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01:06 <@Dagmar> dasunt: yeah I had a problem seeing anything wrong with it identifying congresscritters as felons
01:06 <@Mirage> I only glanced at the article, but I only saw "criminal records"...not "felons"
01:08 <@Mirage> Dagmar: I'm having Vandy flashbacks tonight..  In a call for a CRQ being performed by someone else basically just babysitting and making sure they don't fuck something up...and the ones executing the CRQ are idiots
01:09 <@Dagmar> Euw
01:09 <@Dagmar> I'm surprised the ircops haven't dropped in a regexp ban on these idiots already
01:10 <@Dagmar> Clearly there's some character assassination going on
01:10 <@Mirage> I don't remember what that software crap was for operator services, but i remember one night in particular where literally an hour and a half of the change was them trying to figure out the password for oracle
01:10 <@Dagmar> *facepalm*
01:11 <@Dagmar> I kinda hope they track down who is doing this shit, because personally, I'd sue for libel
01:11 <@Mirage> I was playing WoW...I didn't care
01:11 <@Dagmar> THey're accusing two of the ircops of being pedophiles and linking to blogs that use their real names and are clearly pro-pedophilia
01:11 <@Dagmar> I'm not willing to believe they'd ever have become IRCops here with those blogs up
01:12 <@Dagmar> I was tempted to drop an email to Sherrod and ask her to nuke the page on ED from orbit
01:12 <@Mirage> but blog are on the internet...and if it's on the internet it _must_ be true, right?!
01:12 <@Dagmar> Well, personally I think whoever's doing it should probably be investigated for pedophilia, because osme of that crap is waaaay to detailed and lengthy to be something they made up on the spot for this
01:13 <@Dagmar> Like, this a volume of shit someone did not write up in 15 minutes
01:14 <@Mirage> omg..this jackass has taken ~10m so far supposedly trying to "verify the version of the installed kernel is correct" on a RHEL7 server.
01:14 <@Mirage> Keeping in mind that I provided the extremely simple command in the CRQ implementation steps document when they asked for technical review of it
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04:51 <@Dagmar> How THE FUCK does it take ten minutes to check a kernel version
04:51 <@Dagmar> The packages will verify in less time than thta
06:06 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:11  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:17 <@_NSAKEY> Dagmar: That wouldn't work, as of several years ago.
07:19 <@_NSAKEY> The same people flooded #otr on OFTC.
07:21 <@_NSAKEY> But back to my original point, there's been several iterations of leadership with ED since 2011, ever since .com was closed and Sherrod walked away. It's all there if you can read between the lines of the jokes being made.
07:22 <@Dolemite> Dagmar/Mirage - to your points, people reach out to me to help train them on getting openDCIM up and running.  99% of the time I'm getting paid to do the most basic SysAdmin tasks, like setting up Apache, rather than anything that's actually part of openDCIM.
07:22 <@_NSAKEY> Dolemite: With the rampant incompetence in IT, are you surprised?
07:22 <@Dolemite> So there are a lot of people with jobs that should require technical skills that they somehow were able to fake their way into.
07:23 <@_NSAKEY> Reminds me of a guy who lasted 3 weeks as a jr admin at my last job.
07:23 <@Dolemite> Of course, it's exacerbated by the fact that when someone like Dagmar applies for a job, he's often told that he's too senior.
07:24 <@Dolemite> Not in age discrimination terms, but experience.
07:24 <@_NSAKEY> The senior admin had told management that he wanted me in the junior spot, but they ignored him and hired some guy who became known as "the youtube admin" because he would be asked to do something, and then youtube videos on how to do that task would be heard.
07:25 <@Dolemite> Rookie.   Always bring headphones to the office on Day 1!
07:25 <@_NSAKEY> Like, he would get a request to do something with apache, then start watching videos about configuring apache for the next hour or two.
07:25 <@_NSAKEY> Or, he would hide in the NOC with me, and ask me these questions.
07:25 <@Dolemite> One of these days I'd love to have an IT Consulting company with superfast internet, but a proxy filter that restricts anybody from getting to StackOverflow.
07:25 <@_NSAKEY> I wouldn't help him, because I wanted to see if they'd offer me his job if they fired him, and helping him just meant he would stay longer.
