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02:37 <@Dagmar> fdse: No, it's unlikely to work inside a chroot, nor would it be sane do try
02:47 < aestetix> sigh
02:47 < aestetix> the only good response to these bombs: find who sent them and throw the book at them
02:47 < aestetix> doesn't matter where they were sent, doesn't matter why they were sent
02:47 < aestetix> That shit is not acceptable in a civilized society, period
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07:42 <@Shadow404> aestetix: is Dolemite and your associated reacharound late this morning?
08:01 < dasunt> aestetix: Why not treat the bomb-maker as a nut?
08:01 < dasunt> This reminds me of something I saw years ago on school shootings, where they interviewed experts, and one of the things that was said is that mass publicity tends to be encouraging for this type of behavior.
08:03 <@Corydon76> dasunt: I think that would depend upon the motivation of the bomber, which hasn't yet been conclusively established.
08:03 < dasunt> True.  But I would suspect that most bombers want publicity.
08:04 <@Corydon76> For example, I don't think the Unabomber was encouraged to send more bombs by the publicity surrounding his case.
08:04 < aestetix> dasunt: a nut who belongs in jail
08:04 <@Corydon76> He was, however, encouraged to make contact with the media to publish his manifesto, which ultimately led to his capture.
08:05 < aestetix> Corydon76: I do like the Daily Caller's policy of not saying the names of school shooters
08:05 < aestetix> because it prevents them from getting fame
08:05 < dasunt> Unabomer may be the exception, or bombers may be different than mass shooters.
08:05 < aestetix> Other outlets like CNN should follow suit
08:05 <@Corydon76> Good thing, too, because if he never had sent his manifesto, he probably never would have been caught.
08:05 < dasunt> Of course, I've seen some right wingers unironically claim this may be a false flag.
08:06 <@Corydon76> A common TV trope is that bombers are cowards.  I don't know if that, in fact, is true or not.
08:06 < aestetix> dasunt: IMHO it doesn't matter
08:06 < aestetix> It should be taken completely seriously
08:07 < aestetix> And whoever did it, if they are jokes, should be prosecuted as if they were real
08:07 < dasunt> I think if you leap to "false flag" for events like these, there's a few gears missing.
08:07 < aestetix> yep
08:08 <@Corydon76> dasunt: the point isn't believing in false flag.  The point for these right wing hosts is to make up an explanation so their followers don't become despondent and disengaged.
08:09 <@Corydon76> Two weeks to an election, and (likely) ring wing loony is lobbing bombs.  The natural inclination for voters is to believe that the right wing has gone too far.
08:09 < dasunt> Explanation:  Some nut sent bombs.
08:09 <@Corydon76> Err, right wing
08:10 <@Corydon76> They'll never convince the majority of voters.  But if they can avoid their core supporters from staying home on Election Day, they might avoid a washout.
08:10 < dasunt> I am leaning more and more towards RCV to bring a bit of sanity back into our system.
08:12 <@Corydon76> Yeah, I get to face that choice here on Election Day, as well.  The Republican will probably win in my district.  But do I choose the independent choice, who actually makes sense, or the Democratic candidate, who could pull an upset victory?
08:12 <@Corydon76> Getting the state House back closer to parity, instead of the GOP having a supermajority would be a win.
08:13 < dasunt> Well, with RCV, the Republican and Democratic candidate would both try to attract the independent.
08:15 <@Corydon76> And... another bomb was just found addressed to former VP Joe Biden
08:17 < aestetix> I mean at this point, the guy who sent these bombs should be tried under terrorist charges
08:19 < aestetix> one sent to Robert De Niro too
08:19 <@Corydon76> Yeah, but that was reported earlier
08:20 < dasunt> Robert De Niro?
08:20 <@Corydon76> The actor has been a frequent critic of Trump
08:20 < aestetix> I mean
08:21 < aestetix> half of hollywood has been
08:21 < dasunt> Half the population has been, it seems.  ;)
08:21 < aestetix> pretty much
08:21 < dasunt> LOL, CNN has an article on how to detect a suspicious package.  Like a mail bomb is likely for 99.999999% of the population.
