--- Log opened Fri Sep 21 00:00:42 2018
06:21 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:22  * Dolemite finally comes up for air after a week full of Mondays
06:22  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
06:23 < aestetix> Dolemite: I bet my week sucked more than your week
06:24 < aestetix> main reason: been sick the last three days
06:28 <@Dolemite> I've been dealing with having a consultant on site that I scheduled ages ago - while someone who was responsible for a major compliance project kept needing to pull me away for his help because he didn't really understand what he was doing; all while also being given a directive to come up to speed on managing our AWS presence by today.
06:28 <@Dolemite> So today I'm wearing my t-shirt that simply affirms why I don't have the patience to work helpdesk
06:28 < aestetix> Dolemite: time to ask for a raise
06:28 <@Dolemite> It's my Rick Sanchez (of Rick & Morty) saying, "No, you're right.   Let's do it the dumbest way possible because it's easier for you."
06:29 <@Dolemite> aestetix: I already got 2 raises this year, so I can't complain about that
06:29 <@Dolemite> But I've certainly solidified a larger one for January
06:30 < aestetix> so drinks are on you
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07:40 <@Dolemite> aestetix: No, unfortunately the last raise was completely swallowed up by the fact that we have a monthly car payment for the first time in 8 years.
09:23 <@Mirage> Dolemite: And that's why you buy used..
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09:56 < dasunt> Oh, now Trump is attacking Ford.
09:57 < dasunt> He must have escaped his handlers.
09:59 < aestetix> I really do think the world would be a better place without twitter
10:00 < dasunt> I don't check it, except to confirm a news report.
10:01 < aestetix> I have it blocked at the DNS level on my computer
10:01 < aestetix> but I still get regular updates because many journalists have ceded authority to it
10:01 < dasunt> Well, our president does use it.
10:01 < aestetix> who needs to do fact checking when you can just add a few tweets into your blog and call it an articel
10:01 < dasunt> It is newsworthy to report on what the president says.
10:01 < aestetix> and the moment he says anything, you'll see it reported in every american newspaper
10:02 < dasunt> That tends to be the way it goes with presidents, even before Twitter.
10:07 <@Dolemite> Mirage: This was used, but only slightly.   It's a resale from Hertz with low mileage and still has warranty left to it.
10:10 <@Mirage> Dolemite: on eof the guys at work got lucky on a new truck find.  Someone with more money than sense had bought a pickup with several options, drove it for a week, then took it back because they decided they needed the headed seats and steering wheel after all.   Couldn't get those added to the truck, so took the depreciation hit trading it in to get another truck with the extra options wanted.
10:10 < dasunt> I don't think I ever had a car payment in my life.
10:11 < dasunt> Also, I'm up to three motor vehicles now, somehow, and I either bicycle or bus to work.  <_<
10:12 <@Mirage> Dolemite: so the guy from work got a 2018 truck with less than 1k miles on it for a little over $15k off the regular sticker price
10:12 <@Evilpig> having a butt warmer/cooler is pretty nice. I gotta admit I am a fan
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10:33 <@ezelkow1> once you go butt warmer you never go back
10:33 <@ezelkow1> after i moved to denver, sold my car and got a new one that had it, oh man, life changer in the winter
12:04 <@Mirage> taking the required "workplace ethics" training for work and have decided that the score shouldn't be a %%, but should be a D&D Alignment.
12:18 < dasunt> I just wear thinsulate-lined pants in winter.
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12:34 < dasunt> Ever think about standing up and just leaving your job?
12:35 < dasunt> Walk right out the door, never look back?
12:35 <@shapr> yeah, but then I took that person out for parking lot therapy intsead
12:35 < dasunt> Parking lot therapy?
12:36 <@shapr> usually means meeting a coworker in the parking lot with a tire iron
12:36 < dasunt> LOL.
12:36 <@shapr> but in this case, I just calmly told that person exactly why I didn't enjoy working with them
12:36 <@shapr> half an hour later, they looked like they were going to cry
12:36 <@shapr> and said they'd do better
12:36 <@shapr> and they have!
12:37 <@shapr> "you left all caps comments on my PRs"
12:37 <@shapr> "You rewrote one of my PRs entirely"
12:38 < dasunt> I think I may be stuck with just leaving.
12:38 <@shapr> "You consistently say I'm too stupid to write C++"
12:41 < dasunt> I'm dealing with my boss constantly cutting corners when she tries to do my job, which leads to more work later, but also she thinks I'm slow because I take longer than her to do the same job.
12:41 <@shapr> uhh
12:42 <@shapr> when she does the job, is it good enough for making money?
12:42 <@Mirage> talk to her boss
12:42 < dasunt> shapr: Well, last time, it tied up me and three other people for a half hour as we figured things out.
