--- Log opened Thu Jul 19 00:00:34 2018 00:29 -!- HackMaster__ [uid45710@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rstrkshygpnsdyxx] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:29 -!- HackMaster___ [uid45710@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rtztzyttukbuqdzs] has joined #se2600 00:57 -!- oddball [~oddball@h96-61-175-66.lvrgtn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:53 -!- oddball [~oddball@h75-100-239-231.lvrgtn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has joined #se2600 06:22 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 07:42 * dfused hugs @Dolemite 07:51 * Shadow404 hugs dfused 07:56 <@dasunt> Someone needs to make a meme where one half is "what people think about when they hear Russians hacked the election" and show some hoodie-clothed guy over a green CRT changing the voting total to +1,000,000 for Trump, versus "what the Russians are accused of" and shows two dossiers, one with dirt on Trump, one with dirt on Clinton, and the Russians keeping one and giving away the other. 09:20 <@rhia> dasunt, yep 09:30 < xray> I installed a Java updated yesterday and it popped up a warning that as of Jan 2019, Java will no longer be free and will require buying a license except for personal use 09:31 < xray> So i guess this means we start designing Java out of systems the same way we got rid of Sun equipment after Oracle bought them. 09:33 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvobivpqzyruywer] has joined #se2600 09:34 <@Mirage> what's your guess on replacement? Ruby? Lua? 09:34 * Mirage leans toward ruby. 09:35 < xray> No idea 09:35 <@Mirage> There's always Decius old favorite: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Ook! 09:35 < PigBot> Ook! - Esolang (at esolangs.org) http://tinyurl.com/jbov7q5 09:37 < xray> The real problem will be dealing with thick desktop apps that are Java based. It used to be I could install the latest version of Java for several apps. Now I will have to find a way of dealing with multiple versions of unpatched Java shipped with applications. 09:37 < xray> What will this mean for Java based open source projects like WebGoat. 09:38 < xray> I guess they will have to re-write the app. 09:38 < xray> Go is very portable so it might be a good choice. 09:38 <@Mirage> i'm sure the intention is to be able to monetizeagainst all the enterprise hardware/software with java interfaces. VMware, Cisco, etc 09:39 < xray> That is their plan but it looks like installing the Java run time in a non-personal environment will require a license. 09:40 < xray> Doing a deal with Oracle is like doing a deal with Darth Vader? 09:41 <@Mirage> Yeah..so they not only get $$ from the vendors licensing to use java for their apps, but also all the enterprise clients needing to access those interfces. 09:41 < xray> My other concern is VirtualBox 09:41 < xray> also run by Oracle 09:41 <@Corydon76> Is there a good way to learn web design. I don't mean the mechanics of CSS. That I know pretty well. I'd like to learn how to design things that don't get immediately referred to as ugly. 09:42 <@Mirage> Corydon76: but you're gay...you should be exuding style in everything you do according to all the stereotypes 09:42 <@Mirage> =) 09:42 <@Corydon76> lol 09:43 <@Corydon76> Here is where I should point out that I'm bisexual, and that clearly means I have all the design prowess of a fratboy. 09:43 < xray> Web design is part coder and part graphics artist. 09:43 < xray> I have no idea how to learn the art side. 09:44 < xray> I suspect it is like learning any other skill 09:44 <@Corydon76> xray: Throw shit against a wall and see what sticks? 09:45 < xray> HCI (Human Computer Interface) is the study of building interfaces that are intuitive to learn. 09:46 < xray> You might look into HCI classes 09:46 <@Corydon76> Even a set of basic rules might be helpful. I was realizing this when I was looking at McMansion hell and realizing I had no idea why the author thought those houses were ugly. 09:47 < xray> I know there are rules for complimentary colors and using the tag is considered a no no. 09:48 <@Corydon76> I believe the blink tag was removed in HTML.... 4, I think 09:48 <@Corydon76> Removed from the standard and likely no longer implemented. 09:48 < xray> Is there a local web app dev group that meets in your area? If so you could talk to people there for ideas. 09:49 <@Mirage> Don't forget neon colors, rainbows, gitter, unicorns, kittens, etc (or just anything you'd have normally seen on GeoCities sites) 09:49 < xray> LoL 09:49 <@Corydon76> Mirage: yeah, those sites I definitely know were ugly 09:49 <@Mirage> Just do like everyone else..learn Wordpress and just use canned templates. 09:52 <@Mirage> on a separate note..i'm gonna guess there's a new botnet up because my inbound spam has increase by ~2000% in the past 3-4 days 09:52 < xray> yes 09:53 < xray> maybe this one https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/router-crapfest-malware-author-builds-18-000-strong-botnet-in-a-day/ 09:53 < PigBot> Router Crapfest: Malware Author Builds 18,000-Strong Botnet in a Day (at www.bleepingcomputer.com) http://tinyurl.com/y8c8k82p 09:53 <@Mirage> NOt a problem once dspam gets trained for them, but it was pretty weird for me to get 30+ in my inbox in one day. normally it's unusual to get more that 1-2 every few days 09:55 <@Mirage> dspam graph shows the spike hit on the 16th. 09:57 <@Mirage> The disturbing part to me is that most of them all actually have my name instead of just my email address. not sure who they got the info from, but it obviously wasn't one of the places i deemed worthy of a @ email addresses. 09:58 <@Mirage> my aliases list is moderately extensive 09:59 < xray> I use a lot of throw away email addresses as well. One of the benefits of having your own domain. 