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06:58 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:59  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:32 < Healix> yo
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10:07 <@Mirage> Evilpig: I already have a 28 port Cisco, so I just wanted a PoE switch to get rid of the injectors.
10:10 <@Mirage> OK, this "Unifi Device Management" crap about the "Management VLAN" is BS...or at least it isn't shown in the GUI on my controller.  It states software 5.5.x+ and mine's at 5.8.x, so it's not due to old software.  https://help.ubnt.com/hc/en-us/articles/219654087-UniFi-USW-Using-VLANs-with-UniFi-Wireless-Routing-Switching-Hardware
10:10 < PigBot> UniFi - USW: Using VLANs with UniFi Wireless, Routing & Switching Hardware – Ubiquiti Networks Support and Help Center (at help.ubnt.com)
10:31 <@Evilpig> can you not set an IP for it?
10:32 <@Mirage> There's no option in mine to set a 'management vlan'.   The only thing listed under services is SNMP.
10:32 <@Evilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/l5g43gtea1w1hd1/Screenshot%202018-08-14%2010.32.30.png?dl=0
10:32 < PigBot> Dropbox - Screenshot 2018-08-14 10.32.30.png (at www.dropbox.com) http://tinyurl.com/ycvwjpjy
10:32 <@Mirage> So I have to set the port as trunk with one of the vlans untagged and the other one tagges
10:33 <@Evilpig> in the controller I just clicked on devices on the left, clicked on the switc in the list and it opened that panel
10:33 <@Evilpig> clicked on config -> services and it has the drop down picker there
10:33 <@Mirage> Yeah, do you have a Unifi AP?  Does it show on it also?
10:33 <@Evilpig> yes
10:33 <@Mirage> Weird.
10:34 <@Evilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/8cub39yfmqzic3q/Screenshot%202018-08-14%2010.33.55.png?dl=0
10:34 < PigBot> Dropbox - Screenshot 2018-08-14 10.33.55.png (at www.dropbox.com) http://tinyurl.com/y78cjajw
10:34 <@Evilpig> I'm running version 5.8.24 of the controller if that matters
10:34 <@Corydon76> You cannot set VLAN 1 on UniFi devices.
10:34 <@Mirage> Do you have the security gateway?
10:34 <@Evilpig> I do
10:34 <@Mirage> I'm wondering if that's a requirement that they're failing to mention.
10:34 <@Evilpig> shouldn't be
10:35 <@Corydon76> If your switch requires the management VLAN to be 1, then you need a Level 3 switch to route between VLANs
10:35 <@Mirage> I wouldn't think so, but you never know
10:35 <@Evilpig> did you create all your networks under the site config?
10:36 <@Mirage> Evilpig: yes, i created the networks (vlans), then I had to create profiles to assign to the switch ports in order to assign more than one vlan to a port.
10:37 <@Mirage> Corydon76: Trunking all the vlans on the uplink between the Cisco and the Unifi switches and I have connectivity on them, so I should be good.
10:38 <@Corydon76> Mirage:  are the APs showing up on your UniFi site?
10:38 <@Mirage> Evilpig: wtf.. NOW the management VLAN dropdown is showing.
10:38 <@Evilpig> lol?
10:39 <@Corydon76> There's a command that I run daily to get the APs to stay online
10:39 <@Mirage> Corydon76: I haven't had any issues with them staying online since I bought a CloudKey
10:40 <@Corydon76> Crontab this:  ssh ubnt@{AP-IP} mca-cli-op set-inform http://{IP-of-controller}:8081/inform
10:40 <@Evilpig> why?
10:40 <@Corydon76> You would need to exchange ssh keys to get that to go
10:40 <@Mirage> I was having issues with them dropping both with the software running on my windows workstation and running it on a Debian VM
10:40 <@Corydon76> Evilpig: Because mine get stuck in an Adopting loop
10:40 <@Evilpig> I even have remote APs that don't have that 
10:41 <@Corydon76> They don't do that if you get them fresh from the factory, but if you ever reset them... Adopting loops!
10:41 <@Corydon76> I bought one that was used... Adopting loop!
