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03:53 < aestetix> Corydon76: dental plan. lisa needs braces. dental plan. lisa needs braces.
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06:43 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:34  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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09:34 <@dasunt> Wife bought herself a $200 ASUS laptop.  Looks cromulent.
09:53 <@Evilpig> that must be a winner
09:53 <@Corydon76> Reminds me that I need to plunk down about twice that to increase the RAM on my desktop.
09:54 <@Corydon76> I closed about 20 tabs this morning to cut down on my memory footprint, because I was swapping.
09:55 <@Corydon76> Or maybe I need a new computer with cheaper memory.
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09:59 <@dasunt> I do like the cheap ASUS laptops for light work.
10:00 <@Corydon76> Are we to the point yet where cheap desktop computers can address 64GB of memory?
10:00 <@Dolemite> Depends on where you draw the line on cheap
10:00 <@Corydon76> Optimally, under $500.
10:01 <@Dolemite> I don't think you can find any in that range that will recognize more than 32GB
10:01 <@Corydon76> The machine I have now was $1100 8 years ago, and can address 32GB.
10:01 <@Corydon76> These days, I can replace the machine on ebay for $100.
10:01 <@Dolemite> Yeah, I built one 3-4 years ago for around $500 in upgrade parts (motherboard, cpu, memory) that is capped at 32GB.
10:01 <@Corydon76> (and I did, when a flood destroyed the motherboard.  Swapped out all components.)
10:02 <@Dolemite> Yeah, I've bought decommissioned servers for dirt cheap on eBay.
10:03 <@Dolemite> Took me a long time to find a killer deal on an array, though.   Finally found a Drobo b800i for $175 and snagged it up.
10:04 <@Corydon76> I'd be fine with one that only has 32GB, as long as it can be upgraded in a couple years to 64GB
10:04 <@Corydon76> Maybe jump to 48GB along the way
10:04 <@Dolemite> Yeah, I just don't see a need for more than even 16 GB in my desktop.   Server, yes.   Then again, I don't do anything with compiled languages, anymore.
10:05 <@Corydon76> The problem I have is that I have around 20 standard tabs for normal daily work.  And that's not counting the tabs that get opened additionally during the day
10:06 <@Corydon76> And compilation isn't an issue for me, either.  It's just that browsers eat memory for breakfast, and browsers are where I develop all my apps.
10:06 <@Dolemite> ok, time to go get the free lunch we get for the Click or Treat cyber security event.   bbl
10:07 < Synx_hm> Corydon76, chrome kills my memory haha
10:07 < Synx_hm> i am also a tab hoarder
10:12 < aestetix> Synx_hm: use "The Great Suspender"
10:13 < Synx_hm> ho lee shit
10:13 < Synx_hm> in other news i need an openvpn expert or at least somebody smarter than me which is probably everybody
10:25 <@dasunt> I use Chrome (Google knows everything now), and it isn't bad on 4GB.
10:31 <@Evilpig> my firefox is currently showing 4GB of usage and chrome at 2GB but I only have like three tabs open in chrome
10:33 <@Corydon76> I have 12/16 GB in use with 20 tabs open
10:36 <@Dagmar> Three tabs open and 1.3Gb
10:36 <@Dagmar> Maybe ya'll don't need every plugin under the sun
10:37 < Synx_hm> i went to planetfitness yesterday to attend a class, what i thought was going to be here is how to use free weights and x machines to do these muscle groups turned into
10:38 < Synx_hm> trainer coming out and saying lets stretch and then proceeding to kick my ass for 30min
10:38 < Synx_hm> i almost couldn't drive home my arms were so dead
10:38 < Synx_hm> turns out its an actual lifting class haha
10:38 <@Corydon76> Synx_hm: if you have a black card, using the massage machines afterwards might be in order.
