--- Log opened Fri Sep 14 00:00:32 2018 02:47 -!- crashcartpro [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uzzpfsdfirnnmmbp] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 06:36 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 06:39 <@Dolemite> Man, as much shit as people talk about PHP... there seem to be way more horrible, dead end wrong answers about Python that bubble to the top of Google search requests than I ever saw with PHP. 06:51 < aestetix> php isn't as bad as node 06:54 <@Dolemite> Oh I've seen framework projects get even more out of hand than hand cobbled, for sure. 07:02 < xray> I'm looking at the live camera at the Frying Pan Shoals station and it almost looks normal and as far as I can tell it should be about 30 miles from the eye which is on top of Wilmington NC 07:02 < xray> Makes no sense or I got the location wrong 07:16 < xray> the coordinates of the cam 33° 29' N 77° 35.5' W 07:17 < xray> Based on the wind data it should be getting hammered 07:17 < xray> https://www.windy.com/?33.776,-84.398,5 07:17 < PigBot> Windy: Wind map & weather forecast (at www.windy.com) http://tinyurl.com/yb6lqowj 08:26 <@Mirage> Dolemite: that OO-Php framework that the Studend computer group decided to use for the Student Council voting site was annoying as hell to have to fix for them..and as far as I could tell didn't do anything for making it easier to code the page. 08:33 <@Dolemite> Mirage: Goes back to the old adage - just because you CAN do a thing, it doens't mean you SHOULD. 08:35 <@Mirage> Yeah, I can't remember the kids name who took over from Hamilton, but I'm pretty sure I told him that very thing at least 2-3 times. 08:52 -!- dfused [~dfused@c-73-11-137-36.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 08:53 -!- xray [~xray@c-73-43-4-206.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 08:53 -!- Warcop [~josh@mobile-166-177-187-138.mycingular.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:53 -!- xray [~xray@c-73-43-4-206.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 08:55 -!- Warcop [~josh@mobile-166-177-187-138.mycingular.net] has joined #se2600 09:27 < dasunt> one of our weird customs has to be making some sort of weatherman or news reporter stand outside in a hurricane to be taped. 10:16 <@Mirage> dasunt: Dunno about you, but about the only time I 100% believe them is when they are standing in it. 10:21 <@Evilpig> I like how they tell people about these storms impaling buildings with things like pieces of straw and trees, but not once has a reporter been impaled for my entertainment. I'm calling bullshit on this phenomenon 10:26 < jilt> Warcop 10:47 -!- Mirage [~mirage@ra.thehippo.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:48 -!- Mirage [~mirage@ra.thehippo.net] has joined #se2600 10:49 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Mirage] by ChanServ 10:58 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nwuxkdbqgpwlucfu] has joined #se2600 11:44 < dasunt> Evilpig: Straw cannot impale steel beams! Er, wait... 12:10 < dasunt> So stupid question, but why don't they build homes in coastal surge zones with a concrete block garage on the first floor, and the house above? 12:11 < dasunt> Aesthetics? Tradition? Or am I missing something obvious? 12:22 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@47.39.211.239] has joined #se2600 12:26 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:38 <@rhia> dasunt, blind faith 12:38 <@rhia> Jebus will save me! 12:52 < dasunt> Go Jebus. 