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06:25 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:27  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
08:33 < zeroborg> anyone have their oscp?
08:45 < zeroborg> Also, if anyone cares haha, i've abandoned micropython for the time being and just gonna stick to arduino proper
08:56 < xray> What led you to this decision?
09:02 <@Corydon76> There was an interesting compiled form of BASIC that was designed for Arduino a while back, as well
09:03 < zeroborg> Not abandoning i guess, just not using for the only project i've been fooling with. I'll probably use micropython for a few projects when the parts come in.
09:03 < zeroborg> I think, long term, it'd be better to learn c/c++ that arduino uses if im going to be messing with microcontrollers for the long term
09:04 <@Corydon76> Unless you're learning assembly language for the Arduino CPU, it's all going to be interpreted in some fashion; whether it's C/C++ or Python is immaterial
09:05 < zeroborg> yeah, your right. a few other issues is documentation and board support
09:05 <@Corydon76> But if you're going to eschew Micropython, I suggest staying away from C++, as it has the same memory pitfalls.
09:06 < zeroborg> I have a few esp8622's ill use micropython on, so i can continue to learn it. It's also 3.3v logic. I have a few uno's / nano's coming in to learn arduino too, plus they have 5v logic.
09:07 <@Corydon76> OTOH, if you're looking to contribute, using your experiences to contribute to the documentation is one of the easiest methods.
09:07 < zeroborg> I could buy the Pyboard itself...but its lik3 $40.
09:07 < zeroborg> I think, i'll continue to learn / do both. ....i just have a 5v part and a 3.3v board lol.
09:08 <@Corydon76> I have friends who contributed to Asterisk who are lionized above core developers due to their contributed documentation
09:09 < zeroborg> I should have really said, i'm going to use less time on it. I'm trying to solidify my linux skills right now. Beyond just what i've learned installing it and playing on raspberry pi. Actually learn it.
09:10 < zeroborg> I think i'm gonna spend a bit more time there, then on microcontrollers. Just for a bit. Idk i'll probably do them both. But use them each as a way to take a short break from the other.
09:18 <@Corydon76> Just curious; what were your applications for the microcontroller to begin with?
09:18 < zeroborg> right now. Turn on my workshop lights via a pir motion
09:18 <@Corydon76> Ah, very nice.
09:18 < zeroborg> So an esp8622 is wasted, since it doesnt need internet for that application. Bought an arduino nano since its $2 and it cannot use micropython so ill have to learn some arduino code.
09:19 < zeroborg> Any application i have right now is SUPER basic and beginner
09:19 <@Corydon76> Not necessarily.  The Internet connection is very useful if you want to check state and trigger an off event remotely
09:20 <@Corydon76> I love the hybrid methods of triggering on and off events possible
09:20 < zeroborg> I think im gonna do that, and learn to use the esp8622, just in some other application. The PIR sensors i have are 5v so they don't work on the 3.3v esp8622...i've read / tried guides to change the sensors with no luck. But no biggy, an arduino will work too.
09:20 <@Corydon76> Lack of motion is not one of my favorites for an off event, however
09:20 < zeroborg> I'm hoping to use the esp8622 to IoT more things in my home
09:21 < zeroborg> just for shits and giggles on most of them.
09:23 <@Corydon76> I've largely given up on microcontrollers now that Samsung SmartThings has gotten more mature.
09:23 <@Corydon76> The ability for their central hub to do a lot of the things that I otherwise would have needed a microcontroller to trigger based upon my own criteria was a deciding factor
09:23 < zeroborg> Ah, i'll have to check that out. I'm trying to use them to learn to program. I have a bad habit of working through half a book, and never applying it to my life. I'm trying to end that habit.
09:24 < zeroborg> I'm thinking i could do something like this, but for my dog.
09:24 < zeroborg> https://twitter.com/EelectricMiguel?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
09:24 < PigBot> Miguel Wattson TNAQ (@EelectricMiguel) | Twitter (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/ycaxc8an
09:24 <@Corydon76> Hah!
09:25 < zeroborg> Really want to visit it one day. I know its silly. But i love the idea of it.
09:26 <@Corydon76> If you have the money for it, I'd suggest ham radio and SDR.
09:26 < zeroborg> I actually have my General license
09:26 <@Corydon76> Oh, you're one above me, then
09:26 <@Corydon76> I'm still on my Tech license, and slowly studying for my General
09:27 <@Corydon76> What I need more than the study guides is someone who can help me with the general knowledge on electronics
09:27 < zeroborg> The electronics on it is tough. After i got my General, naturally i bought the Amateur Extra book, read half of it and it ended up getting away from me. Some of it is quite difficult.
09:28 < zeroborg> I agree Corydon76, I need a Elmer, thats what they call it lol
09:28 <@Corydon76> Yeah, most of the rest of it is pretty learnable on your own.
09:28 <@Corydon76> Whether it be regulations or antenna design, those are learnable topics
09:29 < zeroborg> When i got my general i was not working, so i didnt have any expendable income. I do now, but...im trying to learn linux / programming. I still want to get heavily into Ham, but i don't want to put up an antenna at my current residence.
09:29 < zeroborg> My local security Con here actually does a testing for the Technician license.
09:30 <@Corydon76> I don't have the expendable income for professional gear, though I'd love to put up an antenna here.  I actually have tall enough trees in my backyard to support an antenna
09:30 <@Corydon76> I should say, an HF antenna
09:30 < zeroborg> Yea, im in the same boat. Like any hobby you can spend as much as you can write a check for. it never ends
09:31 <@Corydon76> "Get a kid interested in ham radio, and he'll never have money for drugs."
