--- Log opened Mon Jul 23 00:00:39 2018 02:22 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-suwefdmsrahimatw] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 06:06 -!- Dagmar [dagmar@c-69-180-254-140.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 06:06 -!- Dagmar [dagmar@c-69-180-254-140.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 06:06 -!- Dagmar [dagmar@unaffiliated/dagmar] has joined #se2600 06:06 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dagmar] by ChanServ 06:16 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 06:34 * aestetix hugs Dolemite 07:05 * Dolemite lets out a little fart 07:05 <@Dolemite> don't squeeze so tight! 07:05 <@Corydon76> Good god, Dolemite, what did you eat?!! 07:15 <@Dolemite> Brussel sprouts, navy beans, and a large glass of milk. 07:15 <@Dolemite> Oh, and some boiled cabbage 07:15 < aestetix> Uh, do you have a stomach infection too? 07:20 <@Dolemite> Does a tapeworm count? 07:20 < aestetix> did the tapeworm also fart? 07:20 <@Dolemite> That could be why I feel bloated 07:30 < aestetix> man youtube is so broken 07:31 < aestetix> it's astonishing how many times the same videos get recommended, in different formats 07:36 <@Dolemite> Heh, speaking of bloated 09:38 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jofaqwekqtweoxvh] has joined #se2600 09:43 <@dasunt> I'm reading about this Venmo public transactions by default, and I'm a little amazed that drug dealers take anything other than cash. 09:45 <@Corydon76> Cash is only possible because people don't bother recording serial numbers. If they did, it would be just as trackable as any other currency 09:45 < aestetix> Corydon76: well, banks do 09:46 <@Dagmar> Go back to watching Alex Jones already 09:46 <@Corydon76> aestetix: only when exchanging with central banks 09:46 <@Corydon76> When a bank receives a deposit, and then pays out that same cash when someone makes a withdrawal, there's no recording of serial numbers 09:47 <@Corydon76> It's only when they transfer cash to the Federal Reserve, typically for destruction, that serial numbers are recorded. 09:48 < xray> Anyone know where to buy bulk surplus electronic parts. Like a bag of various potentiometers or switches for $5 or $10 dollars. I bought some new potentiometers the other day and they were $10 each. I'll go broke building projects at that price. 09:50 < xray> This place looks promising http://www.bgmicro.com 09:50 < PigBot> BGMicro Electronics - Parts, Kits, Projects, Surplus, DIY, Hobby (at www.bgmicro.com) http://tinyurl.com/yaxtt6mj 09:52 < aestetix> Corydon76: oh interesting, I always thought they ran the cash through some kind of machine that scanned the serial numbers 09:52 < xray> Corydon76: I assumed that as well 09:53 <@Corydon76> Nope. In most cases, recording serial numbers is still a very manual process. 09:53 <@Corydon76> The Fed has it easier with new bills, since they can just grab the first and last of a series of new bills. 09:55 <@Corydon76> The problem with scanning them is that bills, when they're destined for destruction and replacement, are frequently in a state where they could jam a machine or otherwise be unreadable in an automated fashion 09:55 <@Corydon76> It's the whole reason they're being replaced: they're damaged. 10:05 <@eryc> xray: i've gotten boxes of various caps and resistors from amazon, and other bulk stuff from aliexpress 10:13 <@dasunt> Anyways, bills seem preferrable to Venmo when doing illegal deals, at least to me, but IANA drug dealer. 10:14 <@Corydon76> dasunt: better yet, steal an identity before using Venmo, use the stolen identity, cash out at a bank, and drop the identity when it's convenient to do so 10:15 <@dasunt> Banks tend to have cameras. 10:16 <@Corydon76> Criminals have figured out a way around that, too: either use a straw man to do the transaction or use a bank card to purchase a prepaid Visa at a convenience store 10:17 <@Corydon76> Heck, you can show up to an ATM with a mask on, and the camera system won't help. 10:18 <@Corydon76> They're not designed to shut down when they can't recognize the owner of the card. 10:23 <@dasunt> True. 10:24 <@dasunt> Oh, speaking of criminal behavior, I've seen multiple people post about that 3D gun plan being released. I can't see the outrage. Plans have been available for years elsewhere, and it's a single shot gun made out of ABS. 10:31 <@Corydon76> The only reason the plaintiff was targeted was because he made the plans available to foreign countries under arms embargo 10:32 < xray> It also means he can publish the plans for the Ghost Gunner to make AR15 lower receivers. 