--- Log opened Tue Aug 07 00:00:01 2018
01:10 <@Dagmar> It's a good thing I enjoy watching Windows reboot and vainly try to get around the configuration I put on that laptop
01:11 <@Dagmar> I'm literally watching it download a different nvidia driver sys file, which would be guaranteed to be ENTIRELY WRONG if I hadn't already disabled that GPU entirely
01:11 <@Dagmar> It's frelled.
01:14  * Dagmar gapes.
01:15 <@Dagmar> Reason #483,472 why Windows should not be tolerated.  In the last pass, it re-enabled the goddam broken GPU.
01:15 <@Dagmar> ...and now i get to sit through three more reboots until I can get it back to safe mode.
01:18 <@Dagmar> ehwot?
04:34 < aestetix> http://archive.is/x5Ybe
04:34 < aestetix> hope you all saw this
04:34 < PigBot> Facebook to Banks: Give Us Your Data, We’ll Give You Our Users - WSJ (at archive.is) http://tinyurl.com/yb5a3mf9
06:48 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:54  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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09:33 <@Evilpig> from the ticket inbox this morning:  "Install the packages for "patch" and "nano" on two servers. I need "patch" to install software. And vim drives me crazy."
09:34 < aestetix> They should just learn to use vim
09:35 <@dasunt> Agreed.
09:37 <@Evilpig> it made me laugh
09:41 <@Dolemite> rofl
09:51 <@dasunt> We've tested Skype.  We've tested Teams.  We have a document management system.  Now my boss is manually updating an email and sending it around to everyone for project updates.
09:51 < aestetix> Hmm.
09:51 < aestetix> So the real test right now is not Alex Jones, but who gets suspended after him.
10:00 <@Evilpig> They're pushing teams onto us and my group is resisting
10:02 < aestetix> what is Teams?
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10:38 <@rhia> Ajit and the FCC lied about that DDos - who'd have ever guessed?
10:38  * rhia reaches for the fainting couch
10:56 <@dasunt> aestetix: Teams is...  Ummmm.  An annoyance?
10:56 < aestetix> ok
10:57 <@dasunt> Think if Skype, Outlook, and OneNote all had an orgy.
10:58 <@dasunt> I think it is supposed to target the same need as Slack.
11:34 < aestetix> so uh
11:34 < aestetix> anyone here into ancient greek history?
11:47 <@Corydon76> dasunt: one of the volunteer efforts I work with replaced Slack with Discord.
11:51 <@dasunt> "Discord" almost lines up with aestetix's question.
11:53 <@dasunt> Also, vaguely aware of Ancient Greek history.  Why do you ask?
11:58 <@dasunt> Oh, and since I'm on my fourth cup of coffee today and completey ADHDish, anyone use a spam-call blocking app on Android that they can recommend?
11:59 <@Corydon76> dasunt: NoMoRobo
12:00 <@Corydon76> Unlike some of the competitors, it's reasonably priced, and it comes very well trained.  The only downside is that it doesn't have a demo mode to preview its good effects.
12:00 <@dasunt> Hmmmm.
12:01 <@Corydon76> But I seriously don't even have to think about it.  It just works.
12:02 <@dasunt> I'm leaning towards something free, since I'm at about 1-2 spam calls/week
12:02 <@Corydon76> Occasionally I get a notification that I missed a call that never rung, and it's pretty clear from the callerid that it was spam.
12:03 <@Corydon76> There are lots of competitors that do demos for 30 days.
12:03 <@Corydon76> Try one if you like.
12:03 <@Corydon76> CallControl, for example
12:04 <@Corydon76> One word of caution, though.  Try _only_ one.  They will mess with each other if you try to use more than one concurrently.
12:04 <@Corydon76> Including things like eating battery
12:05 <@dasunt> Speaking of phone batteries, I should order a new one now.
12:07 <@dasunt> Or a new phone.
12:32 <@Dolemite> I was pleasantly surprised to discover that my VoiPo service that I just transferred us to includes nomorobo for free.
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14:23 < K`Tetch_> rhia - well, i knew they lied
14:24 < K`Tetch_> and i very rarely get spam calls on my google voice number, especially as i have call screening enabled. 9 years and maybe got 5 calls
14:28 <@Dagmar> UNnfortunately, the spam callers are now aware of hte blocking efforts and are just spinning up new VOIP numbers every couple of  hours
14:28 <@Dagmar> This is why we should try to drive them to madness
14:30 < xray> Dagmar: That is what this is for: https://jollyrogertelephone.com/
14:30 < PigBot> Jolly Roger Telephone | Revenge Has Never Been So Sweet (at jollyrogertelephone.com) http://tinyurl.com/y9q872my
14:30 < K`Tetch_> oh, i know *all* about that. my wife gets 2-3 calls a DAY about people wanting to know why verizon isn't doing something about it, or how come they're not blocking things etc.
14:31 < xray> I wish Jolly Roger Telephone was open source so I could run a local instance.
14:31 < K`Tetch_> but, if you call my number, if you're not on my pre-approved list, it'll ask you to give a name to identify yourself, then it'll ring, and if i pick up, it'll play that identification, and ask me if I want to answer or send to voicemail
14:33 < K`Tetch_> most autodial systems will hang up when it goes back on ring
14:37 <@Dagmar> lol the spammers routed me to voicemail
14:37 <@dasunt> LOL.  Got one call blocked already.
14:39 <@Dagmar> They've already told me clearly two things which were lies, which makes this fraud
14:39 <@Dagmar> Now to call them back with my Google Voice number
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16:27 <@dasunt> Tesla may be going private.
