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00:00 <@eryc> oi
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09:23 <@shapr> WHAT?
09:29 < aestetix> wait a second
09:30 < aestetix> someone at a conference put in their bio that his pronouns are "he/they"
09:30 < aestetix> first, it's annoying because nobody else did at for the conference
09:30 < aestetix> second.... wtf does he/they mean
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09:48 <@Corydon76> It means if you refer to him, he accepts either masculine or plural pronouns.
09:49 <@Corydon76> Back in college, I had a philosphy professor who insisted on being called Mr. Teloh, not Dr. Teloh, because the title 'Doctor' referred to his father, who was a medical doctor.  I consider preferred pronouns to be the same way.
09:49 <@Corydon76> You use them as a sign of respect for the person.
09:50 < aestetix> I completely disagree.
09:50 < aestetix> Mr or Doctor is a title, or an honorific
09:50 < aestetix> he/she is neither a title nor an honorific.
09:51 <@Corydon76> You disagree with respecting people by using a word that honors their wishes?
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09:51 < aestetix> I disagree with you completely misrepresenting what I am saying.
09:51 < aestetix> But I'm not surprised.
09:52 <@Corydon76> Doctor is an earned title, based upon satisfying the requirements for earning that degree.
09:53 < aestetix> If I refer to someone as doctor, there is a degree of respect and recognition of their status in that
09:54 <@Evilpig> that's an earned degee they/zir/cunt are just bestowed upon you by birth
09:54 < aestetix> Referring to someone by "he" carries no such indications, and people who insist that it does are purely virtue signalling
09:55 <@Corydon76> How exactly is a preferred pronoun virtue signalling?
09:56 <@oddball> I have to agree that explicitely stating your prefered pronoun in a bio is proclaiming that you're an ass.
09:58 <@oddball> When you can just use your prefered pronoun naturally in your bio, most folks will automatically pick up on that.
09:59 <@Corydon76> oddball: Or stating that you might be ambiguous in person, due to a gender transition, and you're being explicit about how you want to be perceived.
10:00 <@shapr> I want to treat humans like they are independent respected sentients, without me having any information on how they want to be perceived.
10:02 < xray> Which conference are you talking about?
10:02 <@Corydon76> Part of the idea of expressing preferred pronouns in the general population was a way to express support for people who are transitioning, so that they weren't the only ones doing that.
10:02 < aestetix> xray: a conference in Berlin. Of course, the speaker in question is actually an american, originally from san francisco
10:02 < xray> Thanks
10:03 < aestetix> don't worry, it won't affect you :)
10:03 < xray> LoL
10:03 < xray> Not that I can go to conferences anymore. Sigh.
10:03 < xray> DragonCon right in my back yard and I can't go.
10:04 < xray> Not yet anyway. Maybe next year.
10:04 < aestetix> to be fair, at this point I could pull a set of rules out of the Gulag Archipelago, replace that as the conference code of conduct, and nobody would know the difference
10:04 < xray> Although I'm seriously considering braving it and going on Sunday so I can sit on hacking 201
10:04 < aestetix> note that this shit only happens when americans are involved.
10:05 < aestetix> Doesn't happen when it's germans, especially germans who lived through communism.
10:05 <@oddball> xray: That sucks.  Dragon's a fun time.
10:06 <@Corydon76> I'm more curious about whether Germans have this problem, or if it's just ex-pat Americans.
10:07 <@Corydon76> Do Germans complain incessantly about whether someone has a set of preferred pronouns?
10:20 <@shapr> xray: you should organize a porch con
10:20 <@shapr> I'll show up with FPGAs and laptops and adafruit boxes
10:28 < xray> Interesting idea
10:29 < xray> I have a bunch of fun toys as well
10:29 < xray> We can run a CTF
10:29 <@shapr> yup!
10:30 < xray> Did you see that a 404con has been announced
10:30 <@shapr> no?
10:30 <@shapr> google doesn't turn up anything
10:30 <@shapr> link?
10:30 < xray> http://404con.com/
10:30 < PigBot> 404 Con (at 404con.com) http://tinyurl.com/ycumnrpw
10:31 < xray> That page is the sum total of what I have heard about it.
10:31 < xray> Someone found it and posted it to discord but other than that no other posts by anybody. So I have no idea who is running it.
