--- Log opened Tue Oct 23 00:00:30 2018
06:37 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:38 <@shadow404> yAwN
06:41  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
06:44  * Dolemite lets out a bit of gas
06:45  * aestetix uses the gas to fill up his car
06:49 < aestetix> oh wait I don't have a car
06:50 < aestetix> I'm curious why the Cory Booker sexual assault allegation hasn't picked up more steam
07:04 <@shadow404> aestetix: i thought in socialist germany, it was the people's car, so every car is yours
07:05 <@shadow404> we have a version of that in Atlanta, its called ZipCar
07:18 <@Corydon76> aestetix: because no woman has come forward.  It's like the old game of Telephone.  Everytime the message gets passed along, it gets distorted.
07:19 <@shadow404> so your saying the women are lying?
07:20 <@Corydon76> shadow404: It's an anonymous allegation.
07:20 <@Corydon76> Also, remember the old thing about the pretty 20-something woman on the Internet turning out to be a 53-year-old man?
07:22 <@Corydon76> And now that that allegation hasn't stuck, they're trying a new allegation of him assaulting men.
07:34 <@Mirage> I know it's probably just a pipe dream, but maybe the media is actually starting to learn not to just run with baseless innuendo and accusations as if they were hard facts
07:35 <@shadow404> wait what? isnt that the whpole basis for most media?
08:01 < aestetix> Corydon76: it was from a guy
08:01 < aestetix> oh
08:01 <@Corydon76> aestetix: Again, anonymous
08:02 < aestetix> Corydon76: wait, booker was accused of something else before?
08:03 <@Corydon76> 2 days ago
08:03 < aestetix> so there are two allegations against him now?
08:04 <@Corydon76> There are now two people who are not willing to come forward, but only raise the rumor, yes.
08:04 < dasunt> I should probably pay more attention to this.
08:04 <@shadow404> so we are arguing the plausibility of allegations from women and this shit is happening in the workplaces across the country: https://www.thecut.com/2018/10/companies-overworking-pregnant-women-miscarriages-times-investigation.html
08:04 < PigBot> Pregnancy Discrimination Causes Miscarriages: NYTimes Report (at www.thecut.com) http://tinyurl.com/y9c8wjya
08:05 < aestetix> shadow404: that's horrible
08:05 < dasunt> But my response to the alt-fuckup crowd has been along the lines of "oh, he got accused?  Sure, I support an investigation."
08:05 <@shadow404> EXACTLy
08:05 < aestetix> dasunt: same
08:05 <@Corydon76> shadow404: it's science from the NYTimes, which means you need to read it with a critical eye.
08:06 <@Corydon76> The NYTimes has a reputation of getting science HORRIBY wrong.
08:06 <@shadow404> if only my arms could stretch through this irc screen
08:06  * shadow404 walks way for a bit
08:08 < dasunt> Oh woah, I just gained a little respect for Fox News.
08:08 < aestetix> how the hell did that happen?
08:08  * dasunt ponders if the hummus he had this morning was spiked with LSD.
08:09 < dasunt> I was looking up the Cory Booker thing, and one of the first stories was about Fox News' Laura Ingraham saying that she believed it was a smear, and that the anonymous nature of the accusation made her doubt the credibility.
08:10 <@Corydon76> dasunt: I generally give respect to the talking heads who say something reasonable, not the network.  They probably got a stern talking to afterwards about breaking with the party line.
08:14 < dasunt> Gawd, the whole accusation (I just read it) sounds like a troll.
08:15 < dasunt> Could be someone who is a victim and is just bitter.  But the line where he says he has hearsay evidence and corroborating photographic evidence and states "It was, at the very least, much more probative evidence than what was brought forth during the Kavanaugh debacle" pegs my troll meter.
08:17 < aestetix> I mean I partly believe it, not because of booker
08:18 < aestetix> but because there is now a track record of "male feminists" turning out to be massive sleazebags
08:18 < dasunt> Also, how they were a liberal, then something horrible happened to them because of liberals, and now their eyes are open...  That's a conservative meme right now.