12:42 <@shapr> that's a problem, did you describe this to your boss?
12:43 <@Mirage> are you hourly or salary?
12:43 <@shapr> "fast, quality, cheap; pick two if you're lucky"
12:43 < dasunt> Hourly.
12:43 < dasunt> We have a flat enough structure and a small enough department that if I complain, she'll know.
12:44 <@shapr> in that case, tell her that you get paid more to do less when she fixes things her way
12:44 <@Mirage> does any of this net you overtime and not come up as a ding against you in performance reviews?
12:44 <@shapr> if it comes up as a ding against you in reviews, then explain to her that she's making you look bad?
12:45 <@shapr> I always try to appeal to someone's enlightened self-interest
12:46 <@Mirage> always, always, always document that you are correcting an issue induced by someone else when doing so..name names if you feel like it, but if it has the potential to impact your job, raises, etc you need to be sure to CYA
12:47 <@shapr> yeah, think of it like metrics
12:47 < dasunt> Oh, my boss is opposed to giving me overtime beyond 40hrs.
12:47 < dasunt> It's really weird.
12:47 <@shapr> if you know what work costs how much, your company has enough info to optimize
12:47 < dasunt> I've asked for it (IIRC) once in two years.  Otherwise busting my ass to get shit done.
12:48 <@Mirage> If there's not one, I'd write up a process document on the RIGHT way to do it, then submit that for adoption.  Then you have a better footing for raising the issue of your manager messing things up by not following the documented process
12:48 <@shapr> oh, good idea
12:48 <@shapr> once you have a playbook / best practice document, then you can point to that
12:49 <@shapr> also, if someone knows a better way to do something, they can edit that document
12:49 <@shapr> and if your boss suggests the corner cutting ways, you can 1. point out how they cause more work or 2. learn something new and awesome
12:51 <@Mirage> if it's something often repeated with a known and predictable outcome that can be verified programatically, create a 'validation script' that will perform post-implementation validation and output a report file that can be saved/referenced.
12:51 < dasunt> Oh, funny, that's part of my documentation rants that I seem to engage in once a day in this channel.
12:52 < dasunt> Somehow, tyhe documentation that I maintained and existed since before I worked here, in the document management system, couldn't be found by her, so she started it from scratch.  Outside of the document management system.
12:53 < dasunt> And I try to tell myself that I'm getting paid either way, but I do have that obsessive-compulsive urge to have shit where I expect it.
12:54 <@shapr> dasunt: you need cohesion on that part
12:54 <@shapr> either port all your docs to her system or get her to use your system
12:54 <@Mirage> send her a link to the documentation via email.  Just to be sure that everyone knows where it is, also include the rest of your team.   This will accomplish a "paper trail" of having shared the link for the proper documentation as well as extra validation by everyone else on your team that the correct documentation has been shared with her.
12:55 < dasunt> We talked about this about a month ago.  It's a "todo".
12:55 < dasunt> AFAIK, we have no coherent documentation policy.
12:56 <@Mirage> sign your manager up for some ITIL email lists, etc
12:57 <@Mirage> =)
12:57 <@Mirage> IMO the two main takeaways from ITIL are "documentation" and "training"
13:01 <@shapr> dasunt: create a coherent documentation policy, document that policy, YOU WIN
13:01 <@shapr> if you're the person creating the docs, you also get to create reality :-)
13:02 < dasunt> LOL.
13:03 <@shapr> that really does work, I've done it several times.
13:06 < dasunt> Thanks.
13:06 < dasunt> I know it sounds petty, but it's extremely frustrating when you have to constantly search for documentation.
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13:46 <@eryc> you guys see the 3d gun guy got arrested?
13:51 <@brimstone> the pedophile?
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14:27 <@Evilpig> brimstone: alleged pedophile
14:35 <@eryc> elon said everyone in taiwan is a pedo
14:47 < xray> elon is getting sued
14:47 < xray> for his rash accusations
14:51 <@eryc> elon has 85 kids who signed a letter saying the guy is a pedo
14:59 < xray> And eryc is secretly the Pope and a member of the Illuminati.
15:04 <@Evilpig> my entire day just disappeared into troubleshooting bullshit
15:06 <@Evilpig> this vender is claiming that they have a problem with their application and how apache establishes sockets.  their application runs on tomcat, on apache, on windows.  supposedly over the course of several hours the 15,000 computers that are hitting this thing aren't tearing down the ssl session correctly and they claim that apache is consuming all the available sockets on the box leading it to performing poorly
15:06 <@Evilpig> AND that apache is working on correcting this issue with their software...