07:26 <@Dolemite> Then I'd go around and look to see who was squinting at their phone
07:26 <@_NSAKEY> Or, you could do what one of the newer 2600 guys does. He claims to have an open wifi access point at his place, and that he took a blacklist of porn sites and turned it into a whitelist.
07:26 <@Dolemite> _NSAKEY: If you put a local hosts file entry pointing youtube.com to his own box, he'd likely never figure out how to do anything, again
07:27 <@_NSAKEY> Dolemite: Pretty much, but he didn't last that long.
07:28 <@_NSAKEY> I got a call from an old co-worker recently. They hired some kid to fill the night shift I used to work. By the time they got done teaching him enough to do the job, he was only in that shift for 3 weeks before turning in a 3 weeks notice.
07:28 <@_NSAKEY> Guess he was treating them like a summer job, like McDonald's. I loled hard.
09:02 < aestetix> god I love germans
09:02 < aestetix> you can be so blunt and direct with them and they don't blink
09:03 < aestetix> "no, that idea is stupid, you are wrong, here is why ____"
09:03 < aestetix> "oh, ok great!"
09:07 <@dasunt> Wait, wait, back up - you have coworkers who actually look up how to do something they don't know?
09:31 <@Mirage> bah, i was wanting  bowl of cereal but the only milk we have is buttermilk
09:33 <@Mirage> Dagmar: supposedly the validation was performed quickly, but he had accidentally muted himself on audio.
09:54 < xray> Mirage: You never know, maybe cereal is good with buttermilk. Then again my daughter says I will eat things that would gag a goat.
09:57  * dasunt debatyes getting fired.
09:58 <@dasunt> Ticket just came in:  My eyesight is bad and I can't see the text in Outlook.
09:58 <@dasunt> Really tempted to close it and say see an optomistris
10:55 < xray> Ctrl-scroll wheel will zoom the text making it readable.
11:14 <@eryc> 640x480 shoulld be good enough for anyone
11:25 < xray> don't you mean 80 x 40 character green screen text
11:25 < xray> Or worse yet TTY yellow paper
11:55 < xray> https://discoposse.com/2018/03/20/23-things-only-90s-sysadmins-will-remember/
11:55 < PigBot> 23 Things Only 90s Sysadmins will Remember | DiscoPosse.com (at discoposse.com) http://tinyurl.com/ydflyy8s
11:55 < xray> Happy Sys Admin Day
12:07 <@dasunt> Was PS/2 90s or 80s?
12:09 <@dasunt> Also, how could they mention Zip without mentioning the click'o'death?
12:09 < xray> late 80's early 90's
12:28 <@Mirage> no mention of "micro channel", "E-ISA", "Vesa Local Bus", the USR Modem "Spiraling Death Syndrom", or fun things like the "Wazoo" virus
12:28 <@Mirage> I'm disappointed.
12:28 <@Mirage> Oh..or BUS and Serial mice
12:29 <@dasunt> Serial mice were the norm where I was at.
12:29 <@dasunt> Also IRQs and mem addresses.
12:29 < TheDukh> idk why I read that as IRC
12:29 <@Mirage> Why do they mention Token Ring but not ARCnet
12:29 < TheDukh> or ICQ
12:30 <@dasunt> I think I barely remember setting up ISA.  0x3E0?  0x2F8?  Something like that.
12:30 <@Mirage> You're mixing up card plugs with Serial base addresses
12:30 <@Mirage> er card interfaces with serial base addresses
12:31 <@dasunt> Seems to be modem-specific then?
12:31 <@Mirage> Sadly I'm pretty sure that I still have an old E-ISA configuration floppy
12:32 <@dasunt> Well, any ISA serial card as well.  But I mainly recall serial ports being on motherboards by the time I got around to them, but modems still having to be configured.
12:32 <@Mirage> ISA was the slot on the board you plugged the card into, then you had to set the jumpers to the appropriate non-used serial base I/O and IRQ
12:33 <@dasunt> So how did ISA cards without serial ports worked?  Like sound cards?
12:33 <@dasunt> I must have had one at the time, but damned if I remember configuring it.
12:33 <@Mirage> I still have old floppies for configuring the original jumperless USR and Cardinal modems..the pre plug-and-play ones
12:36 <@Mirage> There were serial, parallel, modem, network, bus, etc ISA cards.   That was just the old 8 or 16-bit black slot on the motherboard.  The ones with a brown one inline behind it were VLB, the longer black ones that looked like an oversized ISA were the EISA ones..and of course you know what a PCI slot looks like.  I'm pretty sure that AGP video slots came out in the late 90's as well.
