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08:46 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
08:47  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
08:53 < aestetix> ok so
08:53 < aestetix> I have a binary in my path.... somewhere
08:53 < aestetix> but which and whereis don't show it
08:54 < aestetix> any idea how else to find it? and no, it's not installed via a repository
08:54 < aestetix> I really don't want to resort to locate
08:55 <@Evilpig> isn't that which's entire job?
08:55 < aestetix> you'd think
08:56 < aestetix> locate it is
08:56 <@Evilpig> I'm gonna go with pebkac or you have a wrapper in your path that is firing off the other
08:56 <@Dolemite> ^----
08:56 < aestetix> well the binary in question is nvm
08:56 < aestetix> for context....
08:57 < aestetix> node.js.... you need npm to manage node packages.... and then nvm to manage node versions
08:57 < aestetix> so I'm blaming node
10:12 < xray> The injunction preventing giving 3-D plans away for free online does not prevent him from selling them. Cody Wilson is now selling the blueprints.
10:14 <@shapr> for how much?
10:14 <@shapr> that's sneaky and amusing
10:14 <@shapr> I'm tempted to buy a copy
10:15 < xray> https://store.defcad.com/product/ar-15/
10:15 < PigBot> AR-15 – DEFCAD (at store.defcad.com) http://tinyurl.com/y7c7f3gf
10:16 < xray> Suggested price is $10 but you can name your own price.
10:17 < xray> I think people will buy them just to defy the injunction which will help DEFCAD defend against the law suits. Very clever.
10:18 < xray> Of course the original plans are still available for download free from many other web sites. I don't think the legal system quite groks the Internet.
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10:19 <@shapr> what's the background here? last I looked, you need a metal barrel and some other parts to make a firearm of any kind
10:19 <@brimstone> NRA just wants to make money off the sales
10:19 < xray> Depends
10:20 <@shapr> I like guns, but I'm not a fan of the NRA
10:20 < xray> He has blueprints for multiple weapons
10:20 < xray> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/08/in-defiance-of-court-order-3d-printed-gun-pioneer-starts-selling-cad-files/
10:20 < PigBot> After court order, 3D-printed gun pioneer now sells pay-what-you-want CAD files | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com) http://tinyurl.com/yb2x8rj8
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10:22 <@shapr> this ars technica article gets weirdly political
10:22 < dasunt> ISTM that the metal barrels are probably what should be tracked, not the lower recievers.
10:23 <@shapr> block sales to some states to humiliate those states? what?
10:23 < xray> Kind of hard not to given the topic.
10:23 < dasunt> Since cutting groves in a barrel seems to be the most technically difficult part of manufacturing a gun.  But whatever.  Technology will make that all a moot point.
10:23 <@shapr> personally, I think free healthcare would make a larger difference than banning guns
10:23 <@shapr> crazy people need help, give them help!
10:24 <@shapr> I used to work for a company that made software for non-profits
10:24 <@shapr> I ended up at hud.gov conference
10:24 < dasunt> I have the vastly unpopular idea that if you want to address gun crime, boring, plain handguns would be the best to target.
10:24 < xray> Have you seen the programs that target (need a better word) homeless frequent fliers in the ER.
10:24 <@brimstone> but if we help everyone, we'll help the people we don't like
10:24 <@brimstone> how do we regulate only helping the people we like?
10:25 <@brimstone> answer: guns
10:25 <@shapr> they showed some research that says that paying for an apartment and a minder for mentally ill people was cheaper than the burden they put on emergency services
10:25 <@shapr> I should go dig up those references, it was fascinating reading.
10:25 <@brimstone> is that operational vs capital expenses?
10:25 < xray> yes
10:26 < dasunt> IMO, you could roll back the restrictions on long gun purchases, and make handguns require a much stricter background check, and after a few years or a decade or so to get older guns out of circulation, you'd see a big improvement in homicides.
10:26 < xray> to your statement that it reduced expenses
10:26 < dasunt> shapr: I remember that - someplace in Utah, I think.  They gave the homeless a home.  It ended up being cheaper.  Everyone else promptly ignored the study.
10:27 <@shapr> dasunt: yeah, I think part of that is the focus on treatment instead of prevention
10:27 <@brimstone> that's so Utah
10:27 <@brimstone> they're so nice
10:27 <@brimstone> basically southern canada
10:27 < xray> They found that a very "hands on approach" had much better results, improved their living conditions and health and was a whole lot less ex[pensive.
10:27 <@shapr> insurance will pay for your surgery, but doesn't want to pay for yearly complete blood count to see if the problems can be stopped years ahead
10:28 < dasunt> IIRC, giving them a home wasn't dependent on getting off drugs or alcohol - housing came first, and then the people had access to drug abuse and alcohol abuse treatment.
