Nothing like logging in to a conference call... and then really needing to go to the bathroom. 12:08 < dasunt> I'd say mute your headset, but that only matters if you care. 12:23 < Synx_hm> i once took a zoom meeting from the tub 12:24 < Synx_hm> however the fucking default settings on zoom turn on your webcam without giving you a clear indication 12:24 < Synx_hm> really bad default there 12:24 < Synx_hm> thankfully i keep a sticker over my camera 12:24 < Synx_hm> but i watched a dude picking his nose that had no idea he was broadcasting to the entire meeting 12:24 < Synx_hm> again really bad defaults there zoom 12:27 <@Mirage> Synx_hm: so far Zoom has been unable to figure out how to remove the sticker placed over the camera. 12:29 < Synx_hm> praise be 12:30 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@66-38-50-21.pool.dsl.duo-county.com] has joined #se2600 12:30 <@Mirage> last week a guy in one of the meetings unblocked him camera so we could all see his Jack Skellington costume and the various ppl running around in his office for their costume contest 12:31 <@Mirage> was pretty amusing when latecommers started joining the meeting after he'd explained what he was doing while waiting on everyone to show up 12:35 <@Mirage> In the CRQ last night I found it funny that Seamus ("Shay-mus") kept calling Uyen ("Win") "U-en" because she kept calling him "See-mus" 12:37 <@Mirage> I'm sure I'm a racist since i found that funny, though, since she's vietnamese and he's irish... 12:57 <@Evilpig> pretty sure that's not what makes you a racist. its' the fact that you're white. you gotta be white to be a racist, so sayith the internets 12:58 < xray> But what if you "identify" as some other race? 12:59 <@Evilpig> that's cultural appropriation and it's now allowed if you're white 12:59 <@Evilpig> anything else, you're okay to do 12:59 < aestetix> xray: ask Rachel Dolezal 12:59 < xray> How do you even define white? 12:59 < xray> color alone? 12:59 <@Evilpig> by tax percentage 12:59 < xray> cultural back ground? 12:59 <@Evilpig> if you pay in every month and they come back for more at the end of the year. chances are, you're white 12:59 <@Evilpig> and male 13:01 < aestetix> the 80s called, they want their 2nd wave feminist bullshit back 13:02 < xray> OK I get it. 1. Arbitrarily makes some rules to classify people into good and evil. 2 Get the government to persecute the "evil" ones for you. 13:02 < aestetix> the rule is "feelings" 13:02 < xray> Seems reasonable 13:03 < xray> I hereby declare that anyone that uses IRC is a criminal and there for evil. 13:03 < xray> s/there fore/therefore/ 13:04 -!- Dolemite is now known as Evilmite 13:04 < xray> Wow that was surprisingly easy and I feel so morally superior now. What a nice feeling. I should do this more often. 13:05 -!- Evilmite is now known as Dolemite 13:05 < xray> Wait . . . maybe it's the coffee. 13:05 < xray> Oh please let it be the coffee. 13:08 < xray> I'm so sick of my phones being abandoned after two years. I can buy a crappy used car for less that will work for a lot longer. 13:09 < xray> What I want is a Linux based phone based on open hardware that is patchable without having to wait for the vendor or the phone company. 13:09 < xray> to release the patch. 13:11 <@opticron> https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/ but it's not really out yet afaict 13:11 < PigBot> Librem 5 – Purism (at puri.sm) http://tinyurl.com/ybyz4czr 13:11 <@opticron> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Librem-5-October-15-2018 13:11 < PigBot> Purism Shares The Latest Librem 5 Smartphone Progress - Dev Kits Going Out Soon - Phoronix (at www.phoronix.com) http://tinyurl.com/y7dpqv9c 13:12 < xray> I also want to get a decent case for it like an Ottebox 13:12 <@opticron> lol 13:13 <@opticron> get a phone from google 13:13 <@opticron> you don't fit the niche that flagship phones are being sold to 13:13 < xray> Librem is a like a Kickstarter project. I've had enough of them thank you. I want something that is real. Supported and not mythicalware. 13:13 <@opticron> or really any phones 13:14 < xray> Google abandons phones after 3 years. 13:14 < xray> They just abandoned the Nexus 5. 13:14 <@opticron> your best bet is to get something with an unlockable bootloader that is well supported by lineage 13:15 < xray> Thanks, I'll check that out. 13:15 <@opticron> it's still android, but it's community supported and generally gets security updates quickly 13:15 < xray> that still works 13:15 <@opticron> I'm pretty sure they support the N5 13:16 <@opticron> https://download.lineageos.org/hammerhead 13:16 < PigBot> LineageOS Downloads (at download.lineageos.org) http://tinyurl.com/zzrwx5j 13:16 < xray> yep they do. Looking at the page now. 13:16 <@opticron> not the latest yet, though 13:17 <@opticron> looks like they're still on nougat for N5 13:17 < xray> Not a problem if it gets security patches 13:18 <@opticron> I'm actually surprised the N5 is lasting this long for you 13:19 <@opticron> the hardware on my was physically falling apart, but then again I got a release day batch 13:19 <@opticron> s/my/mine/ 13:19 < xray> Why? Does the hardware normally just crap out? 13:19 <@opticron> no, but early batches usually have minor manufacturing problems 13:19 < xray> When we got it I also got a good case for it. 13:20 < xray> A rugged case makes a big difference in the longevity of the device. 