12:54 < dasunt> IDK why, but that reminds me - best suggestion I saw for the master/slave debate in Python is that while most terms for a relationship where person A is under control of person B are indicative of a relationship of unwanted control/abuse, there's a pair of terms that are not: Dom/Sub. 12:54 < dasunt> I totally think computer science should replace master/slave with dom/sub to be way more PC. 12:59 < aestetix> hahaha 13:08 <@Mirage> IMO the best suggestion is "grow the fuck up... the terms "Master" and "Slave" existed well before slavery in the US and are not exclusive to that." 14:06 <@eryc> shutup racist 14:07 <@eryc> now go re screenprint all the MISO/MOSI labels 14:23 < xray> How about mad scientist/minion 14:23 < xray> or enabler/disfunctional 14:25 < xray> No, that is just a bit to descriptive of their code. 14:25 < xray> I'm all for spending the time on a worthless debate on writing code that doesn't give away all my PII. 14:27 <@eryc> they already decided on primary/replica or leader/follower 14:29 < xray> which seems to indicate a significant lack of immagination 14:29 -!- K`Tetch [~no@47.39.211.239] has joined #se2600 14:29 -!- K`Tetch [~no@47.39.211.239] has quit [Changing host] 14:29 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has joined #se2600 14:30 < xray> and yet they listen and watch stuff like this https://www.last.fm/music/Health/_/Die+Slow 14:30 < PigBot> Die Slow — Health | Last.fm (at www.last.fm) http://tinyurl.com/yc6u6mn8 14:32 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@47.39.211.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:35 -!- Warcop [~josh@mobile-166-177-187-138.mycingular.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:41 -!- Warcop [~josh@mobile-166-177-187-138.mycingular.net] has joined #se2600 14:45 <@eryc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AeWu1fZ7bY 14:45 < PigBot> Benno Rice: The Tragedy of systemd -- BSDCan 2018 (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/yc3qm3va 16:23 * Dagmar breaks out the popcorn 16:25 < dasunt> Does leader/follower actually not cause problems? 16:26 < dasunt> Also, do German python programmers talk about der fuhrer then? 16:30 <@Mirage> eryc: I hope they go with "leader/follower" and then ppl start complaining about those terms because of cults and things like Manson, Jonestown, Waco, etc 16:31 <@eryc> i think some other project went with leader follower 16:31 <@eryc> python changes are already committed 16:32 < dasunt> So does that terminology actually work for what Python is changing? 16:32 <@eryc> you guys don't even code in python 16:32 <@eryc> gtfo my lawn 16:32 < dasunt> Indentation as syntax turned me off of it. 16:33 <@Mirage> So at PN the SSID should be "Master" and DHCP should assign each client a DDNS name of "slave[0-9]+" 16:33 <@_NSAKEY> Mirage: One of my stated goals for this year is triggering ben, so I approve of this idea. 16:33 <@Mirage> If I were back there and still doing the network I guarantee that would be the setup 16:33 <@_NSAKEY> He's nagged me multiple times about making this year's network talk "family friendly." 16:34 <@_NSAKEY> I kind of want to do 60 slides of tubgirl just because. 16:34 <@Mirage> You need to be less obvious and open yourself to more possibilities...talk about the history of Memes 16:35 <@_NSAKEY> I had thought of taking the oil painting version of tubgirl, rasterbate it, then use each square as a slide. 16:35 <@_NSAKEY> Then show the full oil painting at the end. 16:36 <@eryc> dasunt: anyone who doesn't use an IDE to code nowadays is a fool 16:36 <@eryc> and the IDE handles indentation for you 16:36 <@eryc> pycharm and vscode are freely available 16:36 <@Mirage> even more disturbing that tubgirl: http://thehippo.net/images/wilbur.jpg 16:36 < PigBot> None (at thehippo.net) http://tinyurl.com/yak79q8r 16:36 <@eryc> microsoft is all in on python 16:37 <@Mirage> eryc: does Crimson Editor count as an IDE? 16:37 <@eryc> the nice thing about whitespace blocks is not having to type { ] 16:37 <@eryc> { } 16:38 <@Mirage> IDE's are for lazy people 16:38 <@eryc> its much easier to aim for shift+tab than } 16:38 <@eryc> you guys can barely program 16:38 <@eryc> i wouldt be so pompous 16:38 <@Mirage> Just use something with a syntax checker like Crimson, Notepad++, vim, etc 16:38 <@Mirage> fuck you if you say EMACs 16:39 <@eryc> i dont know if ive heard of crimson editor 16:39 <@eryc> which means it sucks 16:39 < dasunt> Don't tell me how to code! 16:39 <@Mirage> or you're too young 16:40 <@Mirage> it was the precursor to notepad++ 16:40 <@eryc> i code in volkswriter 16:40 <@Mirage> or at least a precursor 16:40 <@eryc> i use notepad++ for notes 16:40 <@eryc> and opening random shit 16:41 < dasunt> notepad++ for notes? 