--- Log opened Mon Nov 05 00:00:50 2018
02:11 <@Dagmar> hahah
02:11 <@Dagmar> Shit like that is a good reason to shove a Win95 VM into something with an exposed USB port
02:14 <@Dagmar> g00s: Surely you're not giving hte article credence
02:14 <@Dagmar> !@#!@#
06:12 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:16 <@Dolemite> Damn.    My book of face memories reminded me that it was 7 years ago, this morning, that Evilpig had sponsored the BBQ trailer at PhreakNIC and I took a picture of the smoker outside in the foggy parking lot.
06:20  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
06:22 <@Corydon76> Morning, Dol
06:23 <@Corydon76> People keep telling me I'm up early.  Feels like normal to me.
06:27 <@Dolemite> Do you have pants on when they tell you that?
06:29 <@Corydon76> I even have the barn door shut.
06:29 <@Dolemite> Well it was a serious possibility
06:33 <@Evilpig> the animals in this house are not happy with the time change.
06:33 <@Evilpig> had a cat up in my face screaming at me because the feeder didn't go off when they are used to it
06:51 <@Dolemite> Oh, and happy unwanted stepchild day, Evilpig
06:51 <@Dolemite> Er, I mean, national redhead day
07:05 <@Dolemite> Mirage: They're on to you - > https://developers.slashdot.org/story/18/11/04/077229/people-who-prefer-black-coffee-are-more-likely-to-have-psychopathic-or-sadistic-traits-study-finds
07:05 < PigBot> People Who Prefer Black Coffee Are More Likely To Have Psychopathic Or Sadistic Traits, Study Finds - Slashdot (at developers.slashdot.org) http://tinyurl.com/ycq2nctj
07:06 < aestetix> good thing I like milk and sugar
07:57 <@Mirage> Dolemite: yeah, saw that on /. last night
07:57 <@Mirage> Evilpig: ftp is boke...plz fix
07:57 <@Mirage> s/boke/broke/
07:58 <@Evilpig> I fixed it this morning
07:58 <@Evilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/bo3ytfyav8u0y5y/Screenshot%202018-11-05%2006.26.52.png?dl=0
07:58 < PigBot> Dropbox - Screenshot 2018-11-05 06.26.52.png (at www.dropbox.com) http://tinyurl.com/y796tv9x
07:58 < aestetix> I gotta say
07:58 < aestetix> I've never seen a midterm election kick up so much dust
07:59 < aestetix> but if it gets more people out to vote, then great
08:00 <@Mirage> amazingly Doctor Who wasn't that bad last night. I could have without The Doctor whining about cramps or whatever for 5 minutes or so, though..
08:00 <@Corydon76> Wow, switching my swap device from spinning disk to SSD makes a huge difference in desktop performance
08:00 <@Mirage> Female or otherwise, The Doctor should never whine...
08:38 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9FV8S5r3o8
08:39 < PigBot> Home Alone Christmas Reunion - (2019 Movie Trailer) Parody (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/y7ypk5kd
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08:43 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: Stocking stuffers for the nephews?  https://geekologie.com/2018/11/prank-candles-that-go-from-smelling-good.php
08:43 < PigBot> Prank Candles That Go From Smelling Good To Very, Very Bad - Geekologie (at geekologie.com) http://tinyurl.com/ya2of3kh
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08:46 <@Evilpig> hahah
08:46 <@Evilpig> I've got them pretty well situated now
08:46 <@Evilpig> the glitter bombs I ordered will be here today
08:47 <@Dolemite> I'd like to get some of those candles and then go find a hipster coffee shop that burns scented candles and swap one out...
08:49 < aestetix> that is a great idea
08:49 < aestetix> how long does it take to smell like shit
08:49 <@Dolemite> One hour
08:49 < aestetix> oh man that's perfect
08:49 <@Dolemite> Or a Yankee Candle Shop on Black Friday
08:50 < aestetix> is it vegan?
