--- Log opened Mon Aug 13 00:00:10 2018 01:36 < aestetix> man 01:36 < aestetix> the BBC is starting to look like CNN 01:36 < aestetix> (in a not good way) 01:53 < aestetix> oddball: what do you think of the idea of bringing back the Fairness Doctrine? 01:55 < aestetix> the fundamental question is "how do you fix political polarization", and the answer there is "ensure both sides are presented" 01:56 < aestetix> although that would only apply to tv, and not to youtube 01:57 < aestetix> And I'm also unclear on whether it would have any effect, given that it was repealed in the late 80s and the polarization issue is new as of the last 10 years 02:33 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-crbhmlbjmsiznvlr] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 06:24 -!- Dolemite [~scott@h69-131-146-18.cncrtn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has joined #se2600 06:24 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dolemite] by ChanServ 06:24 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 07:02 -!- Corydon76 [~quassel@zett.abyt.es] has joined #se2600 07:02 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Corydon76] by ChanServ 07:02 -!- Corydon76 [~quassel@zett.abyt.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:04 -!- Corydon76 [~quassel@zett.abyt.es] has joined #se2600 07:04 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Corydon76] by ChanServ 07:34 -!- TheDukh [~thedukh@66-38-50-21.pool.dsl.duo-county.com] has joined #se2600 07:45 <@oddball> aestetix: I think re-instituting the fairness doctrine is a horrible idea, and I don't think it would actually help anything. 07:50 < aestetix> oddball: I just had a long chat with someone else about it, and now I'm even more confused than before 07:50 < aestetix> :) 07:50 <@oddball> oh? 07:51 <@oddball> I just *really* don't like the idea of the government putting restrictions on the press beyond "don't fucking lie." 07:51 < aestetix> confused isn't the right word. It seems that there are deeply logical reasons both for and against it 07:51 < aestetix> makes sense 07:51 <@oddball> So... here's my thing. 07:51 < aestetix> I mean the real question is.... how to reduce polarity 07:53 <@oddball> In a perfect world, the fairness doctrine would be properly applied, and it would actually cause the news to do what it should do, but the doctrine would not only be enforced by humans, but highly political humans. 07:53 <@oddball> Given some of the stuff that Obama's administration pulled while he was in office, I wouldn't want them to have that power, and I think we can all agree that Trump shouldn't. 07:53 < aestetix> https://www.c-span.org/video/?200008-1/abolishing-fairness-doctrine 07:54 < aestetix> that's basically the reason given in this vode 07:54 < aestetix> video 07:54 < PigBot> Abolishing Fairness Doctrine, Jul 18 2007 | Video | C-SPAN.org (at www.c-span.org) http://tinyurl.com/yd4rms2b 07:54 <@oddball> Of course, in a perfect world, we wouldn't need the fairness doctrine. 07:54 < aestetix> (it's a speech by the guy who was the chair of the fcc when they repealed the fairness doctrine) 07:54 <@oddball> Honestly? I'm not sure how we can reverse the current polarization, and I blame the internet. 07:55 <@oddball> Instead of being a force for spreading of knowledge, it's caused people to be able to find folks that think like them and live in a very select bubble. 07:55 < aestetix> yep 07:56 < aestetix> And then dehumanize people they disagree with 07:58 <@oddball> And even with the fairness doctrine, the news can/was bias. They just select was stories they're going to talk about. 08:00 <@oddball> And with the internet, there's no way to really control the news feed from blogs, etc. When it comes down to it, what's the difference between the Huffington Post, Vice News, etc and some random blog? 08:02 < aestetix> well at the moment, not much ;) 08:02 <@oddball> heh, that's fair. 08:03 <@oddball> But the only difference between a "legitimate news site" and "some random blog" is reputation and money. 08:04 <@Corydon76> Only thing that might be good is for programs to display a seal when they're reporting the news, as opposed to editorializing, so casual users can tell the difference. 08:06 <@Corydon76> With liability to extend to the possibility of losing their broadcast license if they violate that seal. 08:06 <@Corydon76> Self regulation has really failed in that aspect. Too many people think Sean Hannity is reporting the news. 08:07 <@oddball> There'd be a lot of folks that would lose that license. 08:07 <@Corydon76> Good riddance 08:19 <@oddball> Actually, given the current state of things... that would just remove news from TV entirely. 08:21 <@Corydon76> I dunno. I think the corporate nature of TV broadcast would insert a lawyer into the news room, where for every edgy claim, it's rewritten without that claim before it's aired. 08:22 <@Corydon76> That's been the case for 40 years for FCC obsenity. Companies are so fearful of being fined that they self-censor. 08:35 <@Mirage> Like the twins in Good Morning Vietnam redacting everything off the news wire before being handed off. 08:36 <@oddball> yep 08:37 <@Corydon76> Except that it's not the government doing it. It's corporations. 08:37 <@Mirage> I think they need to add a 'Common Sense' advocate in there too that will redact all the Cardassian crap, hig speed vehicle chases in LA, etc that noone with any common sense really cares about. 08:38 <@Corydon76> Mirage: that would imply that they're not driven by advertisers 08:38 <@Corydon76> The point of all of that is that it's mass market stuff of no real import, but draws eyeballs. 