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06:25 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:25  * aestetix_ hugs Dolemite 
06:26 <@Dolemite> Is that an underscore in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?
06:26 < aestetix_> Dolemite: there's always an underscore for you
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10:18 <@dasunt> Why is Alex Jones still around?
10:21 <@rhia> because we no longer teach basic logic and critical thinking skills as a core in high school, let alone in elementary and middle school
10:21 <@dasunt> But the guy is batshit crazy.
10:21 <@rhia> have you seen who the US elected President?
10:22 <@dasunt> He's arguably batshit crazy even relative to Trump.
10:22 <@rhia> apparently a large swath of the USA is batshit crazy
10:24 <@dasunt> Perhaps.
10:24 <@rhia> hell, the GOP has blocked increased funding for our election security after having it proven that Russia is directly meddling
10:24 <@dasunt> Well, maybe that's not crazy.
10:25 <@Corydon76> dasunt: he's not batshit crazy.  He has followers who are batshit crazy, and he plays the flute.
10:25 <@rhia> which just leaves it open for them to scream loudly that Russia helped the democrats in the midterms and therefore any D wins are illegitimate if not illegal
10:26 <@dasunt> What was the "election security" going to do?  Investigate US election systems and try to reduce the ability of elections to be rigged?  That could end up with inconvenient conclusions if they started looking at access for all voters as well as gerrymandering.
10:26 <@rhia> undermining our democracy for strictly partisan gains could be termed batshit crazy
10:27 <@Corydon76> Alex Jones isn't manipulating for partisan gain.  He's manipulating for personal financial gains.
10:27 <@dasunt> Nope.  It's entirely sane, as long as you believe the group of politicians in power care more about staying in power than democracy.
10:27 <@rhia> because setting us up for a autocratic theocracy definitely is batshit crazy
10:27 <@Corydon76> As long as he has his mansions, his cars, his Rolexes, and his personal security detail, he's happy
10:28 <@Corydon76> Remember that he has no advertisers.  All of the things he's selling he's selling himself.  His radio show is one long infomercial.
10:28 <@rhia> Corydon76, yeah, Jones and Limbaugh are of the same kind - they figured out how to make lots of money stirring shit
10:29 <@Corydon76> Limbaugh has his advertisers and isn't selling his own crap
10:30 <@Corydon76> It's why he was targetable.  Jones is immune
10:30 <@rhia> minor differences in methodology
10:30 <@rhia> consider it an evolutionary trait
10:31 <@Corydon76> The only way you can get Jones off the air is by convincing radio stations to replace him with something else.
10:31 <@rhia> which allows Jones to still spew everywhere while Limbaugh has been hampered
10:31 <@Corydon76> As long as he's paying them, they're going to keep him on.
10:32 <@rhia> again, undermining our democracy/culture for personal benefit
10:33 <@rhia> no long term critical thinking about how that will play out
10:33 <@rhia> just "gimme mo money NOW"
10:34 <@dasunt> STM that autocracy has a long history.  And for the powerful, it worked out well enough.
10:34 <@rhia> (which dovetails into the Libertarian/Conservative shortsighted selfishness "I got mine, screw you."
10:34 <@rhia> )
10:35 <@rhia> dasunt, it also has a long history of only working out well for SOME of the powerful, not nearly so well for anyone who blinks wrong at the autocrat in charge
10:35 <@dasunt> I also think autocracy plugs into that comforting human idea that those on the bottom somehow deserve it and thus since we don't deserve it, we won't be on the bottom, or if we are, it must only be temporary.
10:35 <@Corydon76> Thing is, none of them actually believe that it will undermine the democracy.  As far as they're concerned, they're just making a buck, and democracy will continue
10:36 <@rhia> shortsighted selfishness resulting from a lack of critical thinking skills
10:42 <@Corydon76> Maybe; maybe not.  One of you will be correct, and short of Trump attempting to pull a coup, I'd say they're more likely to be correct.  That's not to say that Trump isn't doing DAMAGE to our system of government, but it's not an end to democracy.
10:44 <@rhia> it's the current culmination of a pattern of corruption that has worked well for them so far, what incentive do they have to change?
10:44 <@rhia> if they don't change, they continue to undermine and eventually anything undermined enough fails
10:45 <@Corydon76> Only if the support is not replaced with something else.
10:45 <@Corydon76> I don't think anarchy is the goal
10:47 <@rhia> personal enrichment is the goal, and i don't think i mentioned anarchy (but it could be one of many results) - i mentioned an autocracy of some sort
10:47 <@rhia> kleptocracy, theocracy, oligarchy . .
10:50 <@Corydon76> There is a theory that says it's already fallen, and we're living in an oligarchy, which started with Reagan.
10:51 <@rhia> and a kleptocracy
11:17 <@dasunt> Maybe we've always been living in an oligarchy.