08:22 <@Corydon76> I've been a critic of de Niro because he's fallen in bed with the antivaxxers
08:22 <@Corydon76> dasunt: Janet Smith was a low key secretary at a university who was a victim of the Unabomber
08:23 <@Corydon76> And Patrick Fischer, for whom that package was addressed, to this day, still doesn't know why he was targeted.
08:23 < dasunt> Corydon76: I'm not saying it happens, but it's less useful than an article about what to do when you win $100+ million in the lottery.
08:23 < dasunt> Er, not saying it doesn't happen.
08:24 <@Corydon76> I mean, his morning lecture voice was sleep inducing, but he wasn't THAT bad.
08:24 < dasunt> Speaking of bombs to unlikely people, remember that Ham radio used parts bombing case?
08:24 <@Corydon76> Dr. Fischer also has the distinction of having had Dennis Ritchie as a student.  Yes, THAT Dennis Ritchie.
08:25 < dasunt> Look up Chris Marquis if you don't.
08:26 <@Corydon76> Oh, apparently he wouldn't know today, because he died in 2011.
08:26 < dasunt> Guess it was a CBer, not Ham.
08:28 < dasunt> Guy tended to scam people online - doing trades of equipment, but he'd never send stuff.
08:29 < dasunt> Someone finally sent him a bomb.
08:30 <@Corydon76> Yeah, I totally understand the fantasy of revenge.  I completely do not understand going through with it.
08:32 <@Corydon76> For example, I was joking about finding a pagan who could summon a bolt of lightning to hit one of the religious protesters who came to Bowling Green Pride.
08:35 < dasunt> That just reminds me of American Gods for some reason.
09:19 < dasunt> It's only been less than 30 months since SpaceX has recovered it's first rocket.
09:21 <@Shadow404> dasunt: first stage
09:21 <@Shadow404> but yes, thats a feat in itself
09:22 < dasunt> Kind of amazing that they are going to launch the same rocket for the third time.
09:22 < dasunt> IIRC, it's only Block 5 that really was built with the lessons from recovered boosters.
09:24 <@Evilpig> vecd.org
09:24 <@Evilpig> http://vecd.org
09:24 < PigBot> VECD Medical Training – Vanderbilt-Emory-Cornell-Duke Medical Mentorships (at vecd.org) http://tinyurl.com/y7wp8ulw
09:24 <@Evilpig> so... we just got an incident handed to my group this morning that this site isn't redirecting to vumc.org/vecd or something
09:24 <@Evilpig> their complaint is that it's displaying inappropriate content
09:24 <@Dagmar> We've never sent the same vehicle into space multiple times before, of course
09:24 <@Dagmar> *ahem*
09:25 <@Evilpig> so the argument in my group was if we help them or just kick it back to helpdesk
09:25 <@Dagmar> Kick it to help desk
09:25 <@Dagmar> Or you can refer them to me and I'll explain to them their site is working properly for the low, low price of $300/hour
09:25 <@Evilpig> the domain isn't in our registrar account,  the name servers are pointed to AWS not ours, and the site is clearly a compromised wordpress install which network security should be made aware of
09:26 <@Evilpig> so it was kicked back to helpdesk saying "not ours" and I pinged network security to give them a laugh
09:26 <@Dagmar> It's not their damn site, obviously
09:27 <@Evilpig> the belief is that some end user went around the normal channels, got their own aws account, etc
09:27 <@Evilpig> so they're hoping to push this over on top of hogan and bury him and his cloud group for not having formal governance in place
09:29 <@Dagmar> So do they even know who Arthur Mael is?
09:30 <@Dagmar> The site reads like SEO spam
09:30 <@Evilpig> looking for that incident to see if he is who opened that
09:30 <@Dagmar> ...and no "Dr. Arthur Mael" exists in peoplefinder, and doesn't come up in GOogle searches
09:31 <@Dagmar> I suspect Vandy just doesn't own the domain at all
09:31 <@Dagmar> Let them bury that fuckwit Hogan
09:31 <@Dagmar> He deserves it
09:33 < dasunt> How does SpaceX compare against other reusable launch systems that have been demonstrated?