10:38 < Synx_hm> i dont :(
10:38 < Synx_hm> but ya
10:39 < Synx_hm> i did something to my shoulder though it really fucking hurts, not sore hurt like real pain inside hurt
10:40 <@Corydon76> Probably just a sprain.  Give it a couple days with an anti-inflammatory, like Advil, and you should be fine
10:40 < Synx_hm> ya had to get some muscle relaxer from the neighbor last night because i could hardly do anything it was hurting so bad
11:03 <@Dolemite> Does it hurt when you put your arm in a specific position, or does it hurt no matter what?
11:04 < Synx_hm> i can relieve the pain for about 60seconds by going to a kind of compression on the shoulder socket but other than that nothing really makes it go away
11:05 < Synx_hm> also i pissed blood last night so that was cool too
11:05 <@Dolemite> So constant ache
11:05 <@Dolemite> I would hope the two are unrelated
11:05 < Synx_hm> ha well i read heavy workout can cause it, but i also did something to my nut yesterday so who knows
11:06 <@Dolemite> The shoulder sounds a lot like what I had last year - bursitis.   Was a quick and easy fix.   Doctor got a giant needle and injected cortisone directly into the bursa sack.   After 3 days it was good as new, and I haven't had a repeat in a year.
11:06 < Synx_hm> i really hope its just a minor strain because i didn't feel anything odd when lifting
11:06 < Synx_hm> oh ive had that before, steroid injection into i think this shoulder too
11:06 <@Dolemite> Ah, well if  you were Scharzzenegering yesterday...
11:06 < Synx_hm> i haven't lifted in 8 years so to my muscles it was probably like GET TO THE CHOPPER
11:07 <@Dolemite> no shit
11:07 <@Corydon76> Dolemite: sounds like an injection of a steroid.
11:07 < Synx_hm> ha
11:07 < Synx_hm> Dolemite, also had one of those injections in my neck
11:07 < Synx_hm> that stuff feels so strange as you feel the joint getting filled up
11:07 <@Dolemite> I thought he said Cortisone, but I didn't really care what it was at that point.
11:07 < Synx_hm> i have two days of health ins left wonder if i can get in with my dr
11:07 <@Corydon76> I have a corticosteroid cream that works on the same principle that I used on hemorrhoids.
11:08 < Synx_hm> hemorrhoids fucking suck the big one
11:08 <@Dolemite> Aaaaaaaand on that note, I'm out
11:08 <@Corydon76> Yes, they do.  I enjoyed the soaks in the tub, though.
11:17 <@dasunt> So, got a sample ballot for my area that I need to review one night soon.  Question:  Should I pair my review time with a half-pint of vodka, or just go for the full liter of vodka just in case?
11:22 < Synx_hm> woohoo good call on the injection Dolemite i got in with the dr for tomorrow
11:31 < Synx_hm> stupid question, can hard linked files have different permissions?
11:33 <@xray> probably
11:33 <@Dolemite> Hopefully the injection does the trick for you
11:33 < Synx_hm> i hope so because its making it really hard to type on the keyboard
11:33 <@xray> Synx_hm: try it and see.
11:34 <@Corydon76> Synx_hm: hardlinked files, no.  Not unless it's some strange filesystem.
11:35 < Synx_hm> ha
11:35 <@Corydon76> If you want one path to be inaccessible to some users, change the permissions on the enclosing directory
11:35 < Synx_hm> Dolemite, i called the dr office and said, look i only have 2 days of health ins left can you get me in for an injection i dont care who does it you can have the janitor do it for all i care please god just help me
11:36 <@Corydon76> Specifically by removing the execute permission.
11:36 <@Dolemite> hey, honesty is often what works best
11:36 < Synx_hm> Corydon76, i was just curious no idea what that jumped into my head was just curious if the permissions were stored at the inode
11:36 <@Corydon76> Yes, permissions and file timestamps are all usually stored in the inode
11:37 < Synx_hm> cool
11:37 < Synx_hm> 'the more you know'
11:37 < Synx_hm> sometimes odd shit like that pops into my head
11:37 <@Dolemite> And knowing is half the battle!