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11:35 <@Mirage> weird. http://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/2018/08/01/identical-twin-sisters-to-marry-identical-brothers-live-happily-ever-after-in-same-apartment.html
11:35 < PigBot> Identical twin sisters to marry identical brothers, live happily ever after in same apartment | Fox News (at www.foxnews.com) http://tinyurl.com/y8new9o5
11:37 < aestetix_> uhhhhhh
11:37 < aestetix_> that feels suspiciously close to incest
11:37 < aestetix_> like if your brother gets married, is it incest to marry his wife's sister?
11:37 < cyberanger> genetically speaking no.
11:38 < aestetix_> yeah but it feels icky
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11:39 < cyberanger> the awkwardness "Do you think my sister is hotter than me?" "That's why I married her, by the way Steve's in the kitchen."
11:43 < aestetix> I will admit I don't know any identical twins super well..... so maybe there are ways to tell them apart
11:43 <@dasunt> There are.  I'm married to an identical twin.
11:43 < aestetix> Awkwardness is just the beginning of where that can lead.
11:44 <@dasunt> OTOH, I sometimes make mistakes, in low light situations, etc.  But I'm partially face blind, and generally speaking, I have no difficulty.
11:47 <@dasunt> FWIW, I would say I have about as much difficulty telling my wife apart from her twin as I do telling my wife apart from any woman with the same height, hair color, and build.
11:49 <@Corydon76> aestetix: in most places, it is illegal to marry someone who is closely related to you only by marriage.
11:49 <@Corydon76> So yes, you cannot marry your sister in law.
11:49 <@dasunt> Corydon76: Citation needed?
11:53 <@opticron> when did that come into effect?
11:54 <@opticron> my wife's father and uncle married two sisters from the same family
11:54 <@Corydon76> I was incorrect.  It's only illegal if the relation is by adoption.
11:54 <@dasunt> Ironic, since didn't gay couples used to sometimes use adoption to get some of the benefits of marriage before marriage equality?
11:55 <@Dagmar> _by birth_
11:55 <@Corydon76> dasunt: yes, and in at least one case, the adoption was voided as fraudulent
11:55 <@dasunt> Corydon76: :(
11:57 <@dasunt> I believe that at least one state has a prohibition on double cousins marrying, but regular cousin marriage is fine.
11:57 <@Corydon76> It was something along the lines that one person, who died, was heir to a large estate, and being adopted, they would have been in line to be an heir.  The other family members had the adoption invalidated because the relationship was not one of parent-child.
11:57 <@dasunt> (Double cousins are a brother & brother marrying a sister & sister).
11:58 <@dasunt> And I think the bible has something about marrying your dead brother's widow.  Or something like that.
11:59 <@Corydon76> Lunch break.  Time to go vote.
11:59 <@dasunt> I think I want an approval voting system, even at the cost of having possibly bland candidates.
13:01 <@Corydon76> Bland candidates suits me just fine.
13:09 <@eryc> how do you know they are bland unless you eat them?
13:11 <@Corydon76> eryc: good question.  I think we'll have you perform oral sex on each one, and let us know which ones are bland.
13:12 <@eryc> i only have a short lunch break
13:12 <@eryc> perhaps this is more up your alley
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13:52 <@Dagmar> stefano1: That depends on what kind of GPU you have and what driver you're using for it
13:52 <@Dagmar> @#$@#$
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14:52 < hobbes615> so meetings are now at nashville software school?
14:54 <@dasunt> Finally set up most of my Surface laptop.
14:54 <@dasunt> I will have to say, I'm not uber-impressed.
14:56 < hobbes615> im considering getting the surface go, its cheaper than getting my screen repaired on my iPad :/
14:58 <@dasunt> I've actually been mostly happy with a Fire + sideloaded Google Play Store as my tablet of choice.
14:58 <@dasunt> Cheap as fuck.  Fast enough to browse online, fuck around, etc.
15:00 <@dasunt> I think my problem with the Surface laptop is the display size/resolution.
15:01 <@dasunt>  https://paulionbarker.bandcamp.com/album/the-sun-behind-the-sun
15:01 <@dasunt> Bad cut/paste.
15:01 < PigBot> THE SUN BEHIND THE SUN | PAUL ION BARKER (at paulionbarker.bandcamp.com) http://tinyurl.com/ybmjsewl
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15:38 <@eryc> dasunt: you're saying it can watch porn?
15:38 <@eryc> 'browse online, fuck around, etc.'
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15:43 <@dasunt> eryc: I knew I was going to get that response.
15:43 <@dasunt> :)
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22:58 < K`Tetch> 12:59:32 «@dasunt» I think I want an approval voting system, even at the cost of having possibly bland candidates. <-- we tried that internally with the pirate party, just led to naked populism
22:58 < K`Tetch> ended up witht he guy that tried to destroyt he art space a few units down from freeside
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23:53 <@Mirage> cute.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEorEoSViGw
23:53 <@Mirage> pigbot:  Deer joins beach volleyball game at Virginia Tech
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