08:38 <@Mirage> I mean, how the fuck is a high speed chase in LA really considered nat'l news unless the person being chased had committed high-profile crimes in several states.. 08:38 <@Corydon76> More eyeballs mean advertising brings in more money, which translates to corporate profitability 08:39 <@Corydon76> How do we create a station that is self-sustaining if not for advertising? Tax dollars? 08:40 <@Corydon76> Or PBS? 08:40 <@Corydon76> Maybe subscription based? But that's not going to have a sphere of influence 08:44 <@Corydon76> Some of these videos on Amazon for products are hilarious. $12 car charger being described as the height of luxury. 08:44 <@Mirage> Most of the companies with news networks are supported by other channels with plenty of advertising, etc.. IMO that's not an excuse. 08:45 <@Mirage> Yes, I realize that companies base success on $$ made and not solely on "are we profitable." 08:53 <@Corydon76> Well, and companies tend to jettison divisions that aren't profitable and can't be made profitable 08:53 <@Corydon76> The goal is never to support unprofitable divisions; it's to maximize profit in each division. 09:03 < aestetix> Corydon76: are you advocating for a sort of FDA for news? 09:04 <@Corydon76> aestetix: No, I'm suggesting that the FCC already has purview 09:04 < aestetix> Hmm. Do you think the FCC should have jurisdiction over Facebook? 09:05 <@Corydon76> Facebook doesn't broadcast over the public airwaves 09:05 < aestetix> Sure, but if common carrier were extended to include internet, then you could make the case... 09:06 <@Corydon76> That's a BIG if 09:06 < aestetix> oh I know 09:07 <@Corydon76> Now if Facebook itself were doing broadcasting, even broadcasting to satellite systems, I could see it. But AFAIK, they're not. 09:08 <@Corydon76> A number of even the cable news networks are distributing to hubs via satellite systems, so there's the FCC jurisdiction. 09:09 < aestetix> speaking of news 09:09 < aestetix> https://reason.com/volokh/2018/08/13/us-court-authorizes-service-by-twitter-o 09:09 < PigBot> "US Court Authorizes Service By Twitter on Wikileaks" - Volokh Conspiracy : Reason.com (at reason.com) http://tinyurl.com/yb3td5kq 09:11 <@oddball> That's... interesting... 09:13 <@Corydon76> In that case, it was only because the court was convinced that the organization was resistant to being served, but plaintiffs had evidence that WL had already seen and read the lawsuit in its entirety 09:14 <@Corydon76> Basically, if you're really good at avoiding service, you can be served via public notice. 09:14 <@Corydon76> And the whole point of service is to make sure that the defendant knows about the lawsuit, so they have the opportunity to mount a defense. 09:15 <@Corydon76> I'm rather expecting a default judgement, though. 09:45 -!- NotLarry [~NotLarry@c-68-53-121-109.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 09:45 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o NotLarry] by ChanServ 10:56 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has joined #se2600 11:00 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@47.39.211.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:15 <@_NSAKEY> oddball: Got my copy today. 13:21 <@Dolemite> LOL @ the EDM dance club scene from last night's "Who Is America?" 13:42 < Healix> i've got to start watchign that show, i've seen a few of the clips 13:44 <@Dolemite> Some of the setups are total duds 13:44 <@Dolemite> But some are outright hilarious in what some people will do 13:45 <@Dolemite> The Erran Mossad segment from this week is another good one 13:45 <@Dolemite> Those are the consistently funny ones 13:50 <@Mirage> damn cicadas in the tree outside my home office are so loud i thought a hard drive or fan was starting to make bad noises 13:55 <@Corydon76> Mirage: You know they sell industrial concentrated insecticide that you can dowse the tree with, right? 13:56 <@Corydon76> Just think, 17 years from now, you'll be saving yourself a headache 13:56 <@Mirage> yeah, this isn't TN...cicadas are out every year 13:57 < Healix> or creating an enviromental disaster...forever lol 13:58 <@Corydon76> So you're saying you need to spray every year, then 13:58 <@Mirage> free cat toys and treats 13:58 <@Mirage> though when they drag a pissed off one in at night it's really loud and annoying 13:58 <@Corydon76> Healix: I'm only suggest insecticde, not a nuclear blast. 13:59 <@Corydon76> Though a nuclear blast would surely get rid of all the eggs, too. 13:59 < Healix> ...why not both..plus you get the flies and misquitos with the later 13:59 < Healix> latter* 14:00 <@Corydon76> Both? The nuclear blast would vaporize the insecticide so there would be no point 14:01 < Healix> due diligence. kill those bastards. :) 14:01 <@Corydon76> Besides, only cockroaches survive nuclear blasts. 14:02 <@Corydon76> That's why you have to kill them with fire. 14:23 -!- brimston3 [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has joined #se2600 14:23 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimston3] by ChanServ 14:25 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: @brimstone 15:45 < K`Tetch> 14:50:26 «@Mirage» damn cicadas in the tree outside my home office are so loud i thought a hard drive or fan was starting to make bad noises <-- I lived on the edge of a national forest the last time there was a major cycle (09?) they were EVERYWHERE and the noise was incredibly loud 15:51 -!- PigBot [~PigBot@wilpig.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:57 -!- PigBot [~PigBot@wilpig.org] has joined #se2600 16:25 -!- ant| [anti@unaffiliated/ant/x-9054527] has joined #se2600 19:11 -!