08:18 < aestetix> dasunt: oh you mean the redpill stuff?
08:18 < dasunt> aestetix: No, the more recent videos about people leaving the demographic party.
08:19 < aestetix> ah
08:19 <@Corydon76> Screams 4chan.
08:19 < aestetix> the walkaway
08:19 < dasunt> Yep.
08:19 < aestetix> I mean
08:19 < aestetix> one of the advantage of affiliated with a group, be it democrats or republicans, is that you're less likely to be pulled off into fringe elements
08:19 < aestetix> like neonazis or communists
08:20 < dasunt> Jebus, this reads troll.
08:20 < dasunt> Like where he goes off on #metoo for not supporting him.
08:21 < dasunt> And starts associating it with liberal women.
08:22 < dasunt> I mean, sure, I'd still support an investigation, but it does (as Corydon76 said), screams 4chan.
08:22 < aestetix> well I mean
08:22 < aestetix> an investigation requires a name, and ideally a location and a time frame
08:23 < dasunt> Supposedly they have a lawyer, which they name.
08:23 < aestetix> if they get all three of those, then yeah it should be investigated
08:23 < aestetix> oh
08:23 < aestetix> well if the lawyer can provide that to the courts
08:24 < dasunt> From what I can tell, the lawyer seems tight-lipped, and says her client is considering his options.
08:24 < aestetix> that's good
08:24 <@Corydon76> After Michael Avenatti, I don't trust anonymous allegations made through lawyers.
08:24 < aestetix> oh man
08:24 < aestetix> dude that guy was something else
08:24 < aestetix> I mean to be fair, Trump is also something else
08:24 < dasunt> Makes me wonder if the lawyer was basically saying something like "you're fucked when your trolling comes to light, so do you really want to move forward?"
08:25 <@Corydon76> The lawyer probably has a clue that it's a troll, but a smart lawyer would never ask that question
08:26 < dasunt> Of course they wouldn't.  They'd just point out the ramifications of if the accusation could be proved false.
08:26 <@Corydon76> If the lawyer knows it's a lie, they cannot effectively advocate for their client
08:26 < aestetix> yep
08:27 <@Corydon76> If they just suspect it's a lie, they still can.  Lawyers may not lie.  They may parse words carefully, but they cannot lie.
08:27 <@Corydon76> (or face disbarring)
08:28 <@Mirage> Corydon76: um...if they know it's a lie they shouldn't move forward with it anyway...but then that's just the common sense, ethical thing to do...which 99.999997% of lawyers would never do unless they didn't think the client could pay.
08:29 <@Corydon76> Mirage: I don't think that's true.  The purpose of representation is to advocate for the client.
08:29 <@Corydon76> The only reason to fire the client is if the lawyer can no longer effectively advocate for the client
08:30 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCKC1sP9P7E
08:30 < PigBot> FULL Tucker Carlson vs. Cenk Uygur of Young Turks Debate - Politicon 2018! (Audio & Video) (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/ybt2lu2s
08:30 <@Mirage> If that were the case then we'd never hear anything about ppl who injure themselves while committing a crime on someone's private property and then successfully suing for damages
08:32 < dasunt> A lot of those stories are pretty exaggerated.
08:32 <@Mirage> https://www.protectamerica.com/home-security-blog/spotlight/5-cases-where-the-burglar-sued-homeowner_14222
08:32 < PigBot> 5 Cases Where the Burglar Sued Homeowner | Home Security (at www.protectamerica.com) http://tinyurl.com/y9v5uw39
08:33 < dasunt> Look up the actual cases.
08:34 < dasunt> First example - burgler shot.  Yep.  Basically you can't normally use deadly force in most states to protect property.
08:34 < dasunt> Second story - skylight one, I'd dig deeper into that, because there's a lot of versions.
