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09:47 < dasunt> I swear I've worked for people who would make perfect MS managers.
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12:41 <@Mirage> Evilpig: oink..
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13:19 <@Evilpig> Mirage: eh?
13:21 <@Mirage> you have the unifi USG, right?
13:21 <@Evilpig> yup
13:22 <@Mirage> do you know if does 1:1 nat?
13:22 <@Mirage> aka bi-nat
13:23 <@Evilpig> not easily 
13:23 <@Evilpig> it can, but you have work with the JS files because the UI to configure it doesn't officially support multiple external IPs
13:24 <@Mirage> ok.  Most of what I was finding was from last year and there's nothing about it in the manual that I saw, so I figured I'd ask someone who had one.
13:27 < dasunt> I think I've heard McCain defending Obama about 20x today.
13:30 < dasunt> That happened in Minnesota, when someone accused Obama of being an Arab that couldn't be trusted.  And McCain replies that Obama is a descent man and citizen who he just happens to disagree with.
13:31 < dasunt> Kind of weird - just 10 years ago, while McCain handled it with a touch of class, I doubt any politician would be afraid of alienating voters by rejecting a batshit crazy theory.
13:31 < dasunt> Now though...
13:43 <@Corydon76> Forboding of the type of idiots who would infect politics
13:59 <@Mirage> I really wish android updates on my S5 didn't consistently fuck shit up.   Normally it's just been the ring tone and custom notifications that get reset, but now it refuses to fo MFC to transfer pics from the phone to my computer
14:00 <@Corydon76> Mirage: I started using ownCloud/nextcloud for that
14:00 <@Corydon76> The benefit is that it can sync files between multiple places.
14:17 < aestetix> dasunt: I love that McCain quote
15:13 < dasunt> The yearly review at work has the question "Anything in your work that's less than stellar/causing frustration or delays?"
15:13  * dasunt is really tempted to answer that question honestly.  Tactfully as much as possible, but honestly.
15:14 < dasunt> Also has the question "What process can be fixed or improved?"
15:22 <@Evilpig> dasunt: I set one of the goals on mine last year to "get a new job"
15:22 < zeroborg> "nothing more money won't fix" lol
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15:26 <@Dagmar> Maybe Comcast will be stable today
15:26 <@Dagmar> HAHAHAHHA
15:27 < zeroborg> anyone ever used linuxacademy?
15:28 <@Dagmar> Nah, I mainly use the "sink or swim" method
15:28 < zeroborg> oh thats the usual.
15:29 < zeroborg> My personal issue is my job is all Windows. I personally love nix but it's hard when you don't 'have' problems to fix all the time to 'sink or swim'
15:30 <@Dagmar> Build somethin' with it
15:30 < zeroborg> i'm starting to create a lot of those at home, for sure. Setting up home stuff, at some point stops translating over to a job
15:30 <@Dagmar> Like, do you have a consumer wifi AP?
15:30 < zeroborg> yea
15:31 <@Dagmar> Okay, so buy a RPi 3 and the 5v power supply from AdaFruit and make yourself a second one
15:31 <@Dagmar> That'll involve iptables/netfilter work, DNS (BIND), a DHCP server, and routing
15:31 < zeroborg> Ok, that's an idea
15:31 <@Dagmar> It'll also make life a bit easier at home
15:31 < zeroborg> Yea, i do need experience with that
15:32 <@Dagmar> Once you're familiar with the stuff it takes like 10 minutes to set up.  heh
15:32 < zeroborg> I assume i could use that as an extender.
15:32 <@Dagmar> Yeah, or you could connect it to your switch and mount it in a metal salad bowl as a directional AP
15:33 < zeroborg> I bought a commercial extender for my workshop, but i would of course love to use an rpi for one too
15:33 <@Dagmar> you'd need/want an extra wireless dongle to use it as an extender
15:34 <@Dagmar> ...but the RPI3 has a perfectly usable wifi chip built into it, in addition to the wired ethernet port
15:34 < zeroborg> could i use the eth0 for input and then the wifi on a rpi3 as the output...if you will
15:34 <@Dagmar> It's fully compatible/usable with hostapd
15:35 <@Dagmar> ...so you could use it as an AP, or use it as a client to avoid running a cable drop through the house
15:35 < zeroborg> Already have a cable drop in the workshop / garage. I'd rather keep it as that for stability
15:36 < zeroborg> Well i can't return the netgear one i bought, but learning is worth an rpi lol
15:37 < zeroborg> plus i have an rpi sitting around...with kali on it doing nothing
15:37 <@Dagmar> Ah sounds like the garage is the perfect place to set up the second wifi AP then
15:37 < zeroborg> Well that's where the second one it
15:37 < zeroborg> is*
15:38 < zeroborg> hostapd right?