10:20 < Shadow404> heh, i do the same exact thing with my domain and alias' 10:22 < Shadow404> great for sites that force you to confirm an email address for no other reason than to send spam 10:22 <@Mirage> exactly 10:22 < Shadow404> create, confirm, delete 10:23 <@Mirage> for me it's create/confirm/update alias to funnel directly into spam filter 10:24 <@Mirage> Overall accuracy (since last reset) 98.656% (SPAM messages caught + Good messages delivered) / Total number of messages 10:24 <@Mirage> Spam identification (since last reset) 97.441% (Spam catch rate only) 10:24 <@Mirage> Spam ratio (of total processed) 59.576% Total SPAM messages (both caught & missed) / Total number of messages 10:25 <@Mirage> overall i've been very happy with dspam over the years 11:21 <@dasunt> LOL, I read something that was about George Washington being gay because he helped design the army uniforms or something. 11:43 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@47.39.211.239] has joined #se2600 11:46 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:50 -!- K`Tetch [~no@47.39.211.239] has joined #se2600 11:50 -!- K`Tetch [~no@47.39.211.239] has quit [Changing host] 11:50 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has joined #se2600 11:53 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@47.39.211.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:44 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@47.39.211.239] has joined #se2600 13:46 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:46 -!- K`Tetch [~no@47.39.211.239] has joined #se2600 13:46 -!- K`Tetch [~no@47.39.211.239] has quit [Changing host] 13:46 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has joined #se2600 13:50 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@47.39.211.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:51 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:52 -!- K`Tetch [~no@47.39.211.239] has joined #se2600 13:52 -!- K`Tetch [~no@47.39.211.239] has quit [Changing host] 13:52 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has joined #se2600 13:55 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@47.39.211.239] has joined #se2600 13:57 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:59 -!- K`Tetch [~no@47.39.211.239] has joined #se2600 13:59 -!- K`Tetch [~no@47.39.211.239] has quit [Changing host] 13:59 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has joined #se2600 13:59 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@47.39.211.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:21 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:36 -!- K`Tetch [no@75-137-153-73.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com] has joined #se2600 14:36 -!- K`Tetch [no@75-137-153-73.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com] has quit [Changing host] 14:36 -!- K`Tetch [no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has joined #se2600 14:40 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@47.39.211.239] has joined #se2600 14:43 -!- K`Tetch [no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:20 <@opticron> lol, the phreaknic fake receipt confirmation page is amazing 15:28 <@dasunt> Link? 15:41 <@Corydon76> opticron: you mean ticket.phreaknic.info ? 15:42 <@Corydon76> Or something else? 15:47 <@Mirage> Moron India person IM to me: "Hey, the customer is complaining about the wrong version of .NET being installed on their windows server. What's the difference? How do I fix it?" 15:48 <@Mirage> Me: As I'm not a Windows admin, I'm not sure about the differences, but I cn assure you that neither of them install and run on RHEL. 15:49 <@Mirage> Unfortunately the level of being a complete ass to them likely required to get through them would also be about the right amount required to get me fired. 15:53 <@opticron> Corydon76, just upon doing prereg 15:53 <@Corydon76> Eventbrite? 15:54 <@Corydon76> I'm not involved this year; I was only involved with ticketing last year. 15:54 <@Corydon76> And I can't attend, as I have a scheduling conflict. 15:54 <@opticron> busyconf receipt 15:55 <@opticron> Corydon76, ^^ 15:55 <@Corydon76> Ah 16:03 < aestetix> https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/congratulations-zuckerberg-call-trump-election-2016 16:03 < PigBot> Congratulations, Mr. President: Zuckerberg Secretly Called Trump After The Election (at www.buzzfeednews.com) http://tinyurl.com/y9c5kcvq 17:01 -!- K`Tetch [~no@47.39.211.239] has joined #se2600 17:01 -!- K`Tetch [~no@47.39.211.239] has quit [Changing host] 17:01 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has joined #se2600 17:04 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@47.39.211.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:06 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: @ezelkow1 19:07 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: @Corydon76, K4k, @dasunt, ^020d 19:10 -!- Imgur[m] [nebimgurma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-usxoyctjkjabruaz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:15 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @Corydon76, ^020d, K4k, @dasunt 19:50 -!- ezelkow1[m] [ezelkow1ma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-ulvzzureaskwdgjp] has joined #se2600 20:05 -!- Imgur[m] [nebimgurma@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-zcoyrmeohkbdgfzz] has joined #se2600 20:45 -!- Imgur[m] is now known as M_neb_imgur[m] 20:45 -!- M_neb_imgur[m] is now known as Imgur[m] 22:19 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvobivpqzyruywer] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] --- Log closed Fri Jul 20 00:00:35 2018