09:33 <@Dagmar> You mean like _the space shuttles_?
09:34 < dasunt> Yep - the Shuttle, by design, tossed the main tank.
09:34 <@Dagmar> Let's not forget that NASA has been doing this thing for awhile
09:34 < dasunt> And the boosters were basically rebuilt each time.
09:37 <@Shadow404> SSTO is gonna be the next big breakthrough in re-usability
09:37 < dasunt> Wikipedia lists four reusable launch systems that have been operational - Five more that have existed in prototype form.  Of those five, two were Scaled Composites, didn't those just hit the 100 mile limit?  Same with the Blue Origin vehicle.
09:37 <@Shadow404> that will change the market
09:37 < dasunt> Buran did fly to space, IIRC, but only for one flight.
09:37 <@Shadow404> sub orbital
09:38 <@Shadow404> er
09:38 <@Shadow404> nah, that was orbital
09:38 <@Shadow404> and completely automated, landed on AI alone
09:38 < dasunt> Buran or SS1?
09:38 <@Shadow404> what a waste of money to can the program after one flight, bad timing at its best
09:38 < dasunt> Buran was orbital, but wasn't SS1 suborbittal?
09:39 <@Shadow404> id have to check that
09:39 <@Shadow404> SS1 is sub, buran is orbital
09:41 <@Shadow404> a reliable SSTO is still the holy grail
09:43 <@Shadow404> speaking of shuttles, i wish the public knew more about the x-37
09:48 < dasunt> So there's been what?  Three proven reusable orbital vehicles?  Shuttle, Falcon 1, Falcon Heavy?
09:49 <@Shadow404> f9
09:49 < dasunt> Whoops, F9, not F1.
09:49 < dasunt> Oh, and X-37?
09:50 <@opticron> the unmanned smaller version of the shuttle
09:50 <@opticron> no crew capability at all
09:50 <@Corydon76> Falcon and Shuttle didn't recycle the same parts.  Falcon was always about recycling the launch vehicle.  Shuttle was only about recycling the orbital vehicle.
09:50 <@Shadow404> you are correct
09:50 < dasunt> Shuttle did recover the boosters for rebuilding.
09:50 < dasunt> But I don't know if it counts as "reusable".
09:50 <@Shadow404> dasunt: x-37 excluded, requires a booster vehicle
09:51 < dasunt> Shadow404: True.
09:51 <@Corydon76> The external tanks for the shuttle are completely disassembled, inspected, and MIGHT make it into a new launch vehicle, but they are not used intact.
09:51 < dasunt> I thought shuttle had only one tank, which was never reused.
09:51 <@Shadow404> Corydon76: they re-used the orbital vehicle on f9 flights to the iss
09:51 <@Corydon76> The whole idea behind Falcon was that the launch vehicle returned to the launch pad at a low impact, so it wouldn't be damaged.
09:52 <@Shadow404> just not the second stage at this point
09:52 < dasunt> The boosters are "reused" for definitions of reused which would involve calling your car reusable if you had crashed it and rebuilt it after every trip.
09:52 <@Shadow404> kinda
09:52 <@Shadow404> dasunt: and buran should be included in the list of orbital re-use
09:53 <@Corydon76> Or if you jumped out of your car at the destination and didn't bother using the brake, letting it just go whereever.
09:53 < dasunt> Wait, that isn't how you park?
09:53  * dasunt has been doing this wrong.
09:54 <@Corydon76> You jettison the engine and coast your way to the parking space?
09:55 < dasunt> "Jettison", yes.  That's the term I use when the police officer asks. Total coincidence that the person who cut me off was in the path of the attitude correction tool, er, I mean engine.
09:55  * dasunt now kind of wants to see a car with an ejection mechanism for the engine.
09:56 <@Corydon76> Clearly, it's needed, because some cars catch fire.
09:56 <@Corydon76> We can call it a warp core ejection module.