10:28 <@shapr> yeah, I've known a few people who weren't quite homeless, but you can't get any help without an address
10:28 <@shapr> like, living out of a car, small amount of money in a bank account
10:29 < dasunt> Of course the political translation of this is "Government gives heroin users free homes!"
10:30 <@shapr> :-(
10:30 < xray> agreed
10:30 < dasunt> Speaking of drug abuse, there's the infamous rat park experiment which we also ignore:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_Park#Rat_Park_experiments
10:30 < PigBot> Rat Park - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/kpdxqwz
10:31 < dasunt> Spoiler:  Rats with shitty living situations tend to be far more likely to abuse drugs.
10:31 <@shapr> yeah, I've seen that in humans
10:31 < xray> that is exactly what would be said but and they would just leave out the parts about counseling, life management classes, and health care.
10:31 < xray> GRRRRRRRRR
10:31 <@shapr> give 'em a decent living situation and they will try to improve as humans
10:32 <@shapr> I've also seen people stuck in barely livable conditions who go from nicotine -> weed -> more
10:32 <@shapr> I get it
10:33 < xray> Not so much. There was as study done where they gave them a place to live with no strings attached (like you must quite drugs or drinking) but didn't get involved directly in their lives. The results were not good.
10:33 < xray> I wish I could find the article I recently read about it.
10:33 <@shapr> xray: ooh, I want to read that one
10:33 <@shapr> if you do find it, I want a link!
10:34 < xray> I'll post it here. It is not the first program like this I have read about.
10:55 <@Corydon76> Here's an amusing data point.  Portland, Oregon has regulations that restrict how close to a tree a home can be built.  So their plans for tiny houses was thwarted by environmentalists.
10:56 <@Corydon76> https://www.dailynews.com/2018/05/30/what-could-go-wrong-in-building-tiny-houses-for-homeless/
10:56 < PigBot> What could go wrong in building tiny houses for homeless? – Daily News (at www.dailynews.com) http://tinyurl.com/y7zoo2kc
10:56 < xray> Cut the trees down. Problem solved.
10:57 < xray> I used to avoid using wood because - you know - the environment. Then I read an article that said that wood is the only renewable building resource we have.
10:57 < xray> Like Duh.
10:58 < xray> That never occurred to me. It does require forestry companies being responsible but then again that is true of everything.
10:59 < xray> I'm finishing my lumber cart this weekend which lets me keep and sort my scrap wood. Most of the time I need small pieces to complete projects. So every bit of scrap gets used eventually.
11:00 <@Corydon76> Renewable forest companies would optimally have a set of lands rotating through growth cycles.
11:00 < xray> I have property with a lot of trees and they periodically talk to me about doing just that.
11:00 < xray> I just don't have enough wood to make it profitable.
11:02 < xray> If I were younger it would probably work because I would be able to get through multiple growth/harvest cycles but I'm too old for that now.
11:03 < xray> Speaking of shipping containers. Have any of you every used one as a shed for storing things in your yard?
11:04 < xray> HA I found the article. https://www.sacbee.com/news/article213820554.html
11:04 < PigBot> This man cost Sacramento County more in one year than any other homeless person | The Sacramento Bee (at www.sacbee.com) http://tinyurl.com/y87uv8cb
11:16 < zeroborg> Evilpig i thought of you when i saw this https://ibb.co/keHPhp
11:16 < PigBot> IMG 2979 — imgbb.com (at ibb.co) http://tinyurl.com/ya952yyf
11:23 < xray> Am I the only one that feels that everyone else can get away with being incompetent at their job except me.
11:23 < xray> I bet if you stood in the doorway with a bull horn they would still ignore you.
11:24 < zeroborg> i agree, they'd just open the door, throw the package and run away all while talking on their bluetooth headset.
11:24 < xray> build a Bluetooth jammer and put it in the entryway.
11:25 < xray> at least we can annoy them back.
11:25 < xray> Would Amazon even listen if we complained.
11:27 < zeroborg> no not at all, they would just make the conditions for the workers even harder.
11:27 < zeroborg> theyd give them catheters to pee in, instead of making it where they have to pee in bottles
11:53 < xray> Well this is certainly embarrassing for some and lethal for others https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/08/15/botched-cia-communications-system-helped-blow-cover-chinese-agents-intelligence/
11:53 < PigBot> Botched CIA Communications System Helped Blow Cover of Chinese Agents – Foreign Policy (at foreignpolicy.com) http://tinyurl.com/y8673rpv
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15:36 <@eryc> https://www.facebook.com/RTnews/videos/264009120896062/
15:36 < PigBot> RT - Manufacturing dissent | Facebook (at www.facebook.com) http://tinyurl.com/yafz9you
16:01 <@Mirage> got a cable tech that actually seemed to have a clue this time.   hopefully he finally got me resolved.
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