15:39 < zeroborg> just found a guide on the offical rpi website for this exact scenarion. I'd be using it as a bridge.
15:45 <@Dagmar> You need hostapd installed on Raspbian if you want to have the wifi chip go into AP mode
15:45 <@Dagmar> You don't need it if it's going to merely act as a client and connect to some existing AP
15:45 < dasunt> Evilpig: Was "get a new job" an answer you shared?
15:45 < xray> You might want to connect an external antenna. The pads are on the motherboard to solder an external antenna connector
15:46 <@Dagmar> They do reasonably well without one, thankfully
15:49  * dasunt continues reading this annual review questionaire.
15:49 < xray> I've used an RPi 3 as a AP before my Ubiquti AP arrived. The RPi covered my living room. Didn't do well for the rest of the house (using built in antenna).
15:49 < dasunt> "What's the most meaningful part of my job?" is something I probably shouldn't give an honest answer to either.
15:50 < dasunt> Because right now, I think it's swapping out hardware for end users when they aren't around.
15:50 <@Dagmar> Cite the thing that makes the most proifit for the companyt then
15:50 <@Dagmar> "Replacing hardware during times when a customer is out of the office to maximize worker productivity"
15:51 < dasunt> I'm beyond playing that game.
15:51 <@Dagmar> Well, clearly HR is still playing it
15:51 < dasunt> I'm aiming for an impression of "fix this environment, or see workers burn out and quit."
15:56 <@Dagmar> Good luck with that plan
15:58 <@oddball> heh... I'll never hear/read "what's the most meaningful part of your job" without thinking of that survey we took at the NOC.
15:59 <@oddball> I don't think the answer that Eddie and I gave the kid was appreciated.
15:59 <@Dagmar> "Keeping these noob-asses from panicking" wasn't well-recieved?
16:00 <@oddball> more like "...what exactly do you think we do here?"
16:02 <@oddball> Sorry, the question was more specifically "what, at the end of the day, makes you feel like you've really accomplished something?"
16:09 <@Dagmar> "That no one suspects a thing."
16:10 <@oddball> "we don't accomplish shit."
16:10 <@Corydon76> Always fun when I'm accused of being a right winger.  Y'all can laugh hysterically now.
16:11 <@Dagmar> Uh we pretty much removed one "Indiana Jones'" worth of old cabling
16:11 <@Dagmar> Mounted thousands of servers
16:11 <@oddball> Corydon76: gun argument?
16:11 <@Dagmar> We accomplished quite a damn lot
16:11 <@Corydon76> oddball: yep
16:12 <@Corydon76> oddball: more particularly, the argument where there's one standard for politicians, and another standard for everybody else.
16:13 <@oddball> well, yes.  People argue that that's not the case?
16:13 <@Corydon76> People want to argue that it's not relevant and doesn't illustrate corruption
16:13 <@oddball> That's the whole point of "may issue."  It's "this is for me and my friends, not for you."
16:15 <@Corydon76> It also creates a situation where a campaign contribution effectively becomes the price to pay for a permit, basic corruption.
16:15 <@Corydon76> If you cannot afford a substantial campaign contribution, then the elected law enforcement officer denies your application.
16:16 <@oddball> Have you seen the bribery cases in NYC to get carry permits?  Sure... you can get a permit, you just have to pay the right people thousands of dollars.
16:16 <@Corydon76> Ugh
16:17 <@Corydon76> What's the current state of permits in California?  Is 'may issue' currently overturned, or did they reverse that on appeal?
16:17 <@oddball> https://nypost.com/2016/04/18/shomrim-leader-busted-amid-nypd-corruption-probe/
16:17 < PigBot> Orthodox Jewish leader allegedly bragged about NYPD bribes for pistol permits (at nypost.com) http://tinyurl.com/ycetar69
16:18 <@oddball> I think Cali is still may issue.
16:19 <@oddball> A panel in the 9th Circuit did rule against Hawaii's may issue, since they haven't issued a permit in... years.
16:20 <@Corydon76> Wasn't Hawaii's case for carry for a visible handgun?
16:20 <@oddball> Cali is interesting, since the courts ruled that may issue permits that are essentially complete bans on concealed carry is legal, because you can legally openly carry.  Shortly after that ruling, Cali straight up banned open carry.