09:56  * dasunt snickers.
09:59 < dasunt> Shower thought:  Federation ships being designed to dump their warp core is probably not a good sign.
10:01 <@Corydon76> I think it's a very good sign.  It's an indication that they know that things can go wrong, and they're prepared to save lives, even at the expense of propulsion.
10:01 < dasunt> Like, your house isn't designed to eject the furnace even though furnaces can catch on fire.
10:01 <@Corydon76> I consider it similar to ships having fire extinguishers and fire suppression systems on board
10:02 <@Corydon76> You have fire extinguishers even though you expect never to have to use them.
10:02 < xray> when your house catches fire there is time to run and a place to run to.
10:02 < xray> When there is an anti-matter explosion in space not so much.
10:02 < dasunt> So why not have the ability to eject other parts of the ship?  Like medbay, just in case it goes all Alien on us.
10:03 < xray> And you can also fight the fire in a house
10:03 < dasunt> Or the science labs, in case an experiment goes wrong?
10:03 <@Corydon76> dasunt: that's what the site to site transport is for
10:03 < xray> So couldn't they transport the warp core outside the ship?
10:04 <@Corydon76> It's reportedly too unstable for them to get a lock on it.
10:04 < xray> The basic problem is that it is a fictional universe and the laws of physics from ours to theirs don't map 100%
10:04 < xray> I blame the writers for not having PHDs in science
10:05 < xray> that was a joke for those that are humor impaired.
10:05 <@Corydon76> If you accumulate enough episodes, there will always be inconsistencies
10:06 < xray> Which is supposition because we don't really know how to make and anti-matter reactor nor do we know how to transport things so . . . supposition
10:06 <@Corydon76> Like why Klingons from TOS don't look like Klingons from TNG
10:06 < xray> hence fiction
10:06 < xray> The real question is: Were you entertained? If so then mission accomplished. That is why they call it the willing suspension of disbelief.
10:07 < xray> Did you watch any episodes of CSI Cyber?
10:07 <@Corydon76> TOS wasn't even mainly entertainment.  Many of the episodes are just morality plays.
10:07 < dasunt> I really haven't even watched the latest ST series.  So I guess I was no longer entertained.  :(
10:07 < xray> That was so bad I couldn't finish the one episode I tried to watch.
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10:08 <@Corydon76> dasunt: I wasn't interested in paying for a series.
10:08 <@Corydon76> especially since I barely watch TV anymore
10:08 < xray> dasunt: I blame that on the network trying to use ST to lock people into a montly subscription for access.
10:08 < dasunt> Neither was eye.  Plus there's the Orville, which is basically Star Trek being Star Trek.
10:08 < dasunt> Er, aye.
10:08 < dasunt> Er.
10:08 < dasunt> BRB, getting coffee.
10:08 < xray> I like Orville
10:09 < xray> mmmmm . . .  coffee
10:09 <@Corydon76> I'm off to make my monthly appearance at the office and test a conversion from lpd to cups.
10:09 < xray> I hope you have an un-interesting day.
10:10 < xray> meaning all goes well
10:11 <@Corydon76> Yeah, just realized all the embedded commands in scripts that may need to be changed.
10:12 <@Corydon76> Since the conversion is also from FreeBSD to Linux
10:29 < dasunt> Aren't there lpd aliases in the cups install?
11:38 < K`Tetch> i tried 3 episodes of discovery, and it was hard. going to try again since they've now added discovery into star trek online
14:22 <@Mirage> lol...never underestimate stupid. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/10/25/house-sitter-tried-blowtorch-some-black-widows-more-than-two-dozen-firefighters-responded-blaze/?utm_term=.9ae226ce52d3
14:22 < PigBot> Fresno: Man trying to kill black widows with a blowtorch sets parent's home on fire - The Washington Post (at www.washingtonpost.com) http://tinyurl.com/yd4j8u7a
16:13 < dasunt> How could that have gone wrong?
17:50 <@Mirage> ^^ ...never underestimate stupid.
17:52 <@Evilpig> my google home hub just got here.  looks pretty good
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