08:34 <@Mirage> A guy I worked with back in Nashville got sued by the guy who broke into his house and subsequently got his ass beat and the cops called on him.   Granted the guy who broke in lost the case, but it never should have even gotten filed, let alone gone to court
08:35 < dasunt> You can sue for anything though in the US system.
08:35 < dasunt> I could file a lawsuit against you right now for $1B damages because I'm offended by your handle of "Mirage"
08:36 <@Mirage> Yes...mostly because of the fact that most lawyers don't give a shit about ethics/morals/common sense...they just wanna get paid.
08:36 <@Mirage> dasunt: and i'm sure that if you made 5 calls to random law offices that you'd get at least 4 of them to accept the case
08:37 < dasunt> Mirage: Only if the money is up-front, maybe.
08:37 < dasunt> Depends on the area as well.  I'm not sure if lawyers really want to have judges think they have stupid clients.
08:37 <@Mirage> as stated..."they just wanna get paid."
08:38 < dasunt> Better call Saul.
08:38 < aestetix> haha
08:39 < dasunt> Seriously though, lawyers see the same judges over and over again.  But there's always pro se for my $1B pain and suffering lawsuit.
08:40 <@rhia> most professions have two major types (divided into numerous subtypes): Those who are passionate about the profession and those who are passionate about making money and find using that profession beneficial their bank accounts
08:41 <@rhia> or, sometimes, like with cops, those who are passionate about the positive of the profession (serving and protecting the populace) and those who are attracted to the negative (get to wear a badge and gun to intimidate, bully, and even beat up who they believe to be "less desirables")
08:42 < dasunt> True, but even those who want to make money need to divided up into total wankers and skilled professionals.  The latter care about their reputation.
08:42 <@rhia> hence the numerous subtypes
08:43 <@rhia> in lawyers, there's ambulance chasers and mob lawyers and corporate lawyers, wait, those last two might be redundant
08:44 < dasunt> You know I work supporting legal types, right?
08:45 < dasunt> Although we're more on the "skilled" side of the spectrum here, I hope.
08:50 < dasunt> Anyways.
08:50 < dasunt> Has anyone seen the (4chan?) NPC meme yet?
08:51 <@Corydon76> I've seen the reference, and it got deleted from the Pink Pistols forum on FB
08:51 <@Corydon76> Ever since things like goatse and lemonparty, I've lost a lot of my curiosity on the Internet.
08:52 <@Evilpig> I'm sure there are still things that grab your interest, even if just passing
08:54 < dasunt> It's showing up in the crazy FB group I'm in.  I think there's a few 4channers in the group.
08:54 <@Corydon76> Evilpig: Even on Grindr, I've seen terms that I've regretted Googling.
08:55 < dasunt> Reminds me when I googled Toad just to see what the reference was awhile back.
08:55 < dasunt> :/
08:55 <@Corydon76> For example (NSFW): ABDL
08:56 < aestetix> ok the cenk/tucker debate is really good
08:56 < aestetix> on both sides
09:00 <@Corydon76> SFW: https://www.google.com/maps/@27.5251825,-99.4351887,18z
09:00 < PigBot>  Google Maps  (at www.google.com) http://tinyurl.com/yabpwlny
09:01 < dasunt> What am I looking at?
09:01 <@Corydon76> "I forget the name of the road, but I'm pretty sure that it was the name of a gun."  "Uhhhhh, you'll have to be more specific."
09:01 < dasunt> OIC.
09:05 < dasunt> Of course this is Texas.
09:06 <@shadow404> are roads named after guns in texas as popular as streets with the name peachtree in them in Georgia?
09:08 < dasunt> I live on Peachtree Court.  Just take Peachtree Blvd to Peachtree avenue, turn right on Peachtree Street, then left on Peachtree circle.
09:27 < aestetix> You skip past peachtree drive?
09:29 <@shapr> dasunt: you live in Atlanta?
09:30 <@shadow404> aestetix: peachtree way is much faster during rush hour
09:30 <@Corydon76> shapr: I believe dasunt lives in a Mini Apple Paradise.