16:21 <@oddball> nope.  Carry concealed or open requires a permit there, and they don't recipercate with anyone.
16:22 < zeroborg> no conceal permit needed masterrace
16:22 < zeroborg> we love freeeedom
16:22 < zeroborg> TN is a may issue?
16:23 <@oddball> No, TN is shall issue.
16:23 < zeroborg> OK
16:23 <@Corydon76> I wonder if a ballot measure might pass in California tying the legislature's hands.
16:24 <@oddball> As long as LA and San Fran can vote, a ballot measure won't happen.
16:24 < zeroborg> How big of a hassle is it to get your training /course requirement?
16:25 <@oddball> Not that big of a deal.  It's a minimum day long class, and I've seen it offered for $50.
16:26 <@oddball> I'd prefer that we'd get rid of permits all together, but I know that's not going to happen any time soon.
16:26 < zeroborg> Yea, i don't think so either.
16:28 <@oddball> If nothing elsse, what other right that's explicitely stated in the constituion requires you to take/pass a class (at your expense), get your fingerprints taken (at your expense), pass a background check (at your expense), and then carry a specific photo ID that you have to have renewed periodicaally (again, at your expense).
16:29 <@oddball> Hell, people went apeshit over the idea that you might have to have a free state issued photo ID to prove who you were to vote.
16:30 < dasunt> Of course.  State IDs are less likely among some demographics.
16:30 <@Corydon76> Perhaps the legislature would be so kind as to make the lifetime permit $100 and drop the permit fee that needs to be renewed.
16:31 < dasunt> State ID is about disenfranchising the "wrong" voters.
16:31 <@oddball> dasunt: if it's evil and racist for one right, it's evil and racist for all rights.
16:31 <@Corydon76> I'm fine with paying a tax meant to cover their administrative and background check costs.  But why do we need to pay another, identical fee to renew it?
16:31 < dasunt> oddball: Yah, but the 2nd amendment is a mess.  :)
16:32 <@oddball> bullshit
16:32 < dasunt> Oh?
16:32 <@oddball> how is it a mess?
16:32 < dasunt> So I have the right to NBC weapons?
16:32 <@Corydon76> dasunt: you have a right to weapons you can "bear".
16:32 <@oddball> If you have the money to pay for it? yes.
16:33 < dasunt> Two people already disagreeing.  Point proven.
16:33 < zeroborg> NBC weapons are indiscriminate in their targeting and aren't for self preservation but for...mass killing
16:33 < zeroborg> I cannot, by their name, kill only those killing me
16:33 <@Corydon76> If the weapon is too big for you to bear, then the Amendment doesn't restrict the government from prohibiting it.
16:34 < dasunt> So stuff like fully automatic weapons, claymore mines, IEDs, small chemical and biological weapons are all small enough to carry.
16:34 <@oddball> Corydon76: I disagree.  It was understood at the writing of the constitution that folks had the right to own artillery.
16:35 < dasunt> And lets be honest, if it comes to overthrowing an oppressive government, a can of aerosolized ebola may just be the ticket.
16:35 < zeroborg> I think the question is less about the weapon, and more about why the state is given the authority to limit it? The same state that ratified a consitution that states, explicitly, that it is an unalienable right... i see a massive contradiction there.
16:35 <@oddball> Afterall, part of the constitution talked about the government having the ability to give letters of marque to armed naval vessels... which were privately owned.
16:36 <@Corydon76> oddball: but the question isn't whether they had the right to own it.  The question is whether the government had the legal ability to restrict it later.
16:38 <@oddball> And, well, those same cannons are actually easier to buy now (legally speaking) than a 22lr rifle, since the government has been playing the game of "well, this wasn't invented then" with the 2nd for a long time now.
16:38 <@oddball> (federal law doesn't consider a black powder muzzle loader a "firearm."
16:38 <@oddball> )
16:38 < dasunt> When was the last letter of marque issued by the US?
16:40 <@oddball> Honestly, not sure.  May be as late as the Spanish American war with the boats used to get troops to Cuba.
16:41 <@Corydon76> Wikipedia says 1815.
16:41 <@oddball> ok
16:42 <@Corydon76> Legally, by Congress.  There have been later cases where the military requested private operators to conduct operations.
16:42 <@Corydon76> But not a Letter of Marque.
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16:43 <@oddball> right
16:43 <@_NSAKEY> Speaking of guns, when's that hardback version of the Liberator code coming out?