10:33 < xray> https://ghostgunner.net/ 10:33 < PigBot> Ghost Gunner (at ghostgunner.net) http://tinyurl.com/pbxhc8h 10:42 <@oddball> dasunt: There was a lawsuit that just wrapped up over it. The government tried to claim that the plans for the Liberator (the first 3D printed gun) fell under ITAR, and forced the guy who posted it to take it down. 10:43 <@oddball> Nevermind that there's been plans on how to build honest to god machine guns with stuff that you can buy at Home Depot. 10:45 <@oddball> xray: I'm curious to see how the ghost gunner 3D printer shakes out legally. The ATF has ruled in the past that you setting everything up and letting someone else push the button still makes you a manufacturer. 10:45 <@oddball> I'm curious how they'll rule on "you can order this box that's already programmed to do the thing." 10:52 < xray> My understanding is that the Ghost Gunner is a desktop programmable CNC machine. 10:53 < xray> So it can be programmed to make things other that gun parts. 10:53 <@oddball> That comes programmed out of the box to CNC an AR lower. 10:53 <@oddball> Right 10:53 < xray> Not sure about that. Checking now. 10:53 < xray> From the web site Ghost Gunner is a general purpose CNC mill, built upon a large body of open source work, grbl g-code motion control, and popular microcontrollers. 10:54 <@oddball> At least, that's what it was supposed to be initially. 10:54 < xray> Ghost Gunner is specially designed to manufacture a growing library of mil-spec 80 percent lowers to completion. With simple tools and point and click software, the machine automatically finds and aligns to your 80% lower to get to work. No prior CNC knowledge or experience is required to manufacture from design files. Legally manufacture unseriali 10:54 < xray> zed rifles and pistols in the comfort and privacy of home. 10:54 < xray> From the web page 10:54 <@oddball> Ah, ok. When they were still in pre-order, they were saying that it was going to come programmed to cut AR lowers. 10:54 <@oddball> But that was a couple years ago. 10:55 <@oddball> Since it was the same guy that came up with the Liberator plans, his lawyer may have told him "uh... dude?" 10:55 < xray> Apparently they start shipping Q4 2018 10:56 <@oddball> There's actually a decent sized community of folks that have been 3D printing guns. Pretty sure that he got hit, but no one else did because he started with the political grand standing. 10:57 <@oddball> Up to and including naming his gun "the Liberator." 10:59 <@oddball> aestetix: If you don't know, there was a single shot pistol made in WWII called the Liberator. The idea was to get them to the resistance, and the resistance would use them to shoot lone German sentries and steal their guns. 11:00 < aestetix> How does a 3d printed gun handle the combustion of a shot being fired? 11:00 < aestetix> seems like the plastic would melt or shatter 11:02 <@oddball> The ones that are near 100% 3D printed don't survive high round counts. 11:03 <@oddball> There have been a couple brave souls that have printed and shot guns in large pistol calibers, like .357mag, but most are designed around weak cartridges like .22lr. 11:05 <@oddball> Honestly, since there aren't many rapid fire designs out there, the plastic can cool down and handle .22lr, etc just fine. And rifling in the barrel is gone pretty quickly, though. 11:05 <@oddball> I am aware of a couple revolver designs, though. 11:05 < aestetix> huh 11:06 < aestetix> I guess 3d printing has gotten a lot stronger over the years 11:06 <@oddball> It's more of .22lr is a sufficiently weak round. 11:06 <@dasunt> oddball: Home depot machine gun plans? Link please? 11:06 < aestetix> oddball: how does that work with the law? 11:07 < aestetix> Since I assume a 3d gun doesn't have a serial number 11:07 <@oddball> dasunt: I'd have to google them at this point, but they're out there. 11:07 <@dasunt> oddball: My argument against the "Liberator" panic is that $20 at Home Depot makes a much better gun with minimum knowledge. 11:08 <@dasunt> (e.g. a zip gun) 11:08 <@oddball> aestetix: In most states, you can build your own gun for your own use without a serial number or reporting it to the government. 11:08 < aestetix> wow 11:08 <@oddball> dasunt: Hell, zip guns are cheaper than that. :p 11:09 <@Corydon76> Yep, it only needs a license if you intend to sell it. 11:09 <@oddball> aestetix: For clarification, I'm not talking about "I bought all the parts and put them together." There has to be milling, stamping, etc involved. 