--- Log opened Wed Oct 24 00:00:32 2018
06:22 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:25  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
06:57  * shadow404 notices that aestetix always does a reacharound when he hugs Dolemite
08:08 <@opticron> that's how hugs work, right?
08:10 <@shadow404> only if your special friends....
08:12 <@shadow404> Corydon76: is this woman making a false allegation too?: https://twitter.com/i/moments/1054803111406157824?cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email
08:13 < PigBot> Man who allegedly groped a woman on flight told FBI 'the US president said it's OK' (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/y6v7anht
08:13 < dasunt> He was being presidential.
08:13 <@Corydon76> shadow404: you do realize he admitted it to the police, right?
08:13 <@Corydon76> His lawyer is going to have a fun time with that.
08:14 <@Corydon76> Don't.  Talk.  To.  The.  Police.
08:14 < dasunt> He's using that as a defense.  I'm getting the feeling that he isn't a criminal mastermind.
08:15 <@Corydon76> Especially if you're guilty, but even if you're innocent.  It CANNOT help you.
08:16 < dasunt> In a just world, what would the punishment be for a crime like this?
08:16 < dasunt> I'm being serious.
08:16 <@Corydon76> 24 hours in a cell with Bubba, who hasn't had any sexual contact in 20 years.
08:17 <@shadow404> dick locked up for a period of 1 year, and next offense cut it off
08:17 <@shadow404> and im being serious
08:17 <@Corydon76> Dick locked up doesn't stop him from groping.
08:18 < dasunt> I'd like to know what the rates of further and more serious sexual offenses are for gropers.  It can't be a good sign if they feel so free to grab another person for their own gratification.
08:18 <@Corydon76> The old Turkish punishment might work, though.  Whichver hand he used is to be cut off.
08:18 < aestetix> Corydon76: yep
08:18 < aestetix> Three words to the police that kill any defense: "I did it"
08:19 <@Corydon76> If you want a slightly less punitive measure, start with his pinky.  For every additional infraction, he loses the next finger.
08:19 <@shadow404> nah, next infraction should be to cut it off
08:19 <@shadow404> a woman should never have to deal with uninvited groping
08:21 < aestetix> hold on
08:21 < dasunt> Amputation doesn't deal with the wetware problem.  You still have a guy that apparently sees women as objects, but he's then short a body part and probably angrier.  I doubt that ends well.
08:21 < aestetix> Corydon76: start with the pinky nail
08:21 <@shadow404> dasunt: removal the organs that drive impulses at a chemical level
08:22 <@Corydon76> shadow404: those would be brain lobes
08:22 < dasunt> Problem solved!
08:22 <@Corydon76> And that's a tricky surgery
08:23 <@Corydon76> Because the real problem tends to be an underdeveloped or insufficiently connected frontal lobe
08:23 <@shadow404> labotomy....
08:23 <@Corydon76> How you correct a brain deficiency by making the brain more deficient, I don't understand.
08:23 <@shadow404> Corydon76: nah, i would say shock therapy
08:24 < dasunt> Thinking about what you could do makes me realize we're basically on the cusp of having implantable GPS devices for criminals.
08:24 <@Corydon76> Knowing what I know about shock therapy, I doubt that will have the desired effect.
08:25 <@shadow404> LPC wife says its scary effective per articles shes read
08:25 <@Corydon76> dasunt: better, implantable devices for free citizens.  If you lack a chip, you are presumed to be a criminal
08:25 <@Corydon76> If you rely upon an implanted device for criminals, they will find ways to have them removed
08:26 < dasunt> Corydon76: Nah.  Freedom, remember?  I'm thinking of a device that is powered by a blood glucose fuel cell, gps tracker, and cell phone uplink.
08:26 <@Corydon76> Requiring a chip to access general services means criminals have to do double time to get a chip
08:26 <@Corydon76> And it's that much easier to invalidate
08:27 < dasunt> I doubt everyone would want to have the government track their location.  We prefer private companies for that.  ;)
08:27 <@Corydon76> Didn't I hear in the last few days that Swedes are lining up to get implants?
08:27 <@shadow404> basic citizenship revoked through mac filtering
08:27 < dasunt> Although how does crime look when everyone has their own implantable cell phones that recognize "call 911" and will report the location?