16:41 <@eryc> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswriter 16:41 < PigBot> Volkswriter - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/y7o6a3m3 16:41 <@Mirage> the bonus of notepad++ on windows is that you can grab the portable app and not have to install anything 16:41 < dasunt> Ummmm. Wiki, evernote, even onenote is better. 16:42 <@eryc> yea if you like bloated crap 16:42 <@eryc> i can save to cloud storagee 16:42 < dasunt> So in Notepad++ does it support any images? Or are you limited to text? 16:42 <@eryc> what do i need images for? 16:42 < dasunt> Notes. 16:42 <@eryc> ? 16:42 <@Dagmar> Run 'em through libcaca 16:44 < dasunt> Like in my OneNote, under the scooter notes, I have a few pictures of the carb with what each screw adjusts. 16:44 <@eryc> i just use google photos or keep 16:45 <@eryc> i'm not saying i'm extremely organized 16:45 <@Mirage> Evilpig: you still have your streaming webcam? I need to grab a newer picture. =) 16:45 <@eryc> for projects i like Taiga which supports images 16:45 < dasunt> I'm not either, but I'll use images sometimes in my notes, like when I'm doing the pros and cons of various products. 16:46 <@eryc> i usually just keep mental notes when comparing vendors 16:46 <@eryc> except for specific specs 16:46 <@eryc> op/s, mtbf, etc 16:47 <@Dagmar> Keep's good for that 16:47 <@eryc> i place an inordinate amount of weight on the quality of their docs and website 16:47 <@eryc> and how sleezy their sales guys are 16:48 <@Mirage> i use keep for short-term things i need on my phone. model number/part number for something. list of materials i need to buy for a project, etc. 16:48 <@eryc> i usually opt to build things myself anyway 16:48 <@eryc> i have a good hardware vendor for supermicro 16:49 <@eryc> yea keep is my goto on the phone 16:51 <@Dagmar> I like the geofenced alerts 16:52 <@eryc> you could have the best product in the world but if your website sucks and your sales guys reek of sleeze i'm not interested unless i never need to talk to you again 16:52 <@Dagmar> Damn right 16:52 <@Dagmar> Amen 16:53 <@Mirage> Damn, _NSAKEY got quiet..that pic of Evilpig must've really gotten to him. =) 16:54 <@Mirage> eryc: if you lived where I do given that criteria, you wouldn't have internet. 17:03 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:03 -!- K`Tetch [~no@47.39.211.239] has joined #se2600 17:03 -!- K`Tetch [~no@47.39.211.239] has quit [Changing host] 17:03 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has joined #se2600 17:04 <@eryc> i make moving decisions based on food delivery and internet availability 17:04 <@eryc> and crime maps 17:05 <@eryc> internet is a monopoly anyway.. not much you can do until 5g rolls outOP 17:05 <@eryc> *out 17:06 <@eryc> 5g should actually improve terrestrial internet 17:06 <@Mirage> what does 5g have to do with internet connectivity....unless of course you just use your phone for your internet connection. 17:06 <@eryc> newb 17:07 <@eryc> 5g is going after business internet with gigabit speeds 17:07 <@eryc> you do realize thats where the money is 17:08 <@eryc> there's no money in consumer anything 17:08 <@eryc> unless you're apple 17:08 <@eryc> in which case there's a sucker born everyday 17:09 <@eryc> with p2p vpn there's no need for landlines 17:09 <@Mirage> business internet from a wireless carrier...i don't even wanna think how inflated the prices for that would be. 17:10 <@eryc> thats because current spectrum is limited 17:10 <@eryc> 5g has gobs of bandwidth 17:10 <@eryc> also business internet is crazy expensive now 17:11 <@Mirage> there's zero reason for any FTH service to have asymetric speeds, but some companies do that. ATT is a prime offender. 