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07:39 <@shadow404> are gpus better at cracking than multi core cpus?
07:39 < aestetix> ok I have to say
07:39 < K`Tetch> depends on the math
07:39 < aestetix> when you are interviewing a candidate for sysadmin, and during the interview process he badmouths "this annoying german who wrote systemd"
07:40 < aestetix> you know you have a winner
07:40 <@shadow404> nice
07:41 <@shadow404> K`Tetch: wap for example or pki?
07:50 <@_NSAKEY> shadow404: In most cases, yes. Slow algorithms like bcrypt and scrypt are the exceptions.
07:50 <@_NSAKEY> But anything that doesn't do salted, iterative hashing is going to be faster on GPUs.
07:50 <@_NSAKEY> Also, anyone who mentions rainbow tables unironically in 2018 doesn't know what they're talking about and needs to STFU
07:52 <@_NSAKEY> The current market's a little weird. NVIDIA kind of fucked everybody by making their reference cards have dual fans. The old blower style was better from a cooling standpoint. That said, AMD has been a slow-motion dumpster fire for quite some time.
07:53 <@shadow404> heh, wow, with gpus getting cheaper in the multi gb range, that could be quite a rig for super cheap
07:53 <@shadow404> i stay away from amd for gaming
07:53 <@_NSAKEY> They suck more than a Dickerson Rd barbie, from a power usage standpoint.
07:54 <@shadow404> and if i can, heatsink the gpu to liquid cooling via heat pipes
07:54 <@_NSAKEY> Yeah, you wouldn't do that in the password cracking space without people laughing.
07:54 <@_NSAKEY> Minga from KoreLogic is kind of insane, and had to dunk a 4 card cracking rig in mineral oil because the AMD cards that were the top of the line for the time period actually caused a fire.
07:55 <@_NSAKEY> Oh, wait. I was completely wrong on that last part. It didn't cause a fire, it just wouldn't stop overheating. https://blog.korelogic.com/blog/2013/06/05/oilcooledgpus
07:55 < PigBot> KoreBlog oilcooledgpus (at blog.korelogic.com) http://tinyurl.com/y9yals9d
07:56 <@_NSAKEY> But, AMD is just an acronym for fire hazard, as I said at PhreakNIC a few years ago. It still holds true today.
07:56 <@shadow404> well, you can walk into a space with any promiscuous mode wifi adapter on a phone in a pocket and just capture packets
07:56 <@shadow404> go back to a rig later and crack
07:56 <@shadow404> anytgi
07:56 <@_NSAKEY> That being said, NVIDIA isn't really a good citizen either, but for entirely different reasons.
07:57 <@_NSAKEY> Yup.
07:57 <@shadow404> anything that doesnt use realtime keys
07:57 <@shadow404> that is
07:58 <@shadow404> havent had issues on my omen laptop, chugs along nicely with any game i throw it, even high quality vr
07:58 <@shadow404> no lag
08:10 <@shadow404> the GTX 960M does tend to get hot, but i just place a stand under my laptop when im gaming to give the fans fresh air for underneath
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09:10 < dasunt> Okay, bunch of nearsighted geeks, LASIK, PRK, or nothing?
09:15 <@Evilpig> I've been considering lasik for years now.  Dementia just had it down a couple of months ago
09:15 <@shadow404> aww, i liked her with glasses personally
09:16 <@Dagmar> You have to be awake while they do it
09:16 <@brimstone> i had lasik a few years back, being able to read the shampoo bottle in the shower is pretty great
09:16 <@brimstone> but i can't fly fighter jets now
09:16 <@Evilpig> I can't recall her ever wearing her glasses outside of non-public times. she always had her contacts in
09:16 <@brimstone> eyes might pop
09:18 <@Evilpig> I'm thinking being able to see myself clearly in the mirror when i'm brushing my teeth might be a neat change
09:19 <@Evilpig> or being able to tell what that blob is down the hall in the middle of the night without fumbling around to find my glasses that have gotten mysteriously tangled in half a dozen usb cables and stuck under the tablet or something crazy
09:20 <@brimstone> oh yeah, my alarm clock isn't 6" tall anymore
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09:43 < aestetix> heh heh heh heh you said 6"
09:45 < dasunt> That's why I'm thinking PRK.  It's supposed to have less of a risk if you're active.
09:45 < dasunt> And it would be nice to be able to go camping and stuff and not have to deal with dark blobs on the trail to the bathroom.
09:46 < dasunt> It makes my brain lazy by not having to assign scary shapes to sharply defined images.  :)
09:52 < dasunt> brimstone: Did you do LASIK, LASEK, or PRK?
09:53 <@Corydon76> I did LASIK.  Great job, and I'd do it again.
09:53 <@Corydon76> The halos around objects at night diminish over time.
09:54 <@Corydon76> It does take awhile to stop reaching for your glasses when you wake up, however.
09:55 < dasunt> The reason I'm leaning towards PRK is that LASIK has more of a chance of detatching the cornea flap if you are active.
09:55 <@Corydon76> Especially fun when you aren't completely woken up and you start searching around on the floor for them, thinking you must have knocked them off the bed stand onto the floor.
09:56 < dasunt> "You must have knocked them"...  Do you know how I can tell you don't have cats?
09:56 <@Corydon76> dasunt: if you aren't flying fighter jets or skydiving, you should be fine.