- cordless [cordless@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-ivfxftqmzyskyser] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:18 -!- cordless [cordless@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-qqzmvpkoouzzgexr] has joined #se2600 19:36 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-njntkbyjotmmovpq] has joined #se2600 19:49 -!- xray [~xray@c-73-43-4-206.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 19:57 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: ant|, @ladymerlin, @_NSAKEY, @rhia, aestetix, HackMaster___, @EnabrinTain, @Corydon76, @Mirage, Shadow404, (+24 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 20:03 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes615@unaffiliated/hobbes615] has joined #se2600 20:03 -!- Netsplit over, joins: PigBot, @NotLarry, @Dolemite, strages, cordless, ant|, @brimston3, K`Tetch, TheDukh, @Corydon76 (+24 more) 20:25 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes615@unaffiliated/hobbes615] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:28 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes615@c-68-52-51-5.hsd1.ky.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 20:28 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes615@c-68-52-51-5.hsd1.ky.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:28 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes615@unaffiliated/hobbes615] has joined #se2600 20:31 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes615@unaffiliated/hobbes615] has quit [Client Quit] 20:31 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes615@c-68-52-51-5.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 20:31 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes615@c-68-52-51-5.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:31 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes615@unaffiliated/hobbes615] has joined #se2600 20:42 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes615@unaffiliated/hobbes615] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:42 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes615@c-68-52-51-5.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 20:42 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes615@c-68-52-51-5.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:42 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes615@unaffiliated/hobbes615] has joined #se2600 20:49 <@Mirage> yeah, configuring ports with VLANs on the new Ubiquity 8 port PoE is weird. 20:50 <@Mirage> I did finally get the trunk uplink via SPF fibre to my Cisco working. 20:51 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes615@unaffiliated/hobbes615] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:51 <@Mirage> I'll try using the 10G DAC once I get in the new house. Frankly I just wanted to see the fiber work. 20:53 <@Mirage> One think I haven't figured out is how to configure the "management LAN". It seems to basically just try to get an IP from any VLAN and then use that one for management. 20:55 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes615@c-68-52-51-5.hsd1.ky.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 20:55 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes615@c-68-52-51-5.hsd1.ky.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:55 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes615@unaffiliated/hobbes615] has joined #se2600 20:57 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes615@unaffiliated/hobbes615] has quit [Client Quit] 20:58 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes615@c-68-52-51-5.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 20:58 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes615@c-68-52-51-5.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:58 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes615@unaffiliated/hobbes615] has joined #se2600 21:54 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes615@unaffiliated/hobbes615] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:55 -!- brimston3 [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.1] 21:57 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has joined #se2600 21:57 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimstone] by ChanServ 21:57 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes615@2601:484:c200:1ee0:fc9e:72c2:ae52:9d01] has joined #se2600 21:57 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes615@2601:484:c200:1ee0:fc9e:72c2:ae52:9d01] has quit [Changing host] 21:57 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes615@unaffiliated/hobbes615] has joined #se2600 22:08 <@Evilpig> Mirage: nice. I got one of the 24 port ones myself 22:21 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes615@unaffiliated/hobbes615] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:36 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes615@c-68-52-51-5.hsd1.ky.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 22:36 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes615@c-68-52-51-5.hsd1.ky.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:36 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes615@unaffiliated/hobbes615] has joined #se2600 22:54 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes615@unaffiliated/hobbes615] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:35 -!- klixa-cloud [uid861@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tdllrdlvlnsjirbo] has joined #se2600 23:35 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa-cloud] by ChanServ --- Log closed Tue Aug 14 00:00:12 2018