10:32 <@shapr> bah, whois info is protected
10:32 < xray> the propose a talk button is for sending an email to fourohfourcon@gmail.com
10:33 <@shapr> doesn't help much
10:34 < xray> If it were me I would have made posts on all the relevant messaging channels so I'm not sure what to make of this.
10:34 < xray> I'll poke around and see what I can find out.
10:35 <@Evilpig> agh!  I want this fake function bar gone!  I hit escape twice because i'm not sure if i hit it or not then hit a number to switch irc windows and nothing fucking happens because esc + esc + num = a big fat nothing
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10:36 <@Evilpig> or maybe i'm just fat fingering it and hitting f1 because it's a big flat bar with no real feel.  whatever asshole at apple though this was a good idea needs to be drawn and quartered
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10:45 <@NotLarry> I got a macbook pro laying by my bed at home you can use.  You're gonna wanna wash it down real good first, and don't check the history folder, but other than that it works ok.
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10:50 <@shapr> oh, macbook problems?
10:50 <@shapr> Evilpig: would an external keyboard help?
10:54 <@Evilpig> possibly but I don't have a usb-c mouse so I would be reaching over that to use the touchpad.  
10:55 <@Evilpig> my repaired laptop is sitting at my apartment office so this afternoon all my troubles should be gone
10:56 <@Evilpig> I can't wait to get home and find out if the useless fuck fedex driver got the note on my door OR did what he was supposed to do in the first place and just went directly to the apartment office to drop off my box
10:56 <@Evilpig> here's the note from my door.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/gp1x39d622lac1a/Hello%20helpful%20fedex%20driver.pdf?dl=0
10:56 < PigBot> Dropbox - Hello helpful fedex driver.pdf (at www.dropbox.com) http://tinyurl.com/y8eactgz
11:19 < zeroborg> i love the email line wewereunabletodeliveryourpackage...becuaseimatotalfailureatmyjob
11:19 < zeroborg> just one big ol' sentence on that email
11:36 <@Mirage> Evilpig: FedEx drivers IMO are inherently lazy...though you at least got a sticker on the door.   In the past year I've had my package tracking show that the 'delivery was attemped but the business was closed' or something to that effect.  I find it humerous that they don't get caught quick with a non-delivery status like that for a residential address.
11:36 <@Mirage> That's happened 3-5 times
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12:57 <@Evilpig> overheard in my office "There's the problem, they're all black"
12:58 <@Evilpig> context: wireshark, not an HR incident
13:29 <@Corydon76> Evilpig: you up on what Chuck Jones is doing?
13:34 <@Evilpig> the latest I heard was he conned some suckers into dumping a couple million into whiskey?
13:34 <@Evilpig> how the hell have you crossed paths with him?!
13:35 <@Corydon76> I haven't.  You just haven't ranted in awhile about him
13:35 <@Corydon76> I know you have a special place in your heart for him.
13:36 <@Corydon76> http://www.distillerytrail.com/blog/startup-rh-resolute-distillery-to-produce-400-barrels-per-week-ramping-up-to-2600/
13:36 < PigBot> Startup RH Resolute Distillery to Produce 400 Barrels Per Week Ramping Up to 2,600 | Distillery Trail (at www.distillerytrail.com) http://tinyurl.com/ycxhs53a
13:36 <@Evilpig> https://www.linkedin.com/in/chuck-jones-3828b9130/
13:36 < PigBot> 999 <html><head>
13:37 <@Evilpig> oh I'm aware.  how that motherfucker got another set of suckers to invest in something that he's invovled with is beyond me.  I had another set of interviews with some TLA folks about him
13:37 <@Corydon76> Wonder if he'll be back to his old tricks and repackaging someone else's cheap bourbon as his own.
13:38 <@Evilpig> he can't do anything above board, of that I am certain
15:01 <@Evilpig> Mirage: that's neat.  you can track the boat that the felik's are on
15:01 <@Evilpig> https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:732930/mmsi:566704000/vessel:APL%20PARIS
15:01 < PigBot> Vessel details for: APL PARIS (Container Ship) - IMO 9601302, MMSI 566704000, Call Sign 9V9403 Registered in Singapore | AIS Marine Traffic (at www.marinetraffic.com) http://tinyurl.com/y9kjz9u2
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16:03 <@Mirage> max speed 71.8 knots for a shipping container transport ship?!  yeah..right
16:04 <@Corydon76> Mirage: Maybe if it's  empty.