08:50 < aestetix> because I would love to put those in a vegan cafe
08:51 < xray> Late to the party but: Coffee is black. If you put anything in it, then it is a coffee flavored drink and not coffee.
08:51 < dasunt> xray: Agreed.
08:52 <@Corydon76> Yeah, I don't drink coffee.  I eat tiramisu.
08:52  * xray Takes a big swig of coffee that is to hot but doesn't spray it on the keyboard because it is just wrong to waste coffee.
08:53 < xray> Corydon76: I'll have to give you that one. Tiramisu is awesome.
08:54 <@Corydon76> At some point, I need to learn to make it, and perhaps even to the point of making it from memory.
08:54 <@Corydon76> I hear it's an extraordinarily difficult recipe, and making it from memory would be quite a feat.
08:58 < xray> MY daughter, who has worked for coffee companies, used to make Tiramisu. She got married and moved away so we don't have it anymore.
08:58 < xray> :(
09:00 < dasunt> Looking at the 538 breakdown for the House, and it looks that the Democrats need a D+5.6 advangage to be favored to win the house.
09:00 < dasunt> Can we get rid of gerrymandering now?
09:02 <@Corydon76> dasunt: 538?
09:03 < aestetix> dasunt: would be lovely to see that happen
09:04 < aestetix> I mean regardless of being D or R
09:04 < aestetix> gerrymandering is awful
09:04 <@Corydon76> dasunt: I think you mean for the Democrats to win the Senate.  They're already favored to win the House.
09:05 <@Corydon76> 87% chance of taking the House.
09:06 < dasunt> Corydon76: For the house.
09:06 <@Corydon76> 16% chance to take the Senate
09:06 < dasunt> They are favored, because the predicted advantage is greater than D+5.6, but there's plenty of scenarios where more people vote for Democratic representatives than Republican representatives, yet Republicans keep their majority.
09:07 < dasunt> There's no scenario where the reverse hapens.
09:07 < aestetix> Corydon76: but remember, Hillary had a 90% chance of winning
09:07 < aestetix> So I'm not sure how much faith you can put in polls
09:07 < dasunt> I think that makes sense.
09:08 <@Corydon76> aestetix: I think you don't understand statistics (to be fair, most Americans don't, either).
09:08 < dasunt> 90% chance of winning = one in every seven elections, there should be an upset.
09:08 <@Corydon76> 90% does not mean a sure thing
09:08 <@Dolemite> Yeah, polling is not really valid in the modern age.   I refuse to answer my phone if I don't know who it is, and I'm not alone.
09:08 < dasunt> (0.90 ^ 7 < .50 )
09:08 <@Dolemite> And if they spoof the caller ID, I tell them to go fuck themselves in a very non partisan way.
09:09 <@Corydon76> And yet, most Americans, if told that there's a 90% of rain, would consider the forecast to be wrong if it didn't rain
09:09 <@Dolemite> The telling, that is.   They can fuck themselves in whatever manner their chosen party does things.
09:09 < aestetix> That's because 90 is bigger than 10
09:10 <@Corydon76> Well, yeah, but the forecasters saying 90% chance are not suggesting a sure thing, and that's what most people don't understand about statistics
09:13 < dasunt> Huh, according to Texas law, it's illegal to use a wireless communication device within 100 feet of the polling stations.  I can predict that there'll be rampent voting law violations going on in Texas tomorrow.
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09:47 < Synx_hm> is slashdot still around
09:49 < dasunt> The site?  Sure.
09:51 < aestetix> are the comments on slashdot better than elsewhere?