12:37 <@Dagmar> JUMPERS, MOTHAFUCKA!
12:38 <@Dagmar> Jumpers and jumpers and more little black plastic dinguses than you'd ever get out of your car
12:42 <@Dagmar> Can't you hear the tinkling sound of them being poured into a ceramic bowl?
12:44 <@dasunt> AGP was around the P5 era, I thought.
12:44 <@dasunt> VESA was 386 or 486 maybe?
12:46 <@dasunt> Wiki says that VESA was 32 bit, but relied on 486 chip architecture.
12:47 <@dasunt> LOL, the picture for the AGP slot includes the CNR slot.
12:54 <@Evilpig> haha the paper mcse's.  that applied to cisco too
13:50 <@Mirage> dasunt: yeah, VLB was 32-bit.
13:51 <@Mirage> They also neglected to mention math co-processors and overdrive chips
13:52 <@Mirage> the 'turbo button' was another thing you only saw back then on pre-pentiums
13:53 <@Mirage> Evilpig: watch out talking badly about paper MCSE's...Dolemite was technically one...though most likely more capable
14:05 <@Dagmar> Dolemite can Google
14:06 <@Dagmar> Thedarkb-T60: Similarly bad cron jobs also hold a special place in my heart
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15:46 <@dasunt> Mirage: I'm not sure I saw a turbo button on a 386 or 486.  Did they exist?
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15:50 < xray> yes
15:51 < xray> also on 286
15:51 < xray> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_button
15:51 < PigBot> Turbo button - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/khlwwg6
15:51 <@dasunt> Huh.
15:52 <@dasunt> I remember it was used for some games, but I thought past the 8086/286 era, it would be worthless.
15:52 < xray> Turbo is nothing more than overclocking
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15:55 < xray> On some systems Turbo On mode was normal clock speed and Turbo Off slowed the system to 8088/8086 clock speeds so that games would run at normal speed.
15:55 <@eryc> yea ^
15:55 < xray> They used software loops for timing so at regular clock speeds the games would run to fast
15:55 <@eryc> that's all it was ever used for
15:56 <@eryc> ime
15:56 < xray> On some system Turbo On was actually overclocking to processor
15:57 < xray> Like on 286 boxes that ran at 10 or 12 Mhz
15:58 < xray> snail speed by todays standards
15:58 <@eryc> the wikipedia article doesn't mention them
15:58 <@eryc> heh
16:10 <@dasunt> Fix it.
16:10 <@dasunt> Cite xray as a source.
16:14 <@dasunt> My brain's rotted at this point.  Still about an hour left of work in central time zone land.
16:30 <@Mirage> xray: the "turbo button" was supposed to be for XT compatability because of the shift in software timing where they went from speed to clock-cycles.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_button
16:30 < PigBot> Turbo button - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/khlwwg6
16:32 < xray> nice
16:32 <@Mirage> What was really fun was running an old game that was effected by the "turbo button" on a pentium.   Most of the time whatever game it was ran so fast it was unplayable.
16:32 <@Mirage> especially if it was an old first-person shooter.
16:33 < xray> On Pac Man you would press enter to start and your finger would just about clear the button and the game was over.
16:33 < xray> and you died
16:34 <@Mirage> This is one that comes to mind that we used to enjoy trying to see who could get the farthest in.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burn_Cycle
16:34 < PigBot> Burn Cycle - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/yd9gms8j
16:34 <@Mirage> By farthest I mean "how many seconds will you live"
16:38 <@dasunt> Doesn't sound like too hard of a game from Wikipedia's description.
16:42 <@Mirage> dasunt: at normal speed it wasn't
16:44 <@dasunt> LOL.
16:44 <@Mirage> that was one of the old games that you could poke the turbo button and slow down...so the faster the computer, the faster the game ran.   If you tried to play it on something like a Pentium 133 or AMD K6-166 the speed was so fast it was virtually unplayable.
16:47 <@dasunt> I receieved 141 work emails today.
16:47 <@dasunt> At a minute per email, that's over two hours of dealing with email.