15:06 <@eryc> i am an illuminati templar
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15:06 <@Evilpig> I enjoyed telling that guy he was full of shit
15:07 <@eryc> "apache is correcting it"
15:07 <@Evilpig> it is probbaly true that their software isn't tearing down the connections correctly, but blaming iton apache and saying it's a bug with them.  come the fuck on
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15:09 <@Corydon76> Evilpig: Actually, I wouldn't be surprised that Tomcat had such a bug.
15:10 <@Corydon76> Remember, it's written in Java, and Java is a steaming pile...
15:10 <@Evilpig> oh I agree
15:10 <@eryc> AJP uses connection pooling
15:10 <@Evilpig> their fix for the situation was to run this app over http instead of https
15:10 <@eryc> Tomcat works fine if you know what you are doing
15:11 <@eryc> http as in port 8080?
15:12 <@eryc> ie bypassing apache
15:12 <@Evilpig> http as in port 80 and http not https
15:12 <@Evilpig> they are claiming this bug has to do with ssl specifically
15:13 <@Corydon76> Does Tomcat handle the SSL itself, or does it use mod_ssl?  I genuinely don't know.
15:13 <@eryc> usually if you proxy thru apache you terminate ssl there and serve static content
15:13 <@Evilpig> not sure myself.  I assume it does itself since it has a confirugation for ciphers
15:13 <@Corydon76> Because if it's handling it itself, then the solution is simple:  proxy through Apache and mod_ssl
15:14 <@eryc> updating java keystores is a pain in the dick
15:15 <@Evilpig> we also have a load balancer in front of it so the keystore isn't an issue
15:15 <@Evilpig> we do the ssl termination at the load balancer and provide valid certs to the clients
15:15 <@eryc> most people dont both to encrypt past the load balancer
15:16 <@eryc> unless its some cloud thing
15:18 <@Evilpig> we do secure behind the load balancer but we aren't validating the cert
15:18 <@Evilpig> just to make sure anything on the wire is encrypted
15:22 <@eryc> *shrug* just makes it slightly more difficult to intercept but it sounds good
15:37 <@Evilpig> slinging patient data around a little extra security is always good
15:37 <@eryc> you should setup arpwatch
15:38 <@Evilpig> let the network guys watch that shit
15:38 <@eryc> with what
15:38 <@Evilpig> they can see the arp traffic at the physical layer 
15:39 <@Evilpig> they control everything that low in the stack
15:39 <@eryc> arp isnt that low in the stack
15:39 <@eryc> i dont know of any other tools like arpwatch
15:40 <@eryc> unless you mean logging into the switch/router and typing 'show mac-addr-table' lol
15:41 <@eryc> you could pin each port to a mac
15:41 <@eryc> thats done in secure environments
15:41 <@Evilpig> they have an appliance that is supposedly watching a shitload of flows on the network through port mirroring or whatever cisco calls it
15:41 <@eryc> netflow doesnt watch for arp tho
15:41 <@Evilpig> I was told yesterday that they are upping our splunk licenese to handle their traffic that is supposed to need a 2TB/day license
15:42 <@Evilpig> not sure if that is supposed to be for just firewall shit or if it's something for the network.  either way I don't really care much
15:45 <@eryc> people are always scared of the network.. but the network guys are usually pretty retarded
15:46 <@eryc> and they usually know it, so they are very territorial to protect their jerb
15:47 <@Evilpig> our network guys are shining beacons of adequacy.  They are looked as as all stars when compared against the guys that run our exchange environment
15:47 <@eryc> people still bother running exchange?
15:47 <@eryc> amazing
15:48 <@Evilpig> we're in the middle of splitting the university and the hospital into their own exchange environments while simultaneously moving from on prem hosting to cloud
15:48 <@eryc> for the cost of those people you could save a lot with o365
15:48 <@eryc> most univs are using google
15:49 <@Evilpig> I don't envy those clowns but I can say this cannot be any more fukt
15:50 < dasunt> Weee - and our documentation contradicts itself.
15:51 < dasunt> Jesus H. Christ.  For eight years, we had consistant documentation, one document, nice and easy to do.
15:51 < dasunt> Now, we have a mess.
15:51  * dasunt finds his trigger.
15:52 <@eryc> Evilpig: if you're doing ssl in tomcat why both with apache?
15:52 <@eryc> bother
15:52 <@eryc> and if you aren't updating the cert why bother with apache
15:59 <@_NSAKEY> dasunt: Sounds like you need a selective documentation burning session.
16:00 <@_NSAKEY> Use the burned documentation as fuel for also burning the heretics who created the bad documentation.
16:01 <@Evilpig> eryc: I'm not doing anything with ssl.  :)
16:01 <@Evilpig> we manage the load balancers and the wildcards
16:02 <@Evilpig> I just get the joy of trying to troubleshoot when shit doesn't work right and speaking with venders when customers don't know the questions to ask
17:52 <@eryc> https://store.steampowered.com/app/933080/Fire_Place/
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