08:28 < dasunt> Then 911 automatically sends a few video drones (perhaps armed with tasers) to every call location.
08:29 <@Corydon76> Robbery goes down, burglary goes up
08:30 < dasunt> Technology could march on.  Tech is gaining pseudo-intelligence.  Including burglary systems.  How soon before our homes call us because they don't recognize an intruder?
08:31 < dasunt> (I suppose I should call it AI, but I like pseudo-intelligence better.)
08:32 <@Corydon76> You mean our Smart Homes?
08:32 <@Corydon76> If I got implants, that would be trivially easy to do with a set of RFID readers.
08:33 <@Corydon76> Motion detectors complete the puzzle
08:34 <@Corydon76> OMG... The Engrish in this video... https://smile.amazon.com/ga/p/3f087480f07ed5fb?nav=amz&fsrc=ml&i=emd&ref_=pe_2644850_363284000_gde-ga#ln-yt
08:35 < PigBot> Amazon Giveaways (at smile.amazon.com) http://tinyurl.com/y73jhlny
08:35 <@Corydon76> Terrible translation, with typos.
08:50 < dasunt> Your party makes you change your world view:  https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/people-are-changing-their-views-on-race-and-gender-issues-to-match-their-party/
08:50 < PigBot> People Are Changing Their Views On Race And Gender Issues To Match Their Party | FiveThirtyEight (at fivethirtyeight.com) http://tinyurl.com/ybzm7sne
08:59 <@Corydon76> https://www.npr.org/2018/10/24/660161491/u-s-intercepts-suspicious-packages-addressed-to-clinton-and-obama
08:59 < PigBot> U.S. Intercepts 'Suspicious Packages' Addressed To Clinton And Obama : NPR (at www.npr.org) http://tinyurl.com/y76py5ye
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10:24 < aestetix> so uh
10:24 < aestetix> I hope they catch the guy and throw the book at him
10:27 <@rhia> should do that to the instigator-in-chief who continually calls fellow Americans and the press "the enemy"
10:27 <@rhia> along that tangent: https://www.stonekettle.com/2018/10/the-big-lie.html
10:27 < PigBot> Stonekettle Station: The Big Lie (at www.stonekettle.com)
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11:57 < dasunt> That's the thing I dislike most about Trump - he really polarizes politics.
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13:20 < dasunt> So who is bombing the liberals and fake news?
13:21 < dfused> its god's will.
13:21 < dasunt> Looks like Hillary, Obama, Soros, John Brennan, Eric Holder, CNN, Maxine Waters...
13:22 < dfused> someone must protect us from all the brown ppl
13:22 < aestetix> wait, have they all been sent bombs?
13:22 < aestetix> holy shit that's fucking horrible
13:22 < dasunt> But isn't this obviously a false flag attack that liberals have set up to protect the pizza pedo ring?
13:22 < dasunt> aestetix: Yep, someone has decided to take direct action.
13:22 < aestetix> I am really unhappy with the democrats, but I condemn violence
13:23 < dfused> something smells fucky
13:23 < aestetix> And that includes bombs and bomb threats
13:23 < dasunt> I'm unhappy with the Democrats as well, but not to the point of blowing them up.
13:24 < dasunt> Seems like a bad precident to me.
13:24 < aestetix> The way to win is with ideas
13:24 < aestetix> Make better arguments
13:24 < dasunt> Yep.
13:24 < dasunt> Anyways, the news is out, so we've hit that stage of the 24 hour news cycle where everything gets reported, true or false.
13:25 < dasunt> So I'd guess there's going to be a few false alarms.
13:26 < dasunt> Especially since people tend not to want to blow themselves up, which means every suspicious package sent to anybody who thinks they are a target is going to get reported.
13:27 < aestetix> Maybe this will finally get people to tone down the rhetoric
13:27 < aestetix> because.... this can get a lot worse, really fast
13:27 < dasunt> No.
13:27 < dasunt> We aren't going to do that.
13:28 < aestetix> ok if I may
13:28 < aestetix> one of my colleagues is from Crimea
13:28 < aestetix> He was working at a university in Crimea when Putin annexed it from the Ukraine
13:29 < aestetix> And apparently, when Putin annexed it, they sent in some FSB agents to the university to get a list of all the pro-Russia faculty members
13:29 < aestetix> To get them to act as informants
13:29 < aestetix> Shortly after that, he and his wife fled to Germany
13:29 < dasunt> My comrade, ITYM the glorious people of Crimea voted to join Russia after a sponatious rebellion to free themselves from the Ukrainians.