16:44 <@_NSAKEY> I want something as nice as the PoC||GTFO Bible to put on my shelf, oddball.
16:44 <@Corydon76> Probably as soon as the person who put it together finds a willing publisher and printer.
16:44 < xray> Didn't it get pulled from Amazon.
16:44 <@Corydon76> It did
16:44 <@oddball> My buddy is trying to ge a straight answer from Amazon as to why they won't publish it anymore.  After that, he'll probably use a different publisher.
16:45 <@_NSAKEY> Good luck with that.
16:45 <@oddball> Bad news is that it'll probably be more expensive, good news is that there might be a hardback option.
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16:45 < zeroborg> i wonder if 2600 would publish it...
16:45 <@Corydon76> Is Lyle Stuart still publishing posthumously?
16:45 <@_NSAKEY> To be fair, CreateSpace is inferior if quality is what you're after
16:46 < xray> How about a PDF published by Wiki Leaks
16:46 <@_NSAKEY> There's lulu and ingram spark
16:46 <@oddball> zeroborg: I'm guessing no.
16:46 < zeroborg> or you could take it to something like staples and print it
16:46 < zeroborg> but that'd be something you'd have to do yourself.
16:48 <@oddball> EFF might print it, though.
16:53 <@Corydon76> Whoever publishes it will face a likely lawsuit by the states, though, so they'll have to be prepared for that, not knowing how much revenue it may bring
16:55 <@oddball> Yeah... well... I've already got my $15 worth of "so, you're saying we should burn this book" from conversations. :) https://photos.app.goo.gl/3dPNGno9dgVcFdjh9
16:55 < PigBot> Shared album - Oddball - Google Photos (at photos.app.goo.gl) http://tinyurl.com/y9bnbpxs
16:56 <@_NSAKEY> Same.
16:56 <@_NSAKEY> So glad I impulsively pulled the trigger on that. I'd actually be mad if I had decided to wait, and Amazon pulled it.
16:57 <@oddball> Oh, you did get a copy?  Good... good...
16:57 < zeroborg> sojdf
16:57 <@oddball> I think you were one of less than 60.
16:57 <@_NSAKEY> Damn
16:57 <@_NSAKEY> Should have ordered a bunch to hawk on ebay.
16:57 <@_NSAKEY> With links to the article.
16:58 <@_NSAKEY> It practically sells itself.
16:58 <@_NSAKEY> "So educational it was banned by Amazon."
16:58 <@oddball> ha!
17:19 <@oddball> Oh, so things do actually get tricky with the book.  Everyone involved on an actual legal level has said that it's ok to share the code in print form, and probably even in a text document attached to an email.  Just not in a file that's ready to be dumped into a 3D printer posted on a website.
17:23 < zeroborg> how about a .txt file with the book inside of it...
17:24 <@oddball> maybe...
17:24 < xray> How about a PDF?
17:25 <@oddball> And sorry, I should clarify.  By "everyone involved..." I meant "everyone involved that's against the distribution of the code."
17:25 <@oddball> xray: Again, as I've read it, yes.
17:25 <@oddball> ...maybe...
17:25 <@_NSAKEY> Should just base64 the file and send that around as a text blob.
17:26 <@oddball> Actually, I take that back.  There's a bill currently in Congress that would make posting a pdf or .txt file on your website illegal.
17:26 <@oddball> _NSAKEY: Oh, I guess you haven't seen the pictures with the code imbedded in them.
17:26 <@_NSAKEY> oddball: I did, at the last meeting.
17:26 <@oddball> ah, right
17:28 < xray> That is going to be a very interesting first amendment fight.
17:28 < xray> We should sell ticket to watch.
17:29 < xray> Except no one in their right mind would pay to watch CSPAN.
17:29 <@oddball> heh
17:29 <@oddball> Yeah, the EFF has already come out saying that this is a 1st amendment fight.  The ACLU... well... fuck the ACLU.
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18:15 < aestetix> uhhhh
18:16 < aestetix> oddball: posting a pdf or txt file?
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21:08 <@oddball> of the 3D printed gun code.
21:08 <@oddball> Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbEGmMDPboA
21:08 < PigBot> Spoken Code for 3D Printed Liberator Pistol Frame - 1 of 13 (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/y8h4m86a
21:11 < zeroborg> lol, i realize how important this is. but there is something simply amusing about this. Just love the Fuck you.
21:11 <@oddball> Yep.  They have said that we shouldn't share information.  We are replying.
22:09 < xray> LoL this is awesome
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