16:48 <@Dagmar> THere was a 3D Pong game we were tossing around in #rave
16:49 <@Dagmar> For awhile we called it "The Game Over Generator" because it would launch, make a weird BRRRT noise and show "GAME OVER"
16:50 <@Dagmar> After running a dozen compiler instances to slow down the CPU, I finally managed to get it to at least be apparent a ball was bouncing past the paddle 15 times
16:51 <@dasunt> Now I remember having a special program to suck up CPU just to make something else run slower.
16:55 <@Mirage> so guess the topic for today has been "god we're getting old"
16:56 <@Mirage> likely with a subtopic from dolemite of "get off my lawn"
16:57 <@dasunt> If you want to come on my lawn and do some weeding, go right ahead.
16:58 <@Mirage> holy crap, Mon/Tue forcast is only for a high of 93 and 89.  May need to unpack some sweaters.
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17:06 <@dasunt> 79F right now, high of 80F both weekend days, 82F & 83F Monday and Tuesday.
18:12 <@brimstone> Dagmar: did you try popping the turbo button back out?
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21:02 <@Dagmar> Dude the machine i was on was WAY past the point of even having a turbo button
21:03 <@Dagmar> It was an AMD 586
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22:32 < ezelkow1[m]> hah, was in an apple office today for a conference, ex-coworker who used to run my team was there, didnt get the tour but he said the whole office is basically
22:32 < ezelkow1[m]> 'Imagine an apple store, now replace the store desks with cubes, thats an apple office'
22:32 < K`Tetch> "hipster purgatory'
22:33 < ezelkow1[m]> yup
22:33 < ezelkow1[m]> of course only took an hour for one of the dudes to ask if I was ready for a change yet and to come there, told him maybe in a year or 2, ive only been at this job for like 8mo, still have a shitload to learn first
22:34 < K`Tetch> my wife wants to work for apple, (shes at verizon atm)
22:34 < K`Tetch> there's only so many times you can see wringly old guy dick on peoples phones when helping them set up facebook accounts
22:35 < ezelkow1[m]> well I have a feeling engineering wise in this area, they probably pay more (they've already stolen 2 people from us who were high ranking guys) but I dunno if Id want to deal with their whole culture, plus benefits are nice where I am and the team/office is great
22:35 < K`Tetch> (sexting is NOT just a teen phenominononouinonoinon (help how do you end that word?)
22:35 < ezelkow1[m]> lo
22:35 < ezelkow1[m]> l
22:36 < ezelkow1[m]> will have to re-evaluate in a year when all the leases are up cause comcast leases 3 building spaces across downtown denver, and once they come due they are going to have to figure out something since we are outgrowing all of them
22:36 < K`Tetch> my wife does WaH tech support, so shes done the full realm of Asureon stuff - direcTV, Home depot, soluto, verizon cellphone insurance, and now verizon tech coach
22:36 < ezelkow1[m]> and if we end up in some dumbass openspace warehouse, i may have to reconsider
22:39 < ezelkow1[m]> well at least she doesnt do regular customer tech support
22:40 < K`Tetch> THATS IN HOUSE, NOT OUTSOURRCED
22:40 < K`Tetch> ack
22:40 < ezelkow1[m]> i dunno how those folks do it
22:40 < K`Tetch> well, tech coach is their 'general tech support' now, everything except billing
22:41 < K`Tetch> have a very strict 'paperless' policy - nothing on your desk that can be written on, or record anything - no phones, paper, pencils, etc. on the desks, and they have to do desk-scans on command with the webcam to enforce it
22:41 < ezelkow1[m]> wow
22:42 < K`Tetch> supposed to be about 'privacy', because you totally can't toss yuor phone onto a cushion when reaching for the webcam
22:42 < K`Tetch> (they provide the pc, monitors and webcam)
22:43 < K`Tetch> they paid over $450 just to overnight the pc+monitors here, from nashville
23:14 <@Mirage> these guys were so fun in concert while they were around back in the mid 90s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZVPYSSLJhY
23:14 < PigBot> Course of Empire "Infested!" (live 7-18-98 at Trees, Dallas, TX) (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/ya5yf974
23:19 <@Mirage> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy3RTFFhSYs
23:19 < PigBot> Top 25 80's childrens tv intro's (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/ndroyzz
23:25 <@Mirage> yeah..those definitely aren't the "top" 25...i never watched about half of them in that
23:25 <@Mirage> 2-3 i dont even remeber...and looking at them i wouldn't have watched them anyway
23:29 <@Mirage> they did save one of the best for last at least
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