09:51 < aestetix> because other sites (like hacker news) are basically unreadable
09:58 < Synx_hm> really, i almost exclusively read hacker news these days
10:03 < Synx_hm> but ill be honest i haven't really been on slashdot in quite a number of years so i really just kinda had forgotten it existed, good to see its still alive and well
10:06 < aestetix> Synx_hm: hacker news has gotten really bad though
10:06 < aestetix> both the articles and the comments
10:07 < Synx_hm> aestetix; i did notice the articles are starting to be completely random at times and lots of reposts
10:07 < aestetix> yep
10:07 < aestetix> lots of stuff that's not really relevant to the community and only pisses everyone off
10:07 < Synx_hm> the comments i still enjoy but thats probably because i click on articles that i dont know much about
10:07 < aestetix> or a writeup about a "I'm leaving company A and joining company B"
10:07 < Synx_hm> i do quite enjoy the DNSSEC articles because there is that one dude that always shows up and pisses all over dnssec
10:08 < aestetix> honestly a lot of it is less about tech and more about how to make money doing tech
10:08 < aestetix> or just how to get rich quick
10:08 < Synx_hm> good point, lots of here i wrote how i started my company that will not help anybody else at all
10:08 < Synx_hm> haha
10:08 < Synx_hm> im curious what you think, it feels to me like the HN community is quite small though i often see the same people posting in the comments
10:09 < aestetix> or other stuff like writeups of bad stuff that happens at a tech firm
10:09 < aestetix> which is actually pretty relevant because it exposes bad things
10:09 < aestetix> but it turns me away from the culture
10:09 < aestetix> like that one woman who, on her first day, her boss asked if she'd be open to having a threesome with him and his wife
10:09 < Synx_hm> sweet christ how can anybody think that is ok
10:09 < aestetix> yeah.....
10:10 < aestetix> you know, stuff where the people who did it honestly should be in jail
10:12 < aestetix> (I have a friend who works at one of the big companies, one of his coworkers tried to give him a microdose of acid, telling him that if he took it it would help him work more)
10:12 < aestetix> (I told him to contact HR over that)
10:13 < aestetix> ok I should stop venting. needless to say, lots of not good stuff
10:17 < Synx_hm> wait they tried to slip it in his drink or something or simply suggested he try it with full disclosure
10:18 < Synx_hm> it seems micro dosing is all the rage these days btw
10:18 < Synx_hm> if only i could get people on board with mega-dosing of speed
10:20 < aestetix> the latter
10:20 < aestetix> yes but it's illegal
10:20 < aestetix> and also.... lsd is a very powerful chemical
10:21 < dasunt> Slashdot comments are okay, but social issues tend to ver into the direction of the anti-SJW crowd.
10:22 < aestetix> I'm anti-SJW, but I'm also anti-vitriol, anti-personal attacks, and pro-reason
10:24 < aestetix> pro-respect too
10:26 < Synx_hm> aestetix, i guess it depends if i were close enough to a work contact to feel comfortable talking about LSD then id probably feel comfortable suggesting somebody try it and discussing the positive and negative consequences. but ya thats on a very case by case basis and id never pressure somebody into a substance of any kind legal or not
10:27 < Synx_hm> but i may have a different perspective i was at a company 6 years 100% remote so the few coworkers i worked with daily i built up a rather solid personal report so felt comfortable talking about personal life with them but almost always off the record in non-company chat
10:28 < aestetix> yeah that's not what this was
10:28 < aestetix> this was a coworker tleling my friend "hey, your kind of slow, if you take this it will help you be more productive"
10:29 < Synx_hm> hahaha ya thats not cool
10:31 < Synx_hm> Dagmar, the shitty part about this cups setup (its a network printer btw just required special drivers at least as far as i can tell) is i tried 3 different installs on alpine and they all resulted with prints stuck in `processing` and all of a sudden on this 3rd attempt it sent something to the printer. just wish i were home to validate what actua
10:31 < Synx_hm> lly came out if anything
10:44 <@Evilpig> you don't want to be home to verify, because it's still printing
10:44 <@Evilpig> pages and pages of garbage because of a bad driver
10:45 <@Evilpig> it'll stop once it's emptied its load all over the floor and everywhere else
10:45 < Synx_hm> hahaha
10:45 < Synx_hm> fuck
10:45 < Synx_hm> you are almost certainly correct
10:46 < Synx_hm> best part about that is i just reloaded the paper drawer before i left for this trip and it holds a full ream of paper
10:46 <@Evilpig> nice!  that's the best way for that to happen
10:47 <@Evilpig> that room will look like a bomb went off.  it'll be fantastic!