10:43 <@Evilpig> maybe you should completely reflash that.  that sounds like a bad hack
10:43 <@Corydon76> It is a bad hack.  But you can't reflash the device unless it's been adopted by the controller
10:43 <@Evilpig> about the only issue i've had is after updating firmware i've had to go in and manually set the inform a few times
10:44 <@Corydon76> That's what that command does... it sets the inform.
10:44 <@Evilpig> with the latest controller you can push out ssh keys now so that makes it quicker to get in
10:44 <@Corydon76> Yes, that's what I did, as well
10:44 <@Mirage> Yeah, I noticed that and added a key too
10:45 <@Corydon76> Basically, I went through all of their steps, and ran the set-inform... which is really a shell alias to the above command
10:45 <@Corydon76> And since it's a shell alias, you can't run it remotely unless you have an interactive shell
10:47 <@Dolemite> Ugh.   Stupid administrative rules.
10:47 <@Corydon76> Something else I've discovered is that you shouldn't leave Chrome pointing at the UniFi management site for an extended period of time... Chrome starts eating memory.
10:47 <@Evilpig> havne't noticed that.  have noticed that with facebook
10:48 <@Dolemite> Old rules - when traveling for business, if you go a day early or stay a day later and it makes the flights cheaper; you can apply those savings towards the hotel costs.   New rules - thanks for saving us money!
10:49 <@Corydon76> Dolemite: that's fucked up.
10:50 <@Corydon76> Another thing I've discovered is that UniFi doesn't like being set up in parallel to another network, even if it's not the DHCP server.  Nope, if there's another AP out there with the same SSID, that's a rogue AP, and there's no way to tell it to flag that MAC address as legitimate.
10:53 <@Evilpig> the other ssid is annoying, but I don't have mine running dhcp
10:54 <@Corydon76> I have two different DHCP servers, for insecure and secure networks, respectively, different IP ranges.
10:54 <@Corydon76> I'm working on having UniFi extend both networks, and using VLANs to keep the traffic separated.
10:57 <@Mirage> I have DHCP for 4 networks (int-nat, guest-nat, iscsi, media) running off my main CentOS server and then a backup DHCP for guest-nat and int-nat running on the OpenBSD firewall.
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11:00 <@Mirage> CentOS is the primary DNS and the firewall is the secondary.  DDNS gets a little weird if the firewall winds up handing out an IP, though.
11:00 <@Mirage> I probably need to look into setting up OMAPI between the DHCP servers
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11:29 <@dasunt> Dolemite: So what's your incentive?
11:43 <@Dolemite> dasunt: For this trip, it's completely personal.   I've never been to OR or WA, so with Portland being right on the border of the two, I can rent a car for a day, tool around and see some sights and check two more states off of my list of places I've been.
11:43 <@Dolemite> But if this was a trip to somewhere I'd been plenty of times, I'd make the company pay the higher rate to fly me in on Sunday
11:44 <@Dolemite> Of course, the Sunday flight choices were horrible.   Given the 4 hour time zone difference, I'd be getting to my hotel after Midnight body-clock-time, then having to function in a class the next morning.
11:55 <@dasunt> Maybe the company should split the difference - find a cheaper fligher, get 50% of the savings towards hotel costs.
11:57 <@Dolemite> This is a recent change.   Up until this year, you would get the savings included in your reimbursement check - so it could offset the costs for the personal travel days.
12:29 <@Dolemite> In this case, it didn't matter, much.   By the time they put in the government rate on the flights, it was only $20 cheaper.
12:50 <@Mirage> hrm, I'd never run into the issue before because I use squirrelmail for 99% of my email, but I just ran into an issue where an email sent using ThunderBird bounced due to SPF because I hadn't added the nat IP as being allowed..only the IP of the mail server had been listed.
12:51 <@Mirage> Quick and easy fix..update DNS spf TXT record and reload.
12:52 <@Mirage> That reminds me..I need to drop my TTLs in prep for the impending move.