09:57 <@Corydon76> It takes a LOT of pressure to dislodge the flap
09:57 < dasunt> More or less than it takes for a TBI?
09:57 <@Corydon76> Dunno, never had a TBI
09:58 < dasunt> I've known three people with them, all from cycling.  Two others have had broken bones.
09:58 <@Corydon76> Oh, right, you're an insane person who travels at high speed without a protective cage.  PRK is probably better for you.
09:59 < dasunt> Yes, I am.
10:00 < dasunt> Don't think I'm being paranoid or overstating my risks.  I just have more unconventional lifestyle.
10:03 < dasunt> WTF is SMILE?
10:06 <@Corydon76> Small-Incision Lenticule Extraction
10:06 < dasunt> This is a little confusing - LASIK, LASEK, PRK, SMILE.
10:08 <@Corydon76> https://www.allaboutvision.com/visionsurgery/smile.htm
10:08 < PigBot> SMILE Eye Surgery: What's Different Than LASIK? (at www.allaboutvision.com) http://tinyurl.com/ya5n4pk4
10:10 < dasunt> I'm not sure why "not pregnant" is a condition for LASEK/PRK, but Wikipedia lists it.  Maybe infection?
10:11 <@brimstone> it's because we still know so little about birth and no pregnant woman is willing to let us experiment on them
10:12 < dasunt> brimstone: Women don't want to fully participate in society.  Time to take away their vote!
10:12 < dasunt>  /s <- necessary these days.  :(
10:12 <@brimstone> no kidding
10:14 <@Mirage> Wife was scheduled for LASIK at VU Eye Center.  Went in for her appt and was told they needed to reschedule for the next day because the laser was being worked on and re-calibrated.   Didn't instill much confidence in her, so she never went back.
10:14 <@brimstone> dasunt: i did LAS?K not sure which varient
10:14 <@brimstone> variant?
10:14 <@brimstone> there were only two when it was an option for me
10:14 < dasunt> Mirage: Would it make her feel better if they said they never calibrated the laser?
10:14 <@Mirage> brimstone: varyunt?
10:14 <@Mirage> =P
10:15 <@Mirage> dasunt: would have made her feel better if they hadn't said it was broken and being repaired, but should be just fine tomorrow.
10:16 <@Mirage> knowing it happens and being told, "it's broke and we're fixing it right now, so it should be OK for you being the first client tomorrow"
10:17 <@Mirage> are comepletely different
10:24 < dasunt> True.
10:24 < dasunt> I kind of read that as the laser was just being recalibrated, which seemed saner.
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10:29 <@Corydon76> My guess is the beginning of every day, they do a test run, and if it fails, they recalibrate it.
10:31 < dasunt> So since I'm 40, how soon will I need reading glasses?  :(
10:32 <@Corydon76> It varies based upon the person.  Basically, when you have trouble reading the written page, and you find that reading glasses help
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10:33 <@Corydon76> A number of aging issues are that way.  When you start having trouble sleeping at night, the doctors start recommending that you cut out caffeine intake after noon.
10:33 < dasunt> Woah!
10:33 < dasunt> Those bastards!
10:34 <@Corydon76> Yeah, I know.  I have a feeling I'm going to go a long time before that, though, since I'm still able to chug a can of Monster and then go to bed.
10:36 < dasunt> Looking at reviews of some eye docs, I see a trend:  5 star and 1 star.  Nothing in the middle.
10:39 <@Corydon76> If you critically look at the 1-star reviews, I think you'll see a trend of unrealistic expectations.
10:40 <@Corydon76> There's unfortunately a sizeable number of people who get post-care instructions and never bother reading or following them, which is why you get complications
10:40 < dasunt> I saw one that said the aid/technician putting in eyedrops was a bitch.
10:40 < dasunt> <_<
10:40 <@Corydon76> Yeah...
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11:11 < dasunt> I kind of like 2-4 star reviews, often.
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11:27 < dasunt> SSH2_MSG_USERAUTH_SUCCESS.  All your servers now belong to us!
11:56 <@Evilpig> https://www.cbs.com/shows/criminal_minds/video/edKKa9NZWmXcrDU19M5jAzJ4LVpoeQGP/criminal-minds-rule-34/
11:56 < PigBot> Watch Criminal Minds Season 14 Episode 3: Rule 34 - Full show on CBS All Access (at www.cbs.com) http://tinyurl.com/y8yxp5pr
11:56 <@Evilpig> so... either they don't know what rule 34 is... or I don't know what.
11:57 <@Evilpig> In any case.  NCIS just declared rule 34 on itself.  
12:00 <@Evilpig> s/NCIS/Criminal Minds/
12:02 <@Dagmar> Reading the synopsis, that's just daft
12:03 <@Dagmar> They had to make it a murder porn thing?
12:09 <@Dagmar> keoegie: Note, it hasn't been necessary to specify you want a loopback mount for some time now
12:11 <@Evilpig> that's like every episode
12:18 <@Evilpig> they just had a character quote rule 34
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16:01 <@Mirage> bah...VMWare Workstation doesn't like my having changed processors.   My local VMs won't run now.  =(
16:12 < dasunt> Well, we heard it from Trump - the Saudis are as innocent as Kavanaugh.
16:13  * dasunt agrees.
16:27 <@rhia> and both are as innocent as the mafia don in chief Trump
17:11 < dasunt> What an innocent Trump!
17:44 <@rhia> as pure as the snowplow driven snow
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