10:47 < Synx_hm> i cant wait
10:47 < Synx_hm> ill report back when i get home this coming weekend
10:47 < Synx_hm> or when my wife shits a brick tonight when she gets home from work
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13:43 < dasunt> Anyone use the "Secure Erase" option in an HP bios to erase a SSD?
13:43 < dasunt> If so, does it usually take less than a few seconds?
13:55 < xray> I have read multiple articles saying that SSD secure erase works about as well as self written encryption.
13:57 < xray> As of my most resent reading the best method of erasing an SSD is to use external full disk encryption software (not Bitlocker) to encrypt the entire drive and then throw away the key.
13:57 < Synx_hm> dasunt, iirc the SSDs that have secure erase are doing encryption in firmware on all your data and simply erase the key
13:57 < xray> Synx_hm: This is true except it doesn't work https://www.ru.nl/publish/pages/909275/draft-paper_1.pdf
13:57 < PigBot> None (at www.ru.nl) http://tinyurl.com/ydghndbu
13:59 < Synx_hm> however, erasing data on an SSD with wear leveling is questionable to begin with, my little bit of reading into it a year or so ago led me to believe that unless your data was written to begin with with your own and you `forget` the key is about the only way to erase data from an SSD no about of dban is going to clean up the wear leveling mess
14:00 < dasunt> Huh.
14:01 < Synx_hm> s/with your own/with your own encryption forced like LUKS or something/
14:01 < Synx_hm> basically raw data written to the drive can be reconstructed in the future most likely, drive self encryption or not
14:01 < xray> LUKS or VeraCrypt
14:01 < Synx_hm> that seems to be inline with that xray posted right?
14:02 < xray> Synx_hm: yes
14:02 < Synx_hm> speaking of veracrypt, i have an old truecrypt volume buried in backups can i open that with veracrypt or am i going to have to find a safe binary of TC somewhere
14:02 < xray> SSDs and FLASH memory in general (USB thumb drives, SD cards, etc.) are forensic nightmares
14:03 < xray> VeraCrypt might work
14:05 < Synx_hm> ya
14:06 < xray> As an example: when you plug a FLASH device into power it starts wear leveling in the background so from an evidence perspective it has been "modified". Therefore making a bit image for evidence modifies the evidence even if you are using a right blocker.
14:06 < dasunt> Well, think I'm going to trust the bios's "Secure Erase" option then.
14:06 < Synx_hm> xray, curious whats up with bitlocker? i dont trust it with state secrets but i dont know enough about it to say one way or another. Is it symetric key encrypted or some sort of PKI setup with multi keys where MS can decrypt it if they want to
14:07 < Synx_hm> dasunt, its about the best you can do unless you want to destroy the thing since the data is already `burned` into it
14:07 < xray> If and SSD advertises to the operating system that it has built in encryption then Bitlocker uses that instead of doing it in software. Since thee SSDs built in encryption is shit . . . don't use Bitlocker to encrypt SSDs.
14:07 < Synx_hm> assuming you dont have proof of some murder you committed on there or you are hiding data from a state actor i guess just press the i believe button
14:08 < Synx_hm> xray, oh shit
14:08 < xray> According to the paper I linked it doesn't take state level resources to recover the data.
14:08 < Synx_hm> xray, how does that work i have an SSD in right now that has drive level self encryption but there is something up with this laptop so every other boot i get asked for a bitlocker recovery key, is bitlocker not doing another layer of encrpytion at all?