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14:46 <@eryc> looks like Susan Eggers got the Eckert-Mauchly Award "just in time"
14:46 <@eryc> heh
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14:50 < _halcyon> hiya
14:50 < _halcyon> this is a guy from long ago, phreaknic 3.0 to be exact. I was looking for that old tshirt design ... I've lost my beloved phreaknic 3.0 shirt and wanted to print a new one.....
14:51 <@Corydon76> It's so much fun seeing the people who join the channel around Defcon, knowing that they'll be gone in 2 weeks for another year.
14:51 < _halcyon> so the people around back then were ... dagmar, maverick, doommaker, flip ...
14:51 <@Corydon76> Me
14:52 < _halcyon> probs, i have a bad memory
14:52 < _halcyon> i went by frenzy
14:52 <@Corydon76> It was my first PhreakNIC
14:52 < _halcyon> jonnyx
14:52 < _halcyon> joline
14:53 <@Corydon76> As far as that design, Pig might have it, as we did a retread of the design for 17.
14:53 < _halcyon> I was just a kid, lol good times though. me: http://archive.phreaknic.info/pn345/pix99/maverick/homeless-kinkos.jpg
14:53 < PigBot> None (at archive.phreaknic.info) http://tinyurl.com/ycnyfp4r
14:53 < ezelkow1[m]> heh, i think 3.0 was the only one i went to
14:53 < ezelkow1[m]> i still have that hacker inside shirt tho
14:54 < _halcyon> I think we went to 4.0 also but my brother and I had the police called on us for acting stupid
14:54 <@Evilpig> yeah I have all the old designs. one sec
14:55 < _halcyon> i think it was 4.0 or maybe 5.... during Halloween and we basically dressed up like terrorist and raided the con, it was right next to BNA so they (hotel staff) called the cops
14:55 <@Corydon76> Yes, PhreakNIC 4, where the network barely worked, because someone decided that IEEE 802 was just a recommendation, and sure, they could string more hubs together
14:55 < _halcyon> evilpig you are awesome
14:55 <@Evilpig> they're on my ftp.  back when I did the website for PN there was a hidden directory on the server with everything
14:57 < _halcyon> you guys still have meetings?
14:58 < _halcyon> i went to a couple a few years ago
14:58 <@Evilpig> http://archive.phreaknic.info/history/shirts/
14:58 < PigBot> Index of /history/shirts (at archive.phreaknic.info) http://tinyurl.com/y7nedrg7
14:58 <@Evilpig> most of those aren't print quality, but they are all that exist
15:00 <@Corydon76> Yes, we're now meeting at Nashville Software School
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15:00 <@Corydon76> 500 Interstate Blvd S, 3rd floor
15:01 <@Corydon76> Ironically, Interstate Blvd S doesn't intersect with an interstate.
15:03 < _halcyon> what day do you meet?
15:04 <@Corydon76> First Friday of every month, 6pm
15:04 <@Corydon76> Same as every other 2600 meeting, except that the usual time is 5pm, instead of 6
15:05 < _halcyon> well there you go. very good. thanks. awesome, might try to make it sept. .... you guys have a good turn out?
15:06 < _halcyon> btw, thanks @Evilpig
15:06 <@Corydon76> I think we have anywhere in the neighborhood of 10-20 people show up to meetings.
15:06 < _halcyon> that's great!
15:07 <@Corydon76> And we have some people who are driving an hour to get to the meetings
15:08 < xray> The Atlanta Cybersecurity Engineers Discord channel has been created that has a PhreakNic sub group. https://discord.gg/9cBHYV9
15:08 < PigBot> Discord (at discord.gg) http://tinyurl.com/y9375crc
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15:19 <@Dagmar> I remember an incident at 3, and the guys who pulled it off got lucky
15:19 <@Dagmar> I was elsewhere in the hotel at the time, and I would have just started "neutralizing targets"
15:19 <@Dagmar> ...and considering that I still couldn't sit with my back to a large, open space at the time, no this is not braggadoccio
15:29 < _halcyon> dagmar, we were lucky that it was a pre-911 world, we'd be dead otherwise - to be fair we were acting goofy as hell and not threatening at all. (ninja flips in hallways, hiding behind plants) it's just that we were head to toe black with balaclavas etc....
