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00:46 <@Dagmar> Actually you could probably patch it back together with wood putty and some sandpaper
00:47 <@Dagmar> I would also _highly_ recommend putting a coat of polyurethane on any slides you have
00:47 <@Dagmar> A little sanding and some polyurethane, and things feel so much smoother it would almost be overkill to spend $5 on ebay to get some teflon coasters
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03:01 < aestetix> oddball: are you from detroit?
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06:24 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:27  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
08:36 <@oddball> aestetix: Yes, but my family moved to Nashville when I was 5.  My dad moved back up a few years after my parents got divorced.
08:42 < aestetix> oh ok
08:42 < aestetix> so I guess that means you don't know eminem :p
08:42 <@oddball> nah, I was also on the civilized side of town.
09:22 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: I had actually patched it once before with glue, then wood putty, and sanded it all smooth
09:22 <@Evilpig> the problem is it's a single slide for a large drawer and the child that was in there was not gentle with it and just snapped it right back in half so it needs to be a new solid piece
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10:44 <@Corydon76> Evilpig: I'd be tempted to add a nice long mending plate to the repair, for future reinforcement.
10:44 <@Corydon76> along with polyurethane glue for the mending
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10:45 <@Corydon76> If you clamp it well for the polyurethane glue, it should make the mend strong enough to where it won't break in the same place again.
10:46 <@Evilpig> I talked to my old man last night and he has all the shit to make the rod.  I'm gonna drop the pieces in the mail to him and he said he'd mill out a replacement and send it back.  
10:59 <@Dolemite> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjo4uxkN6sc
10:59 < PigBot> The Happytime Murders | P True Hollywood Story TV Commercial | In Theaters Friday (at www.youtube.com)
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11:38 < aestetix> curious how trump's approval rating has been roughly static for over a month now
11:47 <@Corydon76> You mean it's reached the floor of his base, who refuse to criticize him no matter what he does?
11:47 < aestetix> his base is about 43% of the american public, apparently
11:48 < aestetix> https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html
11:48 < PigBot> RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Trump Job Approval (at www.realclearpolitics.com) http://tinyurl.com/y9z5dnha
11:48 <@Corydon76> That's not his base, that's the Republican base.  There's his base, and then there's the "but what about her emails" base.
11:49 <@Corydon76> The American public is roughly divided into 5 sections of 20%:  extreme left, lean left, independent, lean right, and extreme right.
11:50 < aestetix> ok so mathematically.... who supports trump?
11:50 < aestetix> I guess the extreme right and the right?
11:50 < aestetix> and a bit of the independent?
11:50 <@Corydon76> Any person, in order to be elected, has to either appeal to 3 of the 5 sections, or inspire the other 2 to stay home on Election Day.
11:53 <@Corydon76> Everything in electoral politics is about exciting the base, appealing to independents, or demoralizing the other side.
11:57 <@Corydon76> I think the exact reverse of Trump's winning strategy appears to be the case in 2018:  his base is demoralized, his opposition is excited, and independents are split.
11:58 <@Corydon76> Whether that's enough for Democrats to win the Senate is an open question.
11:58 <@Dolemite> I just want the turtle gone
12:00 <@Dolemite> but he's so entrenched it's near impossibility
12:00 <@Corydon76> If Heitkamp holds on in North Dakota and Bredesen wins in Tennessee, I think there's a strong possibility that that will be enough for McConnell to lose his majority.
12:01 <@Corydon76> But those are two very tough races.
12:07 < shapr> YAY PHREAKNIC!
12:07  * shapr hops cheerfully
12:10 < aestetix> It would be great to see the house to to the democrats. It would completely gridlock the federal government and force the states to grow balls again
12:13 <@oddball> Corydon76: I don't know, Trump's opposition has been doing its damndest to alienate everyone else.
12:14 < aestetix> You mean like how everyone gets upset at Trump for calling Elizabeth Warren pocahantes, even though she was the fraudulent beneficiary of a position intended for an Indian?
12:15 <@eryc> intended for an Indian?
12:15 <@Corydon76> aestetix: that's ultimately a ridiculous assertion
12:16 <@Corydon76> It is illegal to intend any position of public trust for anyone based upon their race alone.
12:16 < aestetix> So affirmative action is illegal?
