--- Log opened Tue Jul 17 00:00:31 2018
01:49 < aestetix> sigh
01:49 < aestetix> I remember watching Schindler's list when it came out
01:49 < aestetix> and there was a scene.... I asked "why is it snowing"?
01:49 < aestetix> and I was told "that isn't snow"
01:50 < aestetix> man that scene was disturbing
01:50 < aestetix> if you've seen the movie you probably know the scene I mean
04:38 < aestetix> fscinating
04:39 < aestetix> https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html
04:39 < aestetix> trump's approval rating has stayed the same, but his disapproval rating has gone up
04:39 < aestetix> I guess the undecided voters are really important
06:19 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and treasonous h0ez!
06:27  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
06:28 < aestetix> Scott Adams had some interesting things to say about the trump/putin meeting
06:41 <@Dolemite> Oh, no.   They are rebooting Magnum P.I. this Fall.
06:41 <@Dolemite> You can't improve on the perfection of the original series.   Don't even try.
08:44 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: I just got my verbal offer
08:44 <@Dolemite> verbal offer on what?
08:45 <@Dolemite> New position?
09:20 <@Corydon76> Grindr now has a way to send recorded messages.  That's probably what he's talking about.
09:21 <@dasunt> Trump's supporters are hardcore.
09:22 <@dasunt> Also, Scott Adams isn't as smart as he thinks he is.
09:23 <@dasunt> Ugh, vlog.  I'm not that interested in hearing what Scott Adams has to say.
09:24 < aestetix> dasunt: That's great. Got a counter-response to Scott Adams?
09:24 < aestetix> Like, if you can take a given trump debacle, and get a response from scott adams, and then from an intelligent liberal
09:24 < aestetix> that would be fantastic
09:28 <@dasunt> aestetix: Yes.  Vlogs are stupid.
09:28 <@dasunt> That's my response.  :)
09:28 < aestetix> ....
09:28 < aestetix> Ok, let me rephrase the question. Is there anyone you recommend following who is smarter than scott adams?
09:29 <@dasunt> Generally, I just prefer reading a wide range of news sources.
09:30 < aestetix> Which includes?
09:30 <@dasunt> The Hill, Economist, BBC News (need my brexit trainwreck fix), some Christian Science Monitor, etc.
09:31 < aestetix> I mean, if I'm pressed for the same question, which is basically "can you give a left-wing intellectual?" I'm hard pressed as well, which is why I'm asking. I'm certain they must exist.
09:31 <@dasunt> I thought the MSM was all liberal.  ;)
09:31 < aestetix> or pundit maybe. I'm not sure that scott adams is really an intellectual
09:32 < aestetix> yeah, and the MSM is a bunch of nonsense with "racism" and "sexism" filling in the blanks
09:32 <@dasunt> MSM is just a vague term.
09:32 <@dasunt> Fox is MSM.  So is CNN.
09:33 < aestetix> I'd say the closest to a classic liberal/conserative debate/commentary on political events I know of is the Brooks and Shields discussion on NPR Newshour every friday
09:35 <@dasunt> I really like NPR, but I don't think our media, at this point, is really supporting really deep analysis.
09:35 < aestetix> dasunt: yeah, I agree
09:35 < aestetix> Which is why I'm asking about the vlogging stuff
09:35 < aestetix> actually I'll name a left wing intellectual I like: Bret Weinstein
09:36 <@dasunt> At the most, you may get a well researched 10 page story.  Which ain't bad.
09:36 < aestetix> And his wife Heather Heying is brilliant as well
09:36 <@dasunt> Huh.  I googled, and Reddit says Thomas Frank and Lawrence Lessig for the left, while Yuval Levin and Arthur Brooks on the right.
09:37 < aestetix> I do not know of thomas frank, thanks
09:37 <@dasunt> Also Paul Krugman.
09:37 < aestetix> Eh, I don't actually think paul krugman is that smart
09:38 < aestetix> I stopped reading his columns because they got irritating to me
09:38 <@dasunt> Other names are Cornel West, Slavoj Zizek.
09:39 < aestetix> Cornell West is one of my favorites.
09:39 < aestetix> Zizek is a fucking moron.
09:39 < aestetix> Like, Cornell West is the reason I can't completely dismiss socialism :p
09:39 <@dasunt> LOL.
09:40 < aestetix> I'm serious. Have you listened to any of his speeches?
09:40 < aestetix> Every one of them gives you like a month of homework
09:40 <@dasunt> Someone should make the balanced reading list - general publications on both the left and right to get an idea of the respective zeitgeists, and then more indepth analysis by thinkers on both sides.
09:41 < aestetix> that's a great idea
09:43 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxGLL0yuBYs
09:47  * dasunt needs to script more.