15:30 <@Dagmar> Okay, that might not have been you guys then
15:30 <@Dagmar> The description I was given was that they seemed serious
15:30 < _halcyon> well, apparently to the hotel staff...
15:31 <@Dagmar> Pranks are all well and good, but people gotta watch out for the possibility that someone might have a really lethal reaction heh
15:31 < _halcyon> we were put in cop cars and things almost went sideways when one of our friends decided to exercise his right to be an asshat to the cops and refuse to give ID etc...
15:31 < _halcyon> yeah, again - we were dumb kids
15:31 <@Dagmar> Water, bridges, etc
15:32 <@dasunt> I was reading an article in Popular Mechanics today that was about public school security features.
15:32 < _halcyon> still I had a lot of fun and look back on my few PN escapades fondly
15:32 <@dasunt> Bollards before the doors, an entryway that you have to buzz to get in, etc.
15:33 <@dasunt> I kept thinking that when I went to HS, kids would leave on their lunch breaks to get some food.
15:33 <@Dagmar> yeah
15:34 < _halcyon> yeah, i did a semester in mississippi in HS and kids left hunting rifles in their trucks in parking lot, lol
15:34 < _halcyon> different time for sure
15:35 <@Dagmar> Yeah, when I was in HS they made an announcement one day after a cop just happened to notice there were like nine students with rifle racks in their trucks. and seven of them had rifles in them
15:36 <@Dagmar> Literally just a reminder that school property included the parking lot
15:36 <@dasunt> Now you get in trouble for a butter knife.
15:36 <@Dagmar> One guy actually forgot to leave his rifle at home the next day, and he was a kid who was constantly in detention-type situations, and he actually asked (and got to) apologize to the school for forgetting.  heh
15:36 <@Dagmar> He was not a _bad_ guy, he just liked crime
15:38 <@eryc> you can get in trouble if you draw a picture of a butter knife with a crayon
15:39 <@eryc> teach your kids early to only draw wizard sticks
15:40 <@shapr> xray: oh that's interesting
15:40 <@shapr> I should check out that discord
15:40 <@shapr> how's discord better than slack again?
15:40 <@eryc> it's for gamers
15:40 <@eryc> and nazis
15:40 <@eryc> mostly gamers
15:41 <@Dagmar> Discord & Telegram both can use fully-encrypted chats
15:41 < xray> I have no idea. I don't use slack and I didn't create the discord server
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15:41 < xray> This is the first time if used Discord as well. It will work with just a web browser and there is a thick app if you want it.
15:41 <@eryc> we're still holding you responsible
15:42 < xray> No problem
15:42 <@shapr> haha
15:42 <@shapr> I like irc
15:42 <@shapr> not sure about the other chat stuff
15:42 <@shapr> I've been using irc since 1988
15:42 < xray> I have been told that my ability to ignore complaints is legendary
15:42 <@shapr> I'm in my comfort zone with irc
15:43 <@eryc> i started using discord to talk to the programmers for this game that's in early access
15:43 <@dasunt> I really like IRC.
15:43 <@dasunt> (No way our sample size is biased at all towards IRC, btw)
15:44 < xray> LoL
15:45 <@shapr> I use slack for work, it's like institutional dementia
15:45 <@eryc> it didn't take too long before they asked me to change my nickname to something besides DickLord
15:45 <@shapr> eryc: are you thirteen? :-P
15:45 < xray> I have my own mumble server for in game chat. Running on an RPi of course.
15:45 <@eryc> i only recent saw guardians of the galazy
15:46 <@eryc> so anyway i changed it to StarLord and put Groot as my avatar
15:47 <@eryc> is there any good chatter in that ATLSec discord?
15:49 < xray> quite a bit. They set it up during DEF CON and a bunch of people jumped right in.
15:51 < ezelkow1[m]> discord is quite handy, since its maitenance free, and fee free, had friends paying yearly for a teamspeak server and the moment discord came out I had them stop paying and switch
15:51 < ezelkow1[m]> they havent looked back since
15:52 <@shapr> I don't like voice chat
15:53 <@shapr> but that may be the voice chat systems I've used before
15:53 <@Evilpig> you're all about showing that you aren't wearing pants rather than telling?