12:16 <@Corydon76> According to the Supreme Court, yes
12:17 < aestetix> I guess Harvard is gonna have a jolly old time with that
12:17 <@Corydon76> Harvard is a private institution, and may do whatever they jolly well please
12:17 < aestetix> hmmm
12:17 < aestetix> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/elizabeth-warren-wealthy-native-american/
12:17 < aestetix> apparently it's a mixed issue
12:18 < PigBot> FACT CHECK: Elizabeth Warren, Wealthy Native American? (at www.snopes.com) http://tinyurl.com/ybggr6p6
12:31 <@Dagmar> 530-464-6003
12:32 <@Dagmar> Student loan spam
12:32 <@Dagmar> My first name is "Ligma"
12:32 <@Dagmar> They're a little slow
12:32 < ZeroBorg> they don't meme...to many people to scam
12:32 <@Dagmar> I'm going to keep calling and abusing them until they block my number
12:33 <@Dagmar> Apparently they're using receptionists to screen incoming calls before they send them to a "specialist"
12:34 <@Dagmar> Next call... I'm going to bring up the subject of their possible arrest for knowingly engaging in fraud
12:36 < ZeroBorg> "dell technical support" used to call me a bunch
12:36 < ZeroBorg> i think they would spoof their number, so when you got frustrated and called back...you actually called the real dell tech support
12:37 < ZeroBorg> at least, they pretended that's what had happened when you called back
12:38 < ZeroBorg> so this is a noob question. As far as i understand DE
12:39 < ZeroBorg> DE's are just a preference thing?
12:39 < ZeroBorg> so if i pick gnome (which i hate the side launcher bar) or lxde it's just what i prefer looking at right?
12:39 < ZeroBorg> i understand they're are some small performance / use cases for lightweigh...ness.
12:42 <@Dagmar> Yeah
12:43 <@eryc> i don't think DE is a thing, its a WM
12:43 <@eryc> and you can have a Composer
12:44 < ZeroBorg> ah ok, i though they were called desktop enviroment's
12:44 <@eryc> they've been called that but i don't think it's the best term
12:47 < ZeroBorg> ok thanks
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14:34 < dasunt_> Cohen already has a plea deal?
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14:40 <@Dagmar> I am pretty sure the FBI was printing up so many "fuck Trump for a reduced sentence" forms that they're getting a bulk rate at Kinkos
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14:41 <@Dagmar> j0seph: Nah, Kali's just not a daily driver.  It's a "tool".
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15:23 < Evilpig_> now this is going to sound insane, but i'm gonna ask it anyway.  does anyone know of any cheap shit web hosting companies that still offer php 5.2?
15:29 < dasunt> Huh.  MAGA:  My Attorney Got Adeal?
15:29 <@Dagmar> Heheh
15:29 <@Dagmar> Is anyone in their right mind still maintaining backports for PHP 5.2?
15:30 < dasunt> "right mind" and PHP seems contradictory.
15:32 < Evilpig_> consulting customer is working on a new site to replace their ancient drupal6 one but they need it off this one server asap and want to hang it someplace else til their new one is done
15:32 < Evilpig_> I don't think it's possible to move
15:44 < oddball> uhhh... roll your own through AWS?
15:54 <@Corydon76> Evilpig_: If PHP 5.3 is sufficient, then I'd suggest an RHEL 6 license, as they'll support PHP 5.3 for the current period
15:55 <@Corydon76> RHEL 5 has PHP 5.1, but RHEL 5 is as good as dead in terms of support.
15:57 <@eryc> why would you need RHEL
15:58 <@eryc> you can run php on anything
15:58 <@Corydon76> Because RHEL will actually provide support
15:58 <@eryc> who needs support?
15:58 <@Corydon76> including security updates
15:58 <@eryc> is php in base?
15:58 <@Corydon76> Including updates where the PHP team is no longer applying those updates.
15:58 <@Corydon76> Yes
15:59 <@Corydon76> Basically, RH will backport patches to keep the system secure.
15:59 <@Corydon76> And I'm thinking the client doesn't want a system that is vulnerable by default.
16:00 <@eryc> or just use centos
16:00 <@Corydon76> That, too, though if anything goes wrong, they'll want RHEL for the support.
16:01 <@eryc> you ever open a ticket with RH?
16:01 <@Corydon76> But yes, CentOS 6.7 should have all the same standard updates as RHEL 6.7
16:01 <@Corydon76> Not my bailiwick.  My boss deals with vendor support.
16:02 <@eryc> so you're suggesting something you've never used
16:02 <@Corydon76> What, support, or the underlying OS?
16:03 <@Corydon76> The purpose of support isn't for fixing problems.  It's to have someone to blame when things go wrong.
16:03 <@eryc> so the request was for "dirt cheap webhosting" and you justify RHEL because of their support which you've never actually used
16:03 <@Corydon76> We have a vendor we get support from, where if we get patches at all, it'll be 6 months down the line.