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10:13 < TheDukh_> anyone ever heard about having to do a deposit for a surgery?
10:14 <@Dolemite> yep
10:16 < aestetix> jesus
10:17 <@Evilpig> I have for cosmetic surgery
10:17 < aestetix> well cosmetic surgery ok
10:18 <@Corydon76> Yes, for lifesaving surgery
10:19 <@Corydon76> When my gallbladder had to be taken out, because the tissue was gangrenous, the surgeon wanted my deductible up front.
10:19 <@Corydon76> (In actuality, as I had just spent the weekend in the hospital, my deductible was already exhausted, but the records weren't updated yet.)
10:20 < aestetix> What the hell is the point of paying for health insurance if they don't cover a surgery
10:20 <@Corydon76> You do understand that we have to pay a deductible, first, right?
10:20 <@Corydon76> In my case, it was $4,000 for the year.
10:21 < aestetix> Corydon76: the longer I'm out of the US, the less sense the health care system there makes to me.
10:22 <@Corydon76> Have to contribute that entire amount before insurance pays a penny.  However, since you have insurance, that $4,000 is a negotiated amount, because insurance wants you to get to that amount as slowly as possible
10:22 <@Corydon76> So the $30,000 hospital bill is negotiated down to $6,000, and insurance pays $2,000 of that, basically
10:23 < aestetix> Which means you need to come up with $4,000 for a surgery you have to get.
10:23 < aestetix> As in, have no choice.
10:23 <@Corydon76> Or, if it's not $4,000, but say a doctor bill for $300, insurance negotiates it down to $129, and you pay that lower amount
10:24 <@Corydon76> Yes, but that's the total amount I have to pay for all medical care throughout the year, after my premiums
10:24 < aestetix> Like if there were a base method that were covered, and extras you could buy, that would make sense.
10:24 <@Corydon76> The idea is to make the amount so high that you're restrained from medical service unless you need it, but you're still covered for life threatening illness
10:25 <@Corydon76> Otherwise, you have people going to the ER for a bandaid
10:25 < aestetix> And is "life threatening" defined by the doctor or by the insurance company?
10:25 <@Corydon76> It's defined by the doctor
10:26 <@Corydon76> But the doctor also has to express that in writing to the insurance company to get paid
10:26 < aestetix> I can say from personal experience in the US that that is not true.
10:26 <@Corydon76> aestetix: your experience is prior to the enactment of the ACA.
10:27 <@Corydon76> ACA changed a ton of stuff
10:28 <@Corydon76> Of course, you might also have had a shitty doctor who didn't write down how life threatening your condition was
10:28 <@Corydon76> Or you might simply be mistaken about how life-threatening your condition was
10:28 < aestetix> Or an insurance company that lied over and over again.
10:28 < aestetix> Or "lost" my documents.
10:29 < aestetix> Or refused to process them because of a procedural trap.
10:29 <@Corydon76> I don't deny that the insurance company administrators are often incompetent.  However, I've never had the occasion where they were actively malevolent
10:29 < aestetix> I have.
10:29 <@Corydon76> Which insurance company was this?
10:30 < aestetix> Aetna.
10:30 <@Corydon76> They're pretty good to me, now.
10:30 < aestetix> They have a bunch of arrangements with the state of california to basically fuck you over .
10:30 <@Corydon76> But they do have some mind-numbingly incompetent administrators and brain dead forms
10:32 <@Corydon76> When it came to one of the medications I'm on, I had to navigate their bureaucracy to figure out why I was getting initially denied.  Figured out they had a confusing question on a form, conveyed the "right" answer to my doctor's paperwork specialists, and it got squared away
10:32 < aestetix> Oh yes, they have that too.
10:32 < aestetix> I recall one incident where I got assigned to a case worker who was a fucking idiot, was angry all the time, and when I corrected her on policy points, she insisted I was wrong.
10:33 < aestetix> This after being on hold for two hours.
10:33 <@Corydon76> Came down to a question about a test for which they had the results and could have verified my eligibility, but instead, they decided one of the questions on the form disqualified me
10:33 < aestetix> I won't go into specifics, but I also had someone outright lie to me about an option I was looking at.
10:34 < aestetix> That was a very, very costly lie. And I'm pretty sure they knew it.
10:34 <@Corydon76> That's when you tell them the call is being recorded.
10:34 <@Corydon76> And you're going to review it with the state attorney general
10:39 <@dasunt> Every time I deal with insurance and healthcare, I become a socialist.
10:39 < aestetix> dasunt: same.
10:40 < aestetix> Which is why it's funny to be called a libertarian. My experience with socialized health care in Germany has been amazing.
10:