15:53 <@eryc> i'm joined up.. looks like a cool group
15:53 <@shapr> Evilpig: https://twitter.com/shapr/status/1027337144409501708
15:53 < PigBot> SH∀∃ ∃RISSON ☠ on Twitter: "Here's my work from home coffee cup.… " (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/y8c89exo
15:54 < ezelkow1[m]> well I dont really use voice chat for anything but games, where its sort of necessary. Thats why discord is handy cause when your not playing you have text chat to fart around in, as many people do in the servers Im in
15:54 < ezelkow1[m]> then you just join up to a voice one when you're playing
15:55 <@Mirage> Damnit, I should have looked at the wifi board in my new Zotac mini-PC.  Switched the interface to M.2/NGFF, so ordered a Broadcom chipset card to replace the Intel and it doesn't fit.
15:55 <@Mirage> At least they're cheap as hell.
15:55 <@Corydon76> xray: I don't know if the Discord app really qualifies as "thick".  It's really just a custom web browser client.
15:56 < ezelkow1[m]> ^, and you need it for push to talk support, so you aren't 'that guy'
15:56 <@Mirage> It does look like I'm pretty much screwed on getting a wifi card in it that's supported by OpenBSD for hostap mode, though.
15:56 <@shapr> ezelkow1[m]: *heavy breathing increases*
15:57 <@shapr> yeah, I play tf2
15:57 <@shapr> once a month or so something worth hearing is in voice chat
15:57 <@shapr> but mostly it's children spouting the most offensive words they know
15:57 < ezelkow1[m]> and why am i showing up as [m], i swear this riot.im is so flaky
15:59 < ezelkow1[m]> yea i usually avoid the built in voice chat in games for that reason, only talking to actual friends Im playing with on discord
15:59 <@_NSAKEY> Mirage: That's what I used an ebayed linksys wrt router for. I flashed it with openwrt and forced it into AP-only duty.
16:00 <@Mirage> Sorry, I personally like ventrillo better.  Also Discord and my firewall don't get along because of the random ports
16:01 <@Mirage> _NSAKEY: I like to have my firewall setup as a secondary AP as a "just in case" fallback..it's not normally used
16:01 <@_NSAKEY> I just grab another ebayed linksys out of a box in those situations.
16:02 <@_NSAKEY> I got a few of them, because of course I needed to give the attendees in the kid's track cancer.
16:02 < ezelkow1[m]> yea i didnt realize discord had a port range of 15k ports, thats just retarded, and sucks for things like kids at schools
16:03 <@eryc> it doesn't use uPnP?
16:03 < ezelkow1[m]> oh i think it does, but if you've disabled upnp and only want to open specifics its like 50k-65k udp
16:04 < xray> LoL. That would be me except I wear pants.
16:05 <@eryc> apparently they have a funky port routing for RTP on their end
16:05 <@shapr> does discord use srtp?
16:05 <@eryc> it might.. it doesn't look like it uses upnp
16:06 <@eryc> seems like it just uses UDP hole punching
16:07 <@eryc> yea looks like they use srtp
16:07 < xray> The discord server isn't running local is it? So why do you need to open ports?
16:07 <@eryc> to receive audio packets
16:08 <@shapr> I have some experience dissecting rtp, I am now curious about trying to dissect srtp from discord
16:08 <@eryc> well they forked libsrtp: https://github.com/discordapp/libsrtp
16:08 < PigBot> GitHub - discordapp/libsrtp: Fork of libsrtp (at github.com) http://tinyurl.com/yazez2qj
16:08 <@eryc> so good luck
16:09 < xray> I'm looking at the features list and wondering how they do all that for free.