09:31 < zeroborg> I'd love to do qrp (low power <5 watts) and do morse.
09:31 < zeroborg> I actually was taking a free over skyp class of morse and was doing really good. Then life got in the way and i had to stop doing it. But honestly it's not that hard.
09:32 <@Corydon76> I'd need to forget the mnemonics I learned as a kid and just go with knowing the patterns.
09:32 < zeroborg> If you learn morse, you can get a radio super cheap and an antenna will go anywhere, sure you wont probably be reaching everywhere but it's cool
09:33 <@Corydon76> I'm also rather interested in GMRS, as the 2w radio service that is unlicensed, but hardly anybody uses.
09:36 < zeroborg> Yea, those are the ones that are walkie talkies right?
09:38 <@Corydon76> Well, GMRS can be used for various purposes, but HT is certainly one of the form factors.
09:39 <@Corydon76> Dakota Alert has some of the least expensive equipment, and they have an application of a motion detector... like if you wanted to set up a hunting trap for deer
09:40 <@Corydon76> I have two of their base stations, and then a Motorola VHF business band radio, which shares some of the bandwidth for GMRS.
09:41 < zeroborg> Oh thats nice, what do you do with them that couldne be acheived on 2M
09:41 <@Corydon76> Both of them support CTCSS
09:41 <@Corydon76> I can allow someone who isn't a licensed ham to use them
09:42 <@Corydon76> If I'm going out where cell service is spotty, I can use it for communication without worrying about whether anybody has a license
09:43 < zeroborg> Oh ok, that's what we always used them for. Prior to cell phones actually, but like when i'd go snowboarding. To communicate
09:43 <@Corydon76> Or, sorry, wrong acronym.  GMRS is licensed.  MARS is unlicensed.
09:44 <@Corydon76> Argh.  MURS, not MARS.
09:45 <@Corydon76> Too many fricking acronyms
09:45 <@Corydon76> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-Use_Radio_Service
09:45 < PigBot> Multi-Use Radio Service - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/onj5jf3
09:47 < zeroborg> Ah ok, yea i remember learning about it. Seems like it's what a business would use. like idk a coal mine, or loggin company or something that works on a large tract of land
09:47 < zeroborg> I guess they could use gmrs.
09:48 <@Corydon76> MURS overlaps with business band radio, and they'd probably be better off with the licensed use
09:49 <@Corydon76> Licensed use always is primary; unlicensed is secondary
09:49 <@Corydon76> So you can only use bands 4 and 5 if nobody else is on those frequencies
09:52 <@Corydon76> I just realized that the Baofeng UV-5R will do MURS.  Question is whether the bandwidth it uses is narrow enough to comply with FCC requirements
09:54 < zeroborg> That's actually the radio i have lol
09:57 <@Corydon76> Just checked.  It's not FCC-approved for MURS.  For whatever reason, MURS radios are not permitted to transmit on any other frequencies
09:57 < zeroborg> what a weird limitation
09:57 <@Corydon76> But if I can legally transmit by staying within FCC guidelines, I should be okay from a legal standpoint
09:58 <@Corydon76> I'd venture a guess it's to prevent an unlicensed member of the general public from transmitting on licensed frequencies
09:58 < zeroborg> Yeah i agree, plus they'd ever know.
09:59 <@Corydon76> But you can't have a radio that does both FRS and MURS, which is silly.
10:00 <@Corydon76> I agree that they'd probably never know, but I'm not anxious ever to get a letter from the FCC telling me that they've discovered I'm out of compliance and subject to a fine if I continue
10:01 < zeroborg> I agree, worries me too. But it's not illegal to transmit on those signals, just to OWN the radio that does makes no sense.
10:01 < zeroborg> how could the FCC possibly approve a radio that does it, yet you cant have the radio.
10:11 <@shapr> :look_of_disapproval:
10:11 <@shapr> I need more coffee
10:25 <@Corydon76> Looks like I was incorrect.  It is unlawful to transmit on MURS frequencies with a non-certified radio
10:25 <@shapr> @define MURS
10:25 <@shapr> where's the channel bot?
10:25 <@Corydon76> I'd say that regulation is what is keeping MURS use down
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10:26 <@shapr> @google MURS frequency
10:26 < lambdabot> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-Use_Radio_Service
10:26 < PigBot> Multi-Use Radio Service - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/onj5jf3
10:26 <@shapr> yay, I learned something
10:26 <@shapr> does PigBot have plugin commands?
10:35 <@Evilpig> no
10:36 <@shapr> aw, ok
10:43 < zeroborg> is his only job is url shortening?
10:43 <@Evilpig>  it's pretty much just a python listener watching for url patterns and throwing up url previews
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10:58 <@eryc> mailto://dicks
10:58 <@eryc> y it no work
11:01 <@eryc> http://wilpig.com
11:01 < PigBot> Wilpig Website Consulting (at wilpig.com) http://tinyurl.com/y9haqmpu
11:23 <@Evilpig> because a mailto isn't a valid url.  :P  it can be a valid uri but wtf would the bot do with it?
11:34 < zeroborg> shit! you got that blank page, SO hot right now :)
11:39 < aestetix> copyright 2009
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11:55 <@eryc> i think my website times out currently
11:56 <@eryc> used to be a blank page
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14:27 < K`Tetch> hello all
14:38 < xray> heya
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14:51 <@shapr> oh, I should check my email, see if my talk was approved
14:56 <@shapr> K`Tetch: you coming to phreaknic this time?
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16:35 < K`Tetch> shapr - nope
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20:43 <@eryc> fuck off bill
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