17:11 <@eryc> yea 17:11 <@Mirage> s/FTH/FTTH/ 17:11 <@eryc> you coudl argue that it saves money 17:12 <@eryc> with downstream caching 17:12 <@eryc> i mean we'll see what happens with 5g 17:13 <@eryc> people are saying recently that google fiber is a failure 17:13 <@eryc> youtube tv is pretty cool tho 17:14 <@Mirage> based on past trends and experience, I predict that all the wireless carriers push it hard, charge more for it (when they can), and impose the same restrictions and add-on fees as 2g, 3g, LTE, 4g 17:14 <@eryc> idk whats wrong with google fiber i just saw that recently 17:14 <@eryc> i have google fi which is very reasonable 17:15 <@eryc> worldwide service 17:15 <@eryc> no roaming charges 17:15 <@Mirage> I could see the argument for it being a failure based on the fact that it's been blocked in a ton of potential markets thanks to the utility companies 17:15 <@eryc> that could be it 17:15 <@eryc> lobbyist/greasy palm failure 17:16 <@Mirage> Wasn't it Lousiville, KY that passed a city ordinance to allow use of poles because the utility companies had blocked google using them...so then the utility companies went after the city over the ordinance 17:18 <@eryc> sounds right 17:19 <@_NSAKEY> Mirage: That also happened in Nashville. 17:19 <@_NSAKEY> A friend observed that the same contractors who did AT&T and Comcast work were doing the Google Fiber work. 17:20 <@_NSAKEY> Recently, a comcast tech bemoaned the fact that Google's "people" intentionally sabotaged their network by cutting wires and just leaving them in the street, as part of one touch make ready. 17:20 <@_NSAKEY> I didn't tell him this, but I had a good laugh at the thought that the contractors intentionally did that, knowing that they'd get paid on both ends like an arms dealer. 17:21 <@_NSAKEY> The tech also related to me that the reason for their stupid assymetric stuff is because comcast is scared shitless of torrenting, and what it would do to their capacity. 17:21 <@Mirage> I thought that the pole use issue had been resolved when Nextlink was in the area and fought to use the poles. 17:21 <@Dagmar> It's not like Comcast doesn't do that shit to their own customers 17:22 <@_NSAKEY> Dagmar: Exactly. That shit's business as usual, it seems. I just found it funny that the same contractors who cut the wires would be the same ones to replace them. It was probably intentional. 17:22 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: If htey were symmetric, the volume of transit they do would have them laughed out of the building when they bring up the subject of wanting to be paid "for access to our customers": 17:22 <@_NSAKEY> That's assuming the guy was being truthful, of course. 17:22 <@Dagmar> Yeah don't expect a Comcast person to tell the truth 19:59 <@eryc> i mean at the end of the day its just some guy staring at a cacti graph for their peering links 19:59 <@eryc> *maybe* they have grafana now or even some commercial crap.. but unlikely 20:00 <@eryc> if downstream gets clogged its mostly not a big deal.. if upstream goes then everyone thinks their internet is broken 20:01 <@eryc> actually doesnt xray work for comcast? 20:01 <@eryc> or someone here 20:15 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nwuxkdbqgpwlucfu] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20:37 < K`Tetch> xray works at GT 20:38 <@eryc> you work at comcast? 20:38 < K`Tetch> i work at torrentfreak, i jsut research against comcast 20:39 < K`Tetch> i'm not sure ayone here works at crudcast 20:41 <@eryc> someone works on the CDN at comcast 20:42 <@eryc> in colorado 20:44 -!- dfused [~dfused@c-71-197-193-151.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 22:12 <@Evilpig> _NSAKEY: that passed in louisville, it was fought and lost in nashville 22:16 <@eryc> people in kentucky shouldnt have internet anyway 23:29 < Warcop> it bugs me to see all the junk presented at mobile world congress.. innovation is great and all, but there's still large patches of consumers that still lack fixed broadband options even in close radius of major metro 23:31 < Warcop> MWCA was all - hey you're going to have AR/VR cloud gaming and holographic meetings because of 5G. Really people. --- Log closed Sat Sep 15 00:00:33 2018