16:33 < xray> That is the rumor based on a post to their web site.
16:53 <@Dagmar> Short term burst of drama which will hopefully result in a long-term reduction of drama
16:56 < K`Tetch_> would love to knoww where they'er going to get the money to go private
16:57 < K`Tetch_> since they're pissing money away like a drunk at oktoberfest
17:00 <@Dagmar> Well, they've also been _making_ quite a bit of money
17:00 <@Dagmar> ...but clearly someone is looking to hurt them repeatedly based on all the rather lurid stories that keep going to the press
17:01 < K`Tetch_> when you have negative cashflow, yu're not makign money
17:01 < K`Tetch_> their revenues are less than their expesnes
17:01 <@Dagmar> I can't imagine who might have a problem with a company making really nice cars that use renewable electrical power instead of oil
17:02 < K`Tetch_> how about company making cars badly, inefficciently, and without elarning from a century of automaking experience?
17:02 <@Dagmar> Who says they haven't learned how to make a car?
17:02 <@Dagmar> Half their cars leave most "sportscars" eating dust, while costing less
17:03 < K`Tetch_> er, they say they hvan't. they've made so many errors in manufacturing
17:03 < K`Tetch_> thats burnt through a shit-ton of money
17:03 <@Dagmar> Also, if half a century of "automaking experience" were all that great, why does it take EPA mandates to make them actually be more fuel efficient
17:03 < K`Tetch_> and left their ramp-ups extremely slow
17:03 < K`Tetch_> you're confusing design, with manufacturing
17:04 <@Dagmar> We've got the capability of making cars with CVTs instead of stepped transmissions, yet adoption of that has been shit
17:04 <@Dagmar> That weird inside-out engine design was actually pretty awesome, but that's about the only serious advancement that's been made in ages
17:04 < K`Tetch_> I could design a massively inefficient track car, or an eefficient one - but either way, if I don't pay attention to a century of automotive manufacturing experience in how to set up, and roll out a new vehicle production line, it's going to be shit either way
17:05 <@Dagmar> _Everyone_ has to work out how to do things
17:05 <@Dagmar> Getting irked because Tesla goes through the same mess doesn't make a lot of sense
17:05 <@Dagmar> About the only difference is that they don't appear ot have the ability to _hide_ their development process
17:05 < K`Tetch_> i'm not talking about 'new technologies', I'm literally talkign about 'the way you set up and roll out a vehicle production line' - no matter if it's a ford ka, an aston martin, or a tesla, it's all the same
17:05 < K`Tetch_> btw, I've had a CVT car, have you?
17:06 <@Dagmar> I'm driving one now
17:06 <@Dagmar> Nissan and Toyota seem to be the only people interested in switching to CVT
17:06 < K`Tetch_> I have had two, from the cmopany that did some 80% of car CVT development
17:06 < K`Tetch_> DAF/volvo
17:07 < K`Tetch_> the problem with CVTs is that they have a finite physical power transmission limit at present
17:07 < K`Tetch_> right now i think it's about 240hp, 20 years ago it was about 160
17:07 <@Dagmar> Yeah so because it can't possibly be an F1, people act like asses and poo-poo it
17:08 <@Dagmar> On the whole they're considerably more efficient than a stepped transmission
17:08 < K`Tetch_> no, it's also complex, and not hugely efficient in itself, and gets pretty damned big the more power it has to take (because the spindle ratio has to grow)
17:09 < K`Tetch_> what makes it more efficient is that the engine stays in the peak torque band, where it's most efficient
17:09 <@Dagmar> I drive my car like an asshole with the AC on full and it only drops to 28mpg at most
17:09 < K`Tetch_> same, and i get 31
17:09 <@Dagmar> Without the AC it stays 32-34 all the time, and goes above 36 if I make a trip down the interstate
17:10 < K`Tetch_> and i got 45 from mine going from macon to gulf shores alabama (with 4 people and luggage)
17:10 < K`Tetch_> this isn't a cvt, it's a stick, an 01 saturn S:
17:10 < K`Tetch_> SL
17:11 < K`Tetch_> thre's also about a 4mpg difference between me driving it, and my wife driving it
17:11 <@Dagmar> hehe
17:11 < K`Tetch_> just driving style (because I grew up and learnt in the UK, where gas here now is still cheaper than it was in the uk 20 years ago)
17:14 < K`Tetch_> anyway, here's what i was talking about with manufacturing processes - https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/04/experts-say-tesla-has-repeated-car-industry-mistakes-from-the-1980s/
17:14 < PigBot> Experts say Tesla has repeated car industry mistakes from the 1980s | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com) http://tinyurl.com/yano5bce
17:14 <@Dagmar> To sum it up, I'll worry about it when they stop producing cars
17:20 <@Dagmar> No one was really doing _shit_ about electric engines until Tesla started producing sportscars, so the auto industry as a whole can kinda suck my schlong
17:20 <@Dagmar> ...because in case it's escaped people's notice, time's just about run out on not causing self-extinction
17:21 <@Dagmar> We need to stop burning fossil fuels pretty much _now_
17:21 <@Dagmar> Otherwise there's not going to be a lot of point in worrying about grandchildren
17:25 < K`Tetch_> it's nothing to do with electric motors. what tesla did wrong was trying to over-automate the lines, which is something nissan, GM, ford and toyota all found out was a stupid idea int he 80s and 90s
17:25 < K`Tetch_> we get it, you're a Musk-avite :-)
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20:34 < fie> aestetix, will I see you this year?
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