16:09 <@eryc> Step 1. Get a shitton of users
16:09 <@eryc> Step 2. Become unicorn
16:09 <@eryc> Step 3. Pay people to figure out a business model
16:09 < ezelkow1[m]> they offer some 'nitro' package, which i only reall know one person who pays for it
16:10 < ezelkow1[m]> *really
16:11 <@eryc> Steam's going after their business but with recent AAA's exclusive to their own stores it seems like Discord as a pretty good future
16:11 < xray> I can see how Nitro would be useful if you are doing live streaming and use Discord for a live forum.
16:12 <@eryc> yea maybe they're targeting the twitch crowd first since they have some sort of related income
16:13 < xray> and Discord apparently has OBS integration which a lot of streamers use.
16:13 <@eryc> i'm still in awe that Fortnite is distributing their own .apk and getting people to side-load so they can keep more of kids lunch money
16:14 < ezelkow1[m]> well when you dont need any of what the app store offers shrug
16:15 <@shapr> google is grumpy about that
16:15 <@shapr> they're missing out on money
16:16 <@eryc> seems pretty greedy consider it's all young kids playing for the most part
16:17 <@eryc> and they stole the entire game concept
16:17 <@shapr> hey, young kids buy all my items in tf2
16:17 <@shapr> I've made nearly a thousand bucks off tf2
16:17 <@eryc> is that why people play?
16:17 <@shapr> mostly because I enjoy manipulating in-game economies
16:17 <@shapr> probably made at least five bucks an hour
16:17 <@shapr> :-/
16:18 <@eryc> if there's entertainment value then why not
16:18 <@eryc> i'm currently not employed by anyone
16:20 <@eryc> i'm going to be flying out to SFO/SJC in a few weeks for an SRE interview
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16:25 < ezelkow1[m]> we probably have SRE openings if you want to apply
16:25 <@shapr> ooh, where?
16:25 < ezelkow1[m]> would be in denver, i think they are trying to avoid any more remote
16:26 <@shapr> hm, any software devs needed in denver?
16:26 < ezelkow1[m]> yea, we have a bunch of tech here
16:27 <@shapr> I should see if zooko needs coder
16:27 < ezelkow1[m]> Im sure dish is looking, since everyone is fleeing :), but google is opening up in boulder, we have a smaller undisclosed apple office, theres a sizable amazon engineering office here, among a bunch of others
16:27 <@shapr> hm, that sounds interesting
16:27 <@shapr> lots of jobs here in atlanta, but nothing very exciting
16:27 < ezelkow1[m]> https://jobs.comcast.com/job-182551-product-development-engineer-comcast-cdn-sre-in-denver-co-telecommunications
16:27 < PigBot> Comcast Careers Product Development Engineer, Comcast CDN SRE in Denver, CO (at jobs.comcast.com) http://tinyurl.com/y9m69l26
16:27 < ezelkow1[m]> thats our SRE
16:28 < ezelkow1[m]> but i think they have more openings than just that, thats the only FTE, the rest are on contract basis, which usually leads to FTE as long as you're alright
16:28 <@shapr> perl?
16:28 <@shapr> yikes
16:29 <@shapr> I can do the rest
16:29 < ezelkow1[m]> lol
16:29 < ezelkow1[m]> well you dont really need perl, alot of that stuff is optional, its just things we use, so the more someone knows the better
16:29 < ezelkow1[m]> like i didnt know perl coming in to this, but i made changes to perl code after like 2 weeks
16:30 < ezelkow1[m]> and that almost looks like they combined our SRE and regular engineering job descriptions, the SREs usually do more with the ansible/puppet/automation side
16:31 < ezelkow1[m]> but also handling bits n pieces of everything else, the engineers mostly do the java/perl/go, and in my case the c/c++ which is unlisted
16:31 <@Dagmar> Perl's a fairly easy language to pick up
16:31 <@Dagmar> It just takes some time to really master.