11:37 <@Dolemite> GEE
11:37 <@Dolemite> EYE
11:37 <@Dolemite> JOE
11:37 < Synx_hm> and now this; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA-q4pXd0Pk
11:37 < PigBot> Extracting Lidocaine from Anal Lubricant (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/zuxf3nc
11:37 <@Corydon76> There is a potential for certain filesystems that don't directly support hard links to emulate them, however, and the result may be different permissions.
11:37 < Synx_hm> i love my youtube feed, never a dull day
11:38 < Synx_hm> Corydon76, i dont think ntfs natively supports soft/hard links does it
11:38 <@Corydon76> Like, I think FAT doesn't support hard links, so if you attempt to hard link, you may get soft links or nothing at all.
11:39 <@Corydon76> I think the current version of NTFS does support it; the question is whether the Linux driver does or not.
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12:17 < Synx_hm> ok im feeling really stupid
12:17 < Synx_hm> i have a dir that has permissions 777
12:18 < Synx_hm> its inside another dir that is only accessible from root
12:18 < Synx_hm> why cannot i not cd into it?
12:23 < Synx_hm> the parent folder needs r-x on all?
12:38 <@dasunt> Synx_hm: I'm curious what made Youtube suggest that.
12:39 < Synx_hm> haha as am i
12:39 < Synx_hm> probably the poster i think ive watched some of their videos lately
12:43 <@dasunt> So I rebuilt the carb that the "previous owner" supposedly rebuilt, since I had a gas leak from it.
12:44 <@dasunt> Now the motorcycle starts, but I haven't adjusted it yet.  So I've gone from a motorcycle that ran fine but leaked gas to a motorcycle that may or may not leak gas (I didn't bother letting it do so in my garage overnight) and is out of tune.
12:44 <@dasunt> Progress!
12:50 < Synx_hm> dasunt, are you in nashville area?
12:50 < Synx_hm> ive been looking for somebody to ride with
12:50 <@dasunt> Nope.  In cold north.  :(
12:50 < Synx_hm> bummer
12:50 <@dasunt> Plus haven't you been paying attention?  My motorcycle is out of tune.  ;)
12:51 < Synx_hm> well that can be corrected haha
12:51 <@dasunt> I just hope I didn't force any chunks of crap down one of the tiny passageways when I cleaned it.  Always a risk.
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13:56 <@dasunt> Random thought I had today:  Remember how the KGB liked to assassinate people in the most bizarre ways?
13:56 <@dasunt> No stabbing a dissident in a dark alley and making it look like a mugging gone bad, but instead poison bullet from an umbrella gun, etc.
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13:57 <@dasunt> It was even rumored that the Soviets had a setup to target people that had to die "naturally".  Just a hall or corridor where they could invisibly shoot radiation at them.
13:58 <@dasunt> I forget who (maybe the Romanian dictator at the time?), but one leader refused to visit the USSR, and that was thought to be one of the reasons.
13:59 <@dasunt> Anyways, it made me wonder - a dead leader of an enemy state can be useful, but so can an incompetent leader.  I wonder what research has been done to destabilize people.
14:05 <@dasunt> We know how the brain works, kinda.  At least what damages can impact impulse control.  And we have the ability to external beam therapy to kill cancer cells.
14:06 <@dasunt> Seems to me that it should not be too difficult to get a setup that will damage select areas of the brain.
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14:12 <@Shadow404> it would require way to precise a beam on a moving target
14:13 <@Shadow404> even in an OR, there are certain risks and requires the patient to be asleep and placed in a finely tuned head cage
14:14 <@Shadow404> not to mention, a long series of MRI's to map our the individuals brain center while they are awake and provoking certain regions to be turned out to watch for activity
14:14 <@dasunt> Aren't we getting to that point now though, with off-the-shelf hardware?
14:14 <@Shadow404> so if im right on your scenario where you were going with this, that would be pretty difficult, I think hes just a naturally destabilized person
14:15 <@Shadow404> dasunt: haha, well, whats your precise source of gamma radiation and berylium reflectors?
14:15 <@dasunt> Not talking about a specific person.  I was just thinking about this in general.