14:08 < xray> The built in encryption is that bad
14:09 < Synx_hm> wow
14:10 < xray> No idea as I don't use Bitlocker. It is also possible that though the drive has built in encryption it isn't advertising it in a way that Bitlocker recognizes.
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14:10 < Synx_hm> so basically, dont give the ssd away in the future instead destroy of it in a secure way (shredder? microwave? unsure) but any data that was on it or goes on it in the future without extra encryption is going to be recoverable
14:12 < xray> It's as if FLASH drive manufacturers believe in the IoT model of security. Ship first and ask questions later, or better yet, ask no questions and just expect you to replace the shitty device with the next version.
14:12 < xray> Synx_hm: shredder.
14:13 < xray> All the work that went into spinning hard drives so that we could reliably secure them and collect evidence was completely ignored when it comes to Flash based devices.
14:15 < xray> Did you know that Flash based devices can detect then they are unstable and will switch the hardware to read only mode. When that happens it is not possible to write to them to erase data.
14:15 < xray> If you used full disk encryption you can lose the key otherwise have them ground up.
14:18 < Synx_hm> isn't there some tech where RAM becomes non-volatile, wonder what the implications are there
14:20 < xray> There is the Holy Grail of Universal Memory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_memory
14:20 < PigBot> Universal memory - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/y838k596
14:20 < xray> I have been following two technologies that promise this
14:21 < xray> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_XPoint
14:21 < PigBot> 3D XPoint - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/op66gem
14:25 < xray> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nano-RAM
14:25 < PigBot> Nano-RAM - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/ybenaanx
14:25 < dasunt> Well, it seems like each laptop will take me a minute or two to wipe.
14:25 < dasunt> Not too bad.
14:28 < xray> Of the two I like Nano-RAM which should start shipping next year https://www.notebookcheck.net/Fujitsu-will-begin-Nano-RAM-production-in-2019.315980.0.html
14:28 < PigBot> Fujitsu will begin Nano-RAM production in 2019 - NotebookCheck.net News (at www.notebookcheck.net) http://tinyurl.com/y8bgj6yu
14:29 < xray> Nano-RAM can withstand hard radiation with no bit flips. It stores data using Van der Waals force. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Waals_force
14:29 < PigBot> Van der Waals force - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/cm9rvxo
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15:07 < Synx_hm> what ever happened to rangerz?
15:16 <@Evilpig> he's taking a year off from his doctorate and moved back to ohio to take care of some family issues
15:40 < Synx_hm> ahh bummer, thanks
18:25 < Synx_hm> Well isn't this timely; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18382975
18:25 < PigBot> Self-encrypting deception: weaknesses in the encryption of solid state drives [pdf] | Hacker News (at news.ycombinator.com) http://tinyurl.com/ycoj8ky7
18:32 < Synx_hm> Ev
18:34 < Synx_hm> Evilpig, my wife got home and checked the printer apparently the oldest had pulled the paper tray to get paper to color on. When she put it back nothing printed so I'm back to non working cups hell
18:34 <@Evilpig> lol
18:34 <@Evilpig> how do you know it didn't print something that the kid drew on?
18:35 < Synx_hm> Haha possible but he is picky about the unsoiledness of his paper
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23:40 <@Mirage> Synx_hm: in my experience, that's CUPS working normally. I finally gave up on it and just bought a JetDirect card and print directly.
23:42 <@Mirage> Granted that was great on the old HP LaerJet 4Plus, but didn't work so well with the external on my HP OfficeJet.   The new Color LaserJet I have with the built-in is wonderful.
23:43 <@Mirage> One suggestion, not knowing what priter you have, but I pretty much always had luck getting _something_ out just using the built-in "HP LaserJet" driver.
23:45 <@Mirage> My biggest problem with CUPS, even after getting the JetDirect card in my old printer, was that it would claim the printer was offline when it wasn't and visa versa. Used to drive me crazy trying to it figure out until i finally decided "fuck it".
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