16:34 < ezelkow1[m]> but anyways, theres probably a ton of jobs on that site, we have 3 engineering offices here, theres the giant engineering tower in philly, and an office in SV
16:38 <@eryc> boulder would be a cool place to live
16:39 < ezelkow1[m]> ehh, sorta, its like cali 2.0, they got sugar and bag taxes and all that stuff, and cant really live there either, gotta buy a place in the north denver burbs and drive in
16:39 <@eryc> well compared to cali 1.0
16:40 <@eryc> arizona and maybe vegas i guess are cali 1.5
16:42 <@eryc> i'm hoping to set up a cot in the office basement in cali
16:43 <@eryc> denver was a little flat for me much like phoenix but of course there's mountains nearby
16:43 < ezelkow1[m]> housing prices here do sort of suck, they arent SV prices, but they are getting there, like my house has doubled in the past ~7 years, an average nice 1bed is like 1200-1500
16:43 < ezelkow1[m]> yea, its flat, but hills are only 20min away
16:45 < ezelkow1[m]> its only really flat if you look east :)
16:45 < ezelkow1[m]> but the whole no trees thing is a big change from the eastern half, which can make it seem more flat than it really is
16:47 <@eryc> its way more interesting than phoenix i think
16:47 <@eryc> they are planned very similarly
16:49 <@eryc> like the usual grids of suburban sprawl and a downtown
16:50 < ezelkow1[m]> yea, though its not as sprawly as phoenix is, like the southern most suburb that i would still consider a denver suburb is like 20min from me, and im in south denver, and same goes for the north/east sides
16:50 <@eryc> well if you exclude Sedona i guess
16:51 <@eryc> yea it didn't feel like a huge area when i was there
16:52 <@eryc> this was a long time ago.. but you don't have the northeast gridlock as much
16:52 <@eryc> there's a lot of legacy geography in the northeast and cali
16:52 <@eryc> mostly in terms of roads
16:53 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: https://www.facebook.com/events/218169545665239/permalink/274456116703248/
16:53 < PigBot> Extreme Midget Wrestling in Nashville,TN at Redneck Riviera! (at www.facebook.com) http://tinyurl.com/y838ne3g
16:59 <@Evilpig> I see your midgets and I raise you oddities.  https://www.eventbrite.com/e/freaklesque-tickets-47300467973
16:59 < PigBot> Freaklesque Tickets, Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 8:00 PM | Eventbrite (at www.eventbrite.com) http://tinyurl.com/yblurmyr
17:00 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: I will still be in Virginia for that
17:00 <@Evilpig> we're heading back on saturday
17:02 <@Dagmar> Ah... I figured I'd just make sure you knew it was happening
17:03 <@dasunt> I like it when some candidates make it easy for me not to vote for them.
17:07 <@Evilpig> I would totally be down for some midget tossing action. even despite it being downtown
17:10 <@dasunt> Looking at our ballot, the incumbent judge made the news for his second DWI arrest, and reportedly tried to use his influence as a judge to avoid a ticket.
17:14 <@dasunt> WTH?  https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/csw/cto/d/nissan-datsun-720/6645266767.html
17:14 < PigBot> Nissan Datsun 720 - cars & trucks - by owner - vehicle automotive sale (at minneapolis.craigslist.org) http://tinyurl.com/y9elsfvl
17:21 <@eryc> i guess cops think they pay the judges salary
17:21 <@eryc> makes sense
17:22 <@eryc> only other cops can get out of jail free or hand out free cards
17:22 <@eryc> my brother has 1-2 cards
17:22 <@eryc> they only get you off if you pee on the subway or something stupid
17:23 <@eryc> a DWI isn't gonna be cool anymore now that we have Uber, etcc
18:54 < Healix> So this may seem silly, but i'm thinking of starting a hacker/makerspace where i live. I don't know if it would even go anywhere or be supported
18:55 < Healix> Is there a reason that one would be a 2600 group over doing something like that? To me it's all the same at this point in history, i understand the history of 2600 and phreaking.
18:57 < Healix> anyone that lurks here deal with any of the organizational part of it have any pointers for starting / doing something like that
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20:19 <@oddball> Healix: While there's a *lot* of overlap in interest, a 2600 group and and hacker/makerspace are two different beasts.
20:20 <@oddball> Traditionally, a 2600 group is basically a bunch of folks the meet once a month, and maybe do some activities together, while a hacker/makerspace is an actual dedicated space.