14:15 <@Shadow404> and how are you going about mapping active regions of a particular persons brain
14:15 <@dasunt> And mostly off the shelf hardware.  Thinking state-level actor for the rest.
14:15 <@Shadow404> remember, all brains are built differently
14:16 <@Shadow404> aka trump im guessing
14:16 <@Shadow404> gien the unstabilized comment
14:16 <@dasunt> I was actually thinking about how supposedly the allies near the end of the war were avoiding targetting Hitler because his military leadership was so bad.
14:17 <@Shadow404> impulse control, for example, is never in the same exact spot from person to person when it coems to brain lobes
14:17 <@Shadow404> dasunt: well, yeah and he was a narcotic junkie
14:17 <@Shadow404> couldnt function or live without large amounts of opiates
14:18 <@dasunt> Hmmm.  I wonder how possible it is to map impulse control on the fly...
14:18 <@Shadow404> passive mri and targetted questioning???
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14:18 <@Shadow404> not to mention, you also need to feed them some sort of beta tracer
14:18 <@Shadow404> absorbed in the right amount of dosage and near the brain
14:19 <@dasunt> Wasn't there a way just by measuring oxygen use?
14:19 <@Shadow404> not sure about that, got any links to it?
14:20 <@dasunt> fMRI does it by blood flow.
14:21 <@Shadow404> reading up on this, but keep in mind, the machine is a huge rotating magnet the size of a good sized room
14:21 <@dasunt> Also found an article written by a few science reporters about the brain impulse control area being mapped.
14:21 <@Shadow404> the problem isnt getting a person into the mri machine, that can be coaxed
14:22 <@Shadow404> one idea is to disguise this as a yearly govt official checkup routine, ask questions and map the brain during the mri
14:22 <@dasunt> Not sure how precise that is, nor if it's possible to do a brute force approach to the problem and just damage a decent-sized chunk of a person's brain.
14:23 <@dasunt> The gov't official checkup is a good idea, at least for civilians.
14:23 <@Shadow404> for some people, damaging a decent sized chunk wouldnt show they many issues from baseline imho
14:23 <@Shadow404> hell, even the president has to get a yearly checkup, wonder if that includes mri
14:27 <@Shadow404> doesnt appear so, unless an underlying issue warrants it
14:27 <@Shadow404> radiation risk vs gain i guess
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14:34 <@Shadow404> for example ware, i dont think has an impulse control section, likely non-existent entirely
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14:48 < aestetix> ok so
14:48 < aestetix> if someone is a red hat certified systems administrator
14:48 < aestetix> how good is that cert?
14:48 < aestetix> like, is there a chance they actually know systems decently?
14:49 <@Shadow404> how entry level is the cert?
14:49 < aestetix> I have no idea
14:49 < aestetix> that's all I know
14:49 < aestetix> so there are multiple levels of the cert?
14:49 <@Shadow404> cause most entry level certs are passable on book work alone
14:49 < aestetix> so I guess it's RHCSA
14:49  * Shadow404 shrugs
15:01 <@Corydon76> Any of the Red Hat certs are reasonable enough.
15:12 < aestetix> ok
15:15 <@Mirage> i really fucking hate ppl who eat while in a webex and don't mute themselves
15:16 <@Mirage> i wish one of the guys in this fucking meeting would choke to death right now
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15:43 <@Mirage> rhcsa/rhce are hands-on tests.. there is no quiz/test..configure the system as directed, script run by instructor grades it
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16:27 <@dasunt> I'm hoping everyone would die, but it's been a bad day.
16:27 <@dasunt> Or just leave me alone.
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17:47 <@Evilpig> Mirage: I usually offer to share if I do that.  then again the only time i've openly done that was when some asshole pulled me into a meeting against my will and I was just being an ass on purpose
17:51 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: in case you didn't notice stan against evil starts back tonight
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18:54 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: I noticed.  I even noticed S3E3 that IFC dropped early on their website a couple of nights ago.  :)
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22:31 <@Mirage> At least Stan Against Evil is still awesome
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