09:31 < dasunt> I live in a place where we actually ...  I'm not sure if we have a Peachtree anything at all.
09:31 <@Corydon76> Within a Mini Soda
09:36 < dasunt> The place without a fall.
09:38 <@Corydon76> Tennessee didn't have fall this year, either.
09:38 <@Corydon76> In one day, we went from the 80s down to the 50s.
09:38 <@Corydon76> And a week later, we had our first freeze warning
09:42 <@Corydon76> http://optout.networkadvertising.org/?c=1
09:42 < PigBot>  (at optout.networkadvertising.org) http://tinyurl.com/y8qag9sq
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10:20 < dasunt> The lack of fall is pissing me off.
10:21  * Evilpig pushes dasunt 
10:21 < dasunt> Althought we got a good 60 degree day in on Sunday.  Ended up taking the motorcycle for a 75 mile ride.
10:21 <@Evilpig> want more?!
10:26 < dasunt> :(
10:28 < dasunt> We had a pretty good day yesterday as well, but I decided to hang a new service door on the garage.  <_<  That took hours.
10:34 <@shadow404> dude, changing the springs on a garage door is no small feat either. took me close to 1.5 hrs to change just 1 set
10:43 <@Corydon76> shadow404: extension springs or torsion springs?
10:44 <@Corydon76> I just had the honor of replacing a pair of torsion springs on my garage door.
10:45 < dasunt> Aren't the torsion springs the ones you don't want to fuckup while removing?
10:45 <@Corydon76> Getting to wind springs 31 quarter turns while standing on a ladder, while knowing that people have died doing that is not fun.
10:46 <@Corydon76> I don't think you want to fuckup any springs while you're removing them.  But yes, I had to unwind the spring that was not broken.
10:48 < aestetix> are fidget spinners still a thing?
10:49 <@Mirage> https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-45938724
10:49 <@Corydon76> Depends upon what you mean by 'a thing'.  For their core purpose, yes, they're still useful.  Are they still a fad?  No.
10:49 < PigBot> Dutch 'silly walks' crossing is a hit - BBC News (at www.bbc.com) http://tinyurl.com/yaxkmscv
10:56 <@shadow404> Corydon76: extension
10:57 < aestetix> so they went the way of pogs
10:58 <@shadow404> we all know you had a pog collection
11:37 <@rhia> what's a pog? those tiddlywinks with images?
11:37 < dasunt> It's what the nerdy kids did instead of Garbage Pail Kids.
11:38 < dasunt> Everyone in 2nd grade knew that GPK was where it was at.
11:47 < dasunt> CNN headline of the day:  "Abrams defends burning flag with confederate symbol in '92"
11:51 <@rhia> someone is trying to make a 'thing' out of that? seriously?
11:52 < dasunt> I guess.  I don't live in Georgia, but it seems that those most likely to not vote for her over this probably wouldnt' vote for a black woman in the first place.
11:53 <@Corydon76> The problem is never the extremes, but the middle.
11:54 <@Corydon76> Do independent voters in the center of the spectrum care about this or not?  That's the question.
11:54 < dasunt> We really need RCV in this country.
12:21 < aestetix> Corydon76: wanna see a dick pic?
12:21 < aestetix> https://imgur.com/a/8AmINqU
12:21 < PigBot>  Imgur: The magic of the Internet (at imgur.com) http://tinyurl.com/y7hz9ylz
12:22 <@Corydon76> aestetix: I see plenty of them on Grindr.  Usually, my response is, "face pic?"
12:22 <@Corydon76> Because half the profiles are either blank or are torsos.
12:22 <@shadow404> cant you just put a mask over their face???
12:23 < aestetix> the best part is that dick is freshly shaved
12:23 <@Corydon76> Again, not curious at all.
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12:23 <@Corydon76> shadow404: I'm not on Grindr for just sex.
12:24 <@shadow404> same still holds true for dating.....
12:24 < aestetix> although that dick could use a bit of lotion
12:24 <@Corydon76> shadow404: I do like that the pup mask has largely replaced the gimp mask, though.