13:29 < dasunt> What is this about invasion?
13:30 < aestetix> That's the kind of shit the US can look forward to if y'all really want to go down that route
13:31 < dasunt> Anyways, I'm all for peaceful, non-violent means if possible.
13:31 < dasunt> And not going over the top with rhetoric.
13:31 < dasunt> But that's not going to happen in society, as a whole.
13:31 < aestetix> But I mean
13:31 < aestetix> The last time I remember something like this was the anthrax scare after 9/11
13:32 < dasunt> Wasn't there one since then?
13:32 < aestetix> maybe
13:32 < aestetix> But the post-9/11 one was pretty widespread
13:32 < dasunt> I forget, did they catch the anthrax guy?
13:32 < aestetix> I don't remember
13:33 < dasunt> Ah, I recall the letter bombs I'm thinking off - the ones in Texas in March.
13:33 < aestetix> I'm just saying.... the US does not want to play that game
13:33 < aestetix> I remember when I went to Moscow to a conference
13:34 < aestetix> It was so wierd. Nobody was really happy, and people were very careful about what they said in public.
13:34 < aestetix> And then I came back to Oakland and saw protesters dancing in the streets complaining about the government
13:34 < dasunt> We've had over a hundred and fifty years of peace in almost all of this country (*does not apply to non-white groups).  There's people willing to play that game.
13:34 < aestetix> And I'm thinking.... you know, in Russia, if you are protesting in the streets, you might not make it home
13:35 < aestetix> I was there a month before Snowden happened too.
13:35 < aestetix> That would have been a very different trip
13:36 < dasunt> In 2016, we had one presidential candidate threatening to put the other candidate into prison.
13:36 < aestetix> You had one presidential candidate, and one reality tv show clown ;)
13:37 < aestetix> ok must calm down
13:37 < aestetix> just hoping you all know how important it is to stay civil
13:38 < dasunt> The reality show clown took over the GOP.
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13:41 < dasunt> We are a democracy, and if fear mongering works, then fear mongering will happen.  If one candidate doesn't do it, they'll lose to another candidate that does.
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13:46 < dasunt> Btw, someone who was a person of interest in the anthrax cases committed suicide.  FBI says it was the guy.  FWIW.
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15:21 < dasunt> I find the "Debbie Wasserman Schultz" on the return address of the bombs to be noteworthy.
15:21 < dasunt> Does she have any national fame or infamy on right wing news?  Because I haven't heard of her before today, and the Wiki page just seems to indicate she's a typical Representatitve.
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15:24 < dasunt>  Is the bomber from Florida?
15:25 <@Dagmar> That's the woman who was instrumental in the corrupt behaviour of the DNC
15:27 <@Dagmar> She wound up resigning as the chairperson as a result
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15:35 <@Corydon76> "corrupt"
15:36 <@Corydon76> She treated Hillary Clinton as the nominee a couple weeks before she was supposed to, when there was no way Bernie Sanders could win.
15:37 <@Corydon76> Nevertheless, it's clear the targets were all current or former Democratic leaders.  I'm frankly surprised that Nancy Pelosi wasn't targeted
15:37 <@Corydon76> But maybe that pipe bomb is tomorrow
15:38 < dfused> it was USPS after all right? so ... yeah likely misrouted or some such
15:39 <@Corydon76> Well, the addresses were reportedly pretty vague.
15:39 <@Corydon76> John Brennan's package was addressed to CNN's building, even though he works for NBC.
15:40 <@Corydon76> And the one to Hillary Clinton was reportedly no more specific than the county in New York.
15:48 <@Corydon76> USPS gets a bad rap, but I've received packages that were so badly mis-addressed that they probably should have gotten returned.
16:00 < dasunt> But did you recieve a bomb?
16:17 < dfused> havent checked my mail today..... do bills count?
16:23 <@Corydon76> Not yet
16:24 <@Corydon76> But if I'm a target, that should hopefully massively narrow the list of suspects.
16:26 < dasunt> Maybe you have a bigger influence than you think.
16:27 <@Corydon76> I am basically a shut-in these days
16:29 < dfused> you and me both...
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