16:04 <@eryc> isn't that illegal
16:04 <@Corydon76> LOL
16:04 <@Corydon76> You haven't worked in corporate environments very long, have you?
16:05 <@shapr> I used to do tech support at digium, had a guy call in and ask me to fix his asterisk on linux kernel 2.0
16:06 <@shapr> that was the largest amount of time between install and me working on the system
16:06 <@shapr> more than ten years
16:07 <@eryc> Corydon76: oracle sued a couple vendors for doing that
16:07 <@eryc> so.. laugh on
16:10 <@eryc> also who waits 6 months for security patches
16:48 < oddball> many... many... big companies
16:54 <@eryc> i'm talking about major stuff like php or drupal exploits that are public facing
16:55 < oddball> yep
17:27 < Evilpig_> Corydon76: rhel actually provides 0 support for 5 now.  it was EoL'd last fall
17:28 < Evilpig_> I'm gonna try a centos6 and see if 5.3 will work I think it has issues though with epreg()
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19:43 < ZeroBorg> well...
19:43 < ZeroBorg> im on nix now.
19:43 < ZeroBorg> went to try a live cd...then windows wouldn't boot...so trial by fire i suppose
19:58 <@eryc> if you have any questions i can point you in the right direction
19:59 <@eryc> i was going to mention earlier you can try out i3wm at some point for something radically different
19:59 <@eryc> you'll need all the accessories as well (menu bar, task tray, notify, etc)
20:00 <@eryc> oh and you can add a composer for neat transition effects
20:16 < ZeroBorg> i'll get to that point
20:16 < ZeroBorg> using xfce for now
20:16 < ZeroBorg> a few little things aren't working...my hdmi out being 1 of them...im on a laptop
20:17 < ZeroBorg> and...i fixed my multimedia keys to mute / volume up and down...but the next track, pause and previouse buttons aren't working. I cannot find th mapping string for pulse audio for those buttons like i did the others
20:19 < ZeroBorg> i don't think it's possible. :(
20:19 <@shapr> I can't figure out the memory address for the gpmc on a beaglebone black :-|
20:21 < ZeroBorg> i had to google that, what are you using it for?
20:22 <@shapr> I'm trying to figure out how to mmap in the FPGA memory, so I can write to /dev/mem and flip bits
20:22 <@shapr> I'm teaching myself verilog and FPGA dev in general
20:23 <@shapr> Sunday I learned basic verilog and made a thing: https://imgur.com/a/qdOp2fl
20:23 < PigBot>  First verilog code that does something - Album on Imgur (at imgur.com) http://tinyurl.com/y8k6d3vq
20:23 < ZeroBorg> i just heard about fpga's, im don't know exactly what it is.
20:23 <@shapr> I wanted to put that up as an example, and the BeagleWire repo owner asked that I map LED modules into the BeagleBone memory
20:23 <@shapr> ZeroBorg: reconfigurable chip
20:24 < ZeroBorg> how is it different then say. an arduino
20:24 <@shapr> or in more words... you get a bunch of things that can act as boolean logic gates
20:24 <@shapr> and you get a reconfigurable routing mechanism for all those things
20:24 <@shapr> arduino is a real asic that has a design
20:25 <@shapr> an FPGA is a chip that lets you build a chip of your choice
20:25 <@shapr> your chip can be as simple as an LED blinky
20:25 <@shapr> or it can be an entire CPU
20:25 < ZeroBorg> lower level? basically you get to deal with the chip itself...not the firmware that arduino installs
20:26 <@shapr> no, one level below an arduino
20:26 <@shapr> you can come up with a design that is an Arduino, and put that on the FPGA
20:26 <@shapr> then you have an Arduino
20:26 < ZeroBorg> yes ok gotcha
20:26 <@shapr> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field-programmable_gate_array
20:26 < PigBot> Field-programmable gate array - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/7843dj8
20:26 < ZeroBorg> i quickly glanced at that last week.
20:27 <@shapr> ZeroBorg: all the pins on an FPGA can be connected to any other pin, and you can have any logic you want between those pins
20:27 < ZeroBorg> errr when you posted your verilog test earlier actually
20:28 <@shapr> if you zoom in on this: https://knielsen.github.io/ice40_viewer/ice40_viewer.html
20:28 < PigBot> ICE40 layout viewer (at knielsen.github.io) http://tinyurl.com/knnf8qs
20:28 <@shapr> you can see the connections and the logic
20:31 < ZeroBorg> ok. whats a usage? real life application?