11:09 < aestetix> So 2A enthusiasts must love 3d printing 11:09 <@oddball> It's something that has their interest. 11:10 <@Corydon76> It's similar to electrical or plumbing work in Tennessee. As a home owner, I can work on my own electrical boxes or plumbing, as long as my work conforms to Code... but if I want to go out and do that work for hire, THEN I need a license. 11:10 < aestetix> oddball: well I'm thinking you could download specs off thingaverse or whatever and print out the parts 11:10 <@oddball> And there's been a lot of folks that have 3D printed AR lower recievers (legally speaking, the actual gun), and built the rest with off the shelf parts. 11:10 <@dasunt> oddball: I was estimating, since "improvised gun" is something I don't want to fire. 11:10 <@oddball> Because the AR's lower reciever doesn't have to deal with much stress/heat, it works fine. 11:11 <@oddball> dasunt: You mean, you like having fingers? :p 11:11 <@oddball> I did a presentation on this at Phreaknic a couple years ago. 11:12 <@oddball> Here's a home made Sten gun. https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/08/12/diy-sten-gun/ 11:12 < PigBot> DIY Sten Gun - The Firearm BlogThe Firearm Blog (at www.thefirearmblog.com) http://tinyurl.com/y82dvcuj 11:12 <@Corydon76> I'm sure there's a way to fire it safely. It might involve a long arm Kevlar glove and a plate of Plexiglass... 11:13 <@oddball> And since it's an open bolt design, the only difference between "non-firing," and "firing" is a roofing nail cut down and welded onto the bolt. 11:13 <@oddball> Corydon76: The standard is a bench vice and a string. 11:14 <@Corydon76> Heh 11:14 <@dasunt> oddball: I love having fingers. 11:14 <@oddball> You pull the trigger with the string from a safe position. 11:14 <@dasunt> oddball: See, I don't need all my fingers to count to 10, but I like having that option just in case. 11:14 <@oddball> Remember that building a machine gun is actually easier than building a semi-auto. 11:14 <@Corydon76> I was thinking the platform to which the vise is attached should probably also be somewhat fireproof 11:15 <@oddball> meh, not necessary. 11:15 <@Corydon76> Or at least resistant to flying shrapnel 11:15 <@oddball> Now that is a concern. 11:16 <@Corydon76> I have to remind myself that MDF is not nearly as flammable as I might otherwise worry about 11:16 <@Corydon76> Despite being made of sawdust and binder 11:17 <@oddball> and that there isn't that much gunpowder in even larger rounds. 11:17 <@dasunt> I was repairing some siding this weekend. I wish the replacement stuff was as good as MDF. 11:18 <@Corydon76> dasunt: I'm sure it could be, as long as you're attaching the siding to MDF with industrial glue 11:18 <@dasunt> Wouldn't match up with what I have. 11:18 <@Corydon76> It didn't look like it matched anyway 11:18 <@dasunt> It did, except for the color. 11:19 <@Corydon76> What was the underlayment? 11:19 <@dasunt> There may be 1/16th of an inch difference in thickness, but it's close enough. 11:19 <@dasunt> They didn't believe in underlayment. 11:20 <@dasunt> I was expecting tar paper or something, due to the age of the structure, but nope. Nada. Zip. The sheathing is some sort of fiberboard that doesn't seem as dense as MDF. 11:20 <@Corydon76> Ugh 11:20 <@dasunt> I suspect it is what you'd get if you went to a building supply place c. 1955 or so and asked for the cheapest sheathing possible. 11:20 <@Corydon76> I would have been tempted to rip it all out and put in OSB 11:21 <@oddball> Oh, I guess I should advise everyone that building a machine gun in the US is a major no-no that can send you to pound-me-in-the-ass prison for years. 11:21 <@dasunt> I want to reside the garage and house eventually. 11:22 <@dasunt> But for now, I just want to slap a coat of paint on the garage to prevent further wear and tear. 11:23 <@dasunt> Eventually, fiber cement siding on both the house and garage. I like that stuff. 12:54 <@dasunt> Wait, why are we threatening Iran now? 12:54 * dasunt is out of the loop. 12:59 <@Dolemite> Because there's likely another indictment coming this week? 13:09 <@Corydon76> It's too bad there's nobody in the White House with a Ninja Remote. 