12:24 < aestetix> a bit wrinkly. not sure if I trust it
12:25 <@shadow404> Corydon76: yep!
12:45 <@Evilpig> well isn't this clever
12:45 <@Evilpig> https://www.bestbuy.com/site/mount-genie-backpack-outlet-mount-for-google-home-mini-white/6283741.p?skuId=6283741
12:45 < PigBot> Mount Genie Backpack Outlet Mount for Google Home Mini White ABC802800F001 - Best Buy (at www.bestbuy.com) http://tinyurl.com/ycvl2lhj
12:49 <@shadow404> Evilpig: agreed, very clever
13:04 < dasunt> So does the underage scam happen on Grindr as well?
13:06 < dasunt> The whole starting to talk to someone, then they cut off contact, you get a message from their parent/police/whatever, saying they were really 15 and there's some reason why you must mail them money so you won't get charged with a crime.
13:06 <@shadow404> dasunt: how often does that happen to you?
13:07 < dasunt> shadow404: Never.  I'm married.  It shows up in r/legaladvice occasionally, usually with someone panicking
13:16 <@Dagmar> Let me guess, probably with the lawyers responding "You were scammed.  Ignore it and stop talking to that contact immediately."
13:17 <@shadow404> or, "This is legit, pay me half of what they are demanding, and ill contact them and have it dropped"
13:17 <@shadow404> http://tinyurl.com/ycvl2lhj
13:17 < PigBot> Mount Genie Backpack Outlet Mount for Google Home Mini White ABC802800F001 - Best Buy (at tinyurl.com) http://tinyurl.com/ycvl2lhj
13:17 <@shadow404> oops, ignore that...just dropped a cable crimper on the keyboard
13:17 <@Dagmar> Search Amazon.  There are slightly cheaper ones
13:18 <@shadow404> Dagmar: its what pig posted earlier
13:21 <@Dagmar> paulcarroty: By installing Android Studio and letting it set up the emulator
13:21 <@Dagmar> @#4
13:24 < dasunt> Dagmar: Yep.
13:25 <@Evilpig> there might be cheaper, I just pointed out that it's a clever product
13:28 <@Dagmar> There's tons of them
13:29 <@Dagmar> None that properly attach to the ceiling with their own LED light socket yet, but I'm sure that's coming
13:34 < dasunt> Dagmar: Start a kickstarter project.
13:38 <@Evilpig> I was telling one of my coworkers that I ordered a google home hub and he was asking why.  I explained the number one command that my current google home does is "where is my phone"
13:38 <@Evilpig> then he started looking up the things that google home does.  lol
13:39 <@Evilpig> I'm sure there is a record of how many times i've asked it where my phone is and I'd be ashamed to see it
13:46 <@Mirage> https://www.amazon.com/Firewalla-Security-Firewall-Business-Parental/dp/B079TNMKKY
13:46 < PigBot> Amazon.com: Firewalla: Cyber Security Firewall for Home & Business, Protect Network From Viruses, Malware and Hacking | Smart Parental Control | Block Ads | FREE VPN Server | Connects to router | No Monthly Fee: Computers & Accessories (at www.amazon.com) http://tinyurl.com/y8qrm3zj
13:51 <@Evilpig> https://help.firewalla.com/hc/en-us/articles/115004292514-How-does-Firewalla-Intercept-Traffic
13:51 < PigBot> Tutorial: How does Firewalla Intercept Traffic? – Firewalla (at help.firewalla.com) http://tinyurl.com/y7dpy4x9
14:13  * dasunt has not told off his boss again.
14:13 < dasunt> +1 wisdom.
14:18  * dasunt hasn't told off multiple people.
14:18 < dasunt> I should be in line for sainthood for my patience.
14:19 < dasunt> Someone sent a request in about an error message during saving a document.  I checked the CMS and find two documents that it may be.  But she doesn't recall what document she was trying to save.
14:20 < dasunt> <_<
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