20:32 <@shapr> A CPU is general purpose, means its decently fast at all the things
20:32 <@shapr> but it's not the fastest at specific tasks
20:32 < ZeroBorg> eryc , is it possible to install i3 and switch to it instead of using xfce?
20:32 <@shapr> so you could design a real chip, an ASIC, and that would be the very fastest at whatever you need to do
20:32 <@shapr> but it takes millions of dollars to design a chip, and mistakes can mean you just lost all that money
20:32 < ZeroBorg> shapr i saw that fpga's focus was simultaneous instructions instead of based upon clock speed like a cpu
20:32 <@shapr> yeah, there's that too
20:33 <@shapr> but if you need purpose specific speed, and you can't afford to make your own ASIC, you can buy FPGAs and load a design on them.
20:34 <@shapr> you also get the benefit that you can update the design to fix any mistakes found years after you originally made the board
20:34 <@shapr> Last I checked, Digium does that for their T1 cards, for example
20:36 <@shapr> ZeroBorg: FPGAs are sufficiently useful that Amazon lets you rent some of the largest in their F1 instance
20:36 <@shapr> The AWS F1 instances have the 10 or 20 thousand dollar FPGAs
20:36 <@shapr> I have the $8 FPGA :-)
20:38 < ZeroBorg> so is their a central processing unit to an fpga or is it strictly using circuit logic?
20:39 <@shapr> An FPGA is a circuit, and you load in the definition of that circuit
20:39 <@shapr> Intel is starting to sell some high end server chips that have both
20:39 <@shapr> ZeroBorg: are you coming to PhreakNIC?
20:40 <@shapr> I could do an intro to FPGAs
20:40 < ZeroBorg> i should be there
20:40  * shapr submits a talk proposal
20:41 < ZeroBorg> i can do the same things with an fpga that a microcontroller does..with the advantage being primarily speed
20:41 <@shapr> speed and parallelism
20:41 < ZeroBorg> Sorry for all the questions, just trying to define in my head the difference
20:41 < ZeroBorg> ok. So what are YOU going to use it foR?
20:41 <@shapr> no worries, I'm just getting started myself :-)
20:41 <@shapr> don't know!
20:41 < ZeroBorg> :)
20:42 <@shapr> I'd like to make a keyboard with extremely low latency, that might happen
20:42 < ZeroBorg> I'm still a noob at microcontrollers. I am spending a lot of time on them atm...i have a few goofy projects i would to get done before phreaknic
20:42 <@shapr> but right now I want to be able to do FPGA dev well enough to understand the good and bad points
20:42 < ZeroBorg> so that's my frame of reference, microcontrollers since i've been messing with those a lot lately.
20:43 <@shapr> ZeroBorg: arduin?
20:43 <@shapr> I've done some Arduino stuff
20:43 < ZeroBorg> I've had an arduino for like a year and have never really done much with it
20:43 <@shapr> blink lights!
20:43 <@shapr> do you have any neopixels?
20:44 < ZeroBorg> in the last month...ive bough a Adafruit Huzzah Feather for theyre version of micropython called Circuit python. I also bought the Adafruit Trinket M0
20:44 < ZeroBorg> I just got in 3 esp8622...only $4 to play with
20:44 <@shapr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLzSmpz35Ac
20:44 < PigBot> NeoPixel Scarf with colors set from the 3D compass in the LSM303 (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/qcpedqa
20:44 < ZeroBorg> Goal with 1 of those is to relay with some 12v Peristalic pumps to automatically water some plants
20:45 < ZeroBorg> which i've spent some time getting the planting area ready
20:45 < ZeroBorg> i think what i'm gonna do soon is put some motion sensing on my workshop lights...i hate the pull chains
20:46 <@shapr> huh, that's cool
20:46 < ZeroBorg> ... i feel drunk watching that video..the camera is all weird
20:47 < ZeroBorg> I have 2 projects in mind for phreaknic...ones a name badge. I hope that's not to nerdy.
20:47 < ZeroBorg> and the other well...if i can even get it done you'll see
20:48 < ZeroBorg> Both star trek based...
20:48 < ZeroBorg> idk even know if i should 'do a project' for phreaknic or if that is gonna get me some weird looks :) Is it weird to bring something to...basically play with / show of
21:10 < ZeroBorg> i would welcome a fpga talk to learn about ti
21:10 < ZeroBorg> it*
21:43 <@eryc> its not weird.. that's half the fun
21:44 < oddball> ZeroBorg: do your project, bring it and show it off.
21:45 <@eryc> https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/choose-switch-linux-display-managers/
21:45 < PigBot> How to Choose & Switch Linux Display Managers (at www.makeuseof.com) http://tinyurl.com/yc5agld6
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