13:32 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has joined #se2600 13:32 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimstone] by ChanServ 14:14 <@dasunt> LOL. 14:15 <@dasunt> Two weeks ago, I'm told "you don't need to be concerned about XYZ, since you won't be doing it." 14:15 <@dasunt> Guess what I'm going to be doing this week? 14:15 <@brimstone> Dolemite? 14:15 <@dasunt> Is that an alternative option? 14:16 <@brimstone> today and today only 14:16 <@brimstone> maybe tomorrow too 14:16 <@dasunt> Damn. Nope, need a way to get out of this for the next few weeks. 14:41 <@Dagmar> West Nile 15:31 -!- crashcartpro [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wsqwtmxkvsysceli] has joined #se2600 15:40 < aestetix> http://rawvox.com/us/furries-allowed-as-emotional-support-animals-on-domestic-flights-says-faa/ 15:40 < PigBot> Furries Allowed as Emotional Support Animals on Domestic Flights, Says FAA (at rawvox.com) http://tinyurl.com/yahdtjut 15:43 < xray> oh that is really weird. I just finished reading that 15:52 < xray> https://learn.adafruit.com/circuit-playground-express-con-badge?view=all 15:52 < PigBot> Overview | Con Badge with Circuit Playground Express | Adafruit Learning System (at learn.adafruit.com) http://tinyurl.com/y9tpg8m6 15:53 <@brimstone> neat 15:54 <@brimstone> the circuit playground supports i²c, right? 15:55 <@brimstone> it could support some shitty badge add-ons then 15:55 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:55 < xray> yes 15:57 <@brimstone> have you been following that… project? https://hackaday.io/project/52950-defcon-26-shitty-add-ons 15:57 < PigBot> Defcon 26 Shitty Add-Ons | Hackaday.io (at hackaday.io) http://tinyurl.com/y7adu6c5 15:57 < xray> yes 15:58 <@brimstone> https://www.tindie.com/browse/electronic-badges/ 15:58 < PigBot> Electronic Badges on Tindie (at www.tindie.com) http://tinyurl.com/yb3mg4wr 15:59 -!- K`Tetch [~no@47.39.211.239] has joined #se2600 15:59 -!- K`Tetch [~no@47.39.211.239] has quit [Changing host] 15:59 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has joined #se2600 16:36 <@dasunt> Wooeeee, I have a screwed up insurance bill! 16:37 <@dasunt> Somehow, online, it shows I owe $20. 16:37 <@dasunt> Called them, and they said no, but that it may be XYZ Hospital that billed me instead. 16:37 <@dasunt> Called XYZ Hospital, and their billing department left me on hold for 10 minutes then told me to leave a message. 16:44 <@dasunt> LOL, found the PDF for the bill, which says go to https://myhospitalssuckywebsite.com and make a payment there. Which wants a code. Which isn't on the bill. 16:44 < PigBot> openDCIM Data Center Inventory (at myhospitalssuckywebsite.com login/password dcim/dcim) http://tinyurl.com/ybk2b2fm 16:45 <@brimstone> https://myhospitalssuckywebsite.com 16:45 < PigBot> openDCIM Data Center Inventory (at myhospitalssuckywebsite.com login/password dcim/dcim) http://tinyurl.com/ybk2b2fm 16:45 <@brimstone> err, huh 16:47 <@dasunt> LOL. 16:48 <@Evilpig> lol 16:48 <@Evilpig> cause I have a wildcard in my search path 16:48 <@Evilpig> so fake domains hit something here 16:55 <@dasunt> Okay, got through to XYZ Hospital, and they claim I owe them nothing. 16:55 <@dasunt> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 18:15 < xray> I had a similar issue with a hospital here. 18:16 < xray> The online bill site said I owed $14,00.00+ but my insurance company said I didn't owe anything. 18:16 < xray> I contacted the hospital billing department and gave them the billing information from the web site and they said they couldn't find the bill and that I didn't owe anything. 18:17 < xray> I went through lots of trouble to try to contact someone to get the web billing site fixed. 18:17 < xray> Bottom line, the billing site is a third party service used by the hospital and the have "no control" over the site. 18:18 < xray> I was worried the bill would go to collections if left unpaid but the hospital assured me it would not. 18:18 < xray> So far the bill is still outstanding and no one at the hospital or billing site is complaining. 18:21 < xray> I pointed out to the hospital that it was a problem if patients couldn't trust that a bill on the site was legitimate and they might want to fix it. I got nowhere. 18:21 < xray> that was $1,400.00 18:21 < xray> typo with the comma 18:28 <@brimstone> you'll find out in 6 to 8 months if you owe anything 18:46 < xray> It has been 7 months 20:15 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jofaqwekqtweoxvh] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20:16 < K`Tetch> record ALL CALLS --- Log closed Tue Jul 24 00:00:41 2018