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20:48 <@eryc> Healix: the community project is a 501c3 makerspace with a shared workshop, interest meetings, and public interest meetings
20:50 <@eryc> if you want to host security meetups then OWASP or a local Security Professional org is the best bet
20:51 < xray> or a DEF CON chapter
20:52 <@eryc> yea jump into the larger group at this point defcon is mainstream
20:52 <@eryc> it gets like 5% of the coverage that other vegas cons get
20:54 <@eryc> they said 30k attendees this year?
20:54 <@eryc> that's a lot of badges
21:06 < Healix> @eryc ok gotcha, i'd love to do a makerspace, but that seems to have a larger need for capital. whereas a 2600 is just a meet up, less like a  501c3. I'm personally more interested in a makerspace, i just think it would be more difficult to get that ball rolling
21:07 < Healix> I'd like to basically just meet up with other people, maybe work on some projects / hack stuff / learn from others
21:08 < Healix> thing is, where i'm from nothing like any of these exist. I know the people are here, it's just getting them involved.
21:09 < Healix> Their is a Hackercon at the end of this year, which i plan on attending. I was just trying to get somethign going more frequent then once a year.
21:10 <@oddball> Local hackercon?  you could always check with the organizers of that to see if there's already something that you don't know about.
21:11 < Healix> Yea i reached out to them today, asking if they are looking for volunteers. I did that as a way to strike up a conversation and possibly ask about more, like you suggesting...left me on read lol
21:14 < Healix> xray thanks for mentioning a defcon group. I basically am looking in finding people who are interested, meeting up once or twice and see what happens.
21:15 < Healix> I'd love a makerspace, but that's overhead, time, money...not saying that couldnt happen in the future. It feels more official and almost a business, even if it's 501c3.
21:20 <@eryc> yea just do the meetup and gettogethers
21:21 <@eryc> that's a better use of time/effort currently i think
21:21 <@eryc> you can order anything a makerspace can fabricate online now
21:22 <@eryc> that wasn't always the case and of course woodworking isn't something done at any scale
21:23 <@eryc> if it's a new venture where you want to get people interested then whatever gets people involved is the best idea
21:24 < Healix> Yea that's true. I'd like to do a makerspace, because i'd think it'd be great for kids and encouraging them. That can still occur but without this giant overhead of establishing basically a store fron
21:24 < Healix> front*
21:24 < Healix> yea, i think something like just a monthly or twice monthly meet up group would be ideal and kind've see where it goes.
21:24 <@eryc> yea that's how things happen or not
21:25 <@eryc> you can host at the library even
21:26 <@eryc> i don't think being a 2600 designated meetup would mean anything to Minecraft and Fortnite players
21:27 < xray> Healix: : Have you checked if there are any maker spaces already in your area.
21:28 < Healix> eryc haha that's true. I already thought about using a library, that's exactly what i'd do. Super easy.
21:28 < Healix> xray no their is nothing like that.
21:29 < Healix> (( in irc, is it just me typing your name for it to highlight the line?))
21:29 < Healix> there's
21:30 <@eryc> yea most clients highlight with a nick prefix or sometimes anywhere on the line
21:30 < Healix> ok thanks, stupid weechat manual doesn't mention it.
21:30 <@eryc> well it's still the wild west after all these years
21:31 <@eryc> this past month this irc network has been under attack
21:31 < Healix> really
21:31 <@eryc> which isn't that unusual but it has been fairly sustained
21:31 <@oddball> pfft. People only use irc to pirate books and software.  No one actually talks on it anymore.
21:32 <@eryc> the switched to +R for everyone and bounced all the servers which seems to have solved the problem
21:32 <@oddball> eryc: I hadn't noticed the attacks here, but slashnet was getting spammed ahard.
21:32 < Healix> oddball funny you say that, please everyone feel free to tell me to stfu.
21:33 <@oddball> Healix: Oh, no.  From what I've seen, you've been a welcome addition. :)
21:33 < Healix> oddball thanks
21:33 <@oddball> heh
21:34 <@oddball> oops, wrong window.
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23:09 <@Mirage> wow..this unifi PoE switch gets toasty.
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