13:20 <@opticron> the plastic around the edge had cracked due to cold welds and the back wasn't pressing hard enough to keep the GPS antenna connected (maybe related to the other problem) 13:20 < xray> We bought this one late in the life of the phone. 13:20 <@Evilpig> xray: they just dropped the nexus 6p too 13:20 <@opticron> that's probably why your N5 is lasting longer than mine did 13:21 <@opticron> they worked out all the issues 13:21 < xray> Yeah I heard that today. Which is what got me looking. 13:21 <@Evilpig> I just put a new battery in my 6p. I can live without the security updates for a while i'm on android 8.1 so that should have at least a year or more of life left in it 13:21 <@opticron> I should probably drop lineage on my OG pixel 13:22 < xray> What I'm trying to figure out is if LineagOS is back porting patches to the Nexus 5. 13:24 < xray> This looks interesting https://www.plasma-mobile.org/ 13:24 < PigBot> Plasma Mobile - Plasma in your pocket (at www.plasma-mobile.org) http://tinyurl.com/y9mvunm2 13:25 < xray> I think the phone I have may be a Nexus 5X and not a Nexus 5 13:26 < xray> My wife uses it. 13:27 <@opticron> if it was *just* dropped, it's more likely a 5x 13:28 < xray> just checked, it is a 5x 13:37 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@47.39.211.239] has joined #se2600 13:41 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:47 < xray> maybe a RPi ZeroW based phone with a 3D printed case. 13:47 < xray> I'm surprised no one sells something like that 13:48 < TheDukh> So, Sessions just resigned. 13:49 <@brimstone> this is the worst season ever 13:50 <@Corydon76> TheDukh: he wanted to spend more time cleaning his white sheets? 13:50 < TheDukh> That's a lot of bleach. 13:52 <@Corydon76> And the Girl Scouts just sued the Boy Scouts over their name change. 13:53 <@brimstone> opticron, xray: i just picked up an N5 to use as a burner for things. it's running an updated lineageOS 13:54 < xray> brimstone: Good to know. Will you be at dc404 this month? I would like to talk about the phone. 13:56 <@brimstone> unclear, 50% likely 13:57 < xray> I'm bringing NetKotH so no pressure 13:57 <@brimstone> ok cool 13:59 < xray> https://lists.zx2c4.com/pipermail/wireguard/2018-November/003526.html 13:59 < PigBot> WireGuard for iOS - TestFlight (at lists.zx2c4.com) http://tinyurl.com/y9yn5f24 15:23 < dasunt> Sessions is gone. 15:41 <@Corydon76> dasunt: and the acting Atty General is worse. 15:42 <@Corydon76> He actually, in a CNN interview, went on the record about how he'd impede Mueller if he had the power. Now, he does. 15:43 <@Corydon76> That said, it's a clear-cut case of obstruction of justice, and Mueller could indict him for the act. 15:43 <@Corydon76> And now that the House has the will to investigate, they could easily just take over and hire their own attorney to proceed in Mueller's footsteps 15:47 < dasunt> Oooh, I'd like to see Mueller indict. 15:47 < dasunt> Obviously the acting AG has the means, and he's made the claims. 15:48 < dasunt> I (who am not a lawyer) find that credible evidence of an attempt to interfere with a criminal investigation. 15:51 <@Corydon76> It's not a credible attempt until he takes the action 15:52 <@Corydon76> That said, I think the action itself could be considered an unlawful action, so it should not be obeyed, even if made. 16:06 <@Dagmar> Sessions is out. :( 16:24 * dasunt just has an odd conversation with his boss where he really wants to point out that he was (a) never part of a decision, (b) never was told of the decision, and (c) didn't know this was happening. 16:27 < dasunt> Probably not a good sign of my working environment that I am hesitant to ask to be made aware of these policy changes when they happen. 16:37 < K`Tetch_> anyone want to see a 291,000+ line excel document listing absentee voters in Ga? 16:37 < K`Tetch_> http://sos.ga.gov/index.php/elections/november_6_2018_general_elect 16:37 < K`Tetch_> ion_absentee_ballot_return_data?fbclid=IwAR1joxAKRuRgqYhUCHMvH5ELOasijSZ 16:37 < K`Tetch_> sKXI0N2o7ou73C_WzgNb7kQH3Iu4 16:37 < PigBot> 404 Error (at sos.ga.gov) 16:37 < K`Tetch_> bah, 16:38 < K`Tetch_> http://sos.ga.gov/index.php/elections/november_6_2018_general_election_absentee_ballot_return_data?fbclid=IwAR1joxAKRuRgqYhUCHMvH5ELOasijSZsKXI0N2o7ou73C_WzgNb7kQH3Iu4 16:38 < PigBot> november 6 2018 general election absentee ballot return data (at sos.ga.gov) http://tinyurl.com/yddqk586 16:52 < xray> So is that information supposed to be public? 16:52 < xray> I'm guessing not. 17:16 <@brimstone> K`Tetch_: i did NOT expect that link to go to an xlsx file 17:20 < dfused> NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!! 20:25 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bvhpswiznxqrqavr] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 21:16 -!- Synx_hm [~Synx_hm@unaffiliated/synx-hm/x-1623004] has quit [Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.github.io] 21:18 -!- Synx_hm [~Synx_hm@unaffiliated/synx-hm/x-1623004] has joined #se2600 21:54 -!- Synx_hm [~Synx_hm@unaffiliated/synx-hm/x-1623004] has quit [Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.github.io] 22:09 -!- Mirage [~mirage@ra.thehippo.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:11 -!- Mirage [~mirage@raw.thehippo.net] has joined #se2600 22:11 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Mirage] by ChanServ --- Log closed Thu Nov 08 00:00:54 2018