16:04 <@Mirage> and on the downward slope of a tital wave
16:06 <@Corydon76> I remember a boat getting a tow into a harbor, and when they were released, the towed boat was running at 20 knots, which is a little fast for a harbor.
16:06 <@Mirage> avg speed is listed as 21 knots.
16:07 <@Mirage> 71.8 would be 85+ mph..  i don't see that ever happening
16:08 <@Corydon76> And that's measured compared to the water, not compared to GPS, correct?
16:08 <@Corydon76> Rather like how we measure windspeed for airplanes, which doesn't necessarily correspond to ground speed.
16:09 <@Mirage> distance is distance is distance
16:09 <@Corydon76> Otherwise, if you're traveling the same direction as a current, you'd get a nice bump in speed
16:26 <@Mirage> something small with little drag, yes...something big, not so much
16:27 < dasunt> Are you sure?
16:27 < dasunt> Didn't gulf stream have a big effect on sailing ships?
16:45 <@Evilpig> so.......  yup.  fedex got my note.  HAHAHAHAHA
16:46 <@Mirage> did he smear shit all over your door knob?
16:46 <@Evilpig> he did not
16:46 <@Evilpig> but the note was gone from my door
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21:20 < zeroborg> If anyone wouldn't mind answering a dumb python question i'd appreciate the help
21:28 <@eryc> sup
21:30 < zeroborg> '''while True:
21:30 < zeroborg>     if pir.value() == 1:
21:30 < zeroborg>         led.on()
21:30 < zeroborg>     elif pir.value() == 0:
21:30 < zeroborg>         led.off()
21:30 < zeroborg>     else:
21:30 < zeroborg>        pass'''
21:30 < zeroborg> i realize its commented out, but im trying different stuff
21:30 <@eryc> sure
21:30 < zeroborg> OK. So. if the pir senses motion led.on()
21:30 <@eryc> whats it doing wrong/
21:30 < zeroborg> if it doesnt it goes off
21:30 < zeroborg> works fine
21:31 < zeroborg> where can i add a delay to keep the lights on for an extended period of time
21:31 < zeroborg> if i put it after led.on()
21:31 < zeroborg> it just stays on for the time i enter...clicks off then right back on
21:34 <@eryc> just a sec
21:35 <@eryc> talking to my grandma but i can help with this
21:35 < zeroborg> No a problem. Thanks. The other weird thing a simple while pir.value() == 1:
21:36 < zeroborg> led.on() doesnt work at all....but that's ok. This way of doing it works too i suppose
22:46 <@eryc> zeroborg: still here/
22:46 <@eryc> ?
22:47 < zeroborg> im am, but i think i have issues in my circuit
22:47 < zeroborg> I don't think my motion sensor is wired correctly. lol I still need to know if i can time.sleep in a if statement.
22:49 <@eryc> so you can but if you want to handle any other events it will be blocked until the sleep finishes
22:50 <@eryc> but yea that would be the obvious answer so you already had it right
22:50 <@eryc> does micropython support threads?
22:50 < zeroborg> ok, sounds great.
22:50 < zeroborg> Like multithreading? if so, i don't know.
22:50 <@eryc> yea that would be the far more complicated answer
22:50 <@eryc> fraught with error
22:51 <@eryc> i got burned badly by the last threaded python i did
22:51 <@eryc> still not over that
22:51 < zeroborg> I cant even get a simple pir motion sensor to work...so im not quote to threading
22:55 <@eryc> hm
22:55 <@eryc> so another topic that comes to mind is called debouncing
22:55 <@eryc> basically you looked for repetition and ignore input for some time period i think it is
22:55 <@eryc> look*
22:56 < zeroborg> ok ill research that.
22:56 < zeroborg> I discovered that my PIR is outputting 3.3 volts all the time...so its my wiring
22:56 <@eryc> essentially you would need a state variable or two and a time calculation
22:56 <@eryc> ah
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23:16 < zeroborg> soooo uhhhh eryc the pir doesnt work at 3.3v ...im an idiot
23:17 <@eryc> hm ok heh
23:17 <@eryc> so it needs 5v?
23:17 < zeroborg> yea, which id test, but my bench top power supply just died. Ill modify a usb cable i suppose
23:19 < zeroborg> Oh well. i learned...something. It makes sense, considering it was sporadic on whether it worked or not.
23:19 <@eryc> yea probably mostly noise
23:22 < zeroborg> eryc, thank you.
23:29 <@eryc> np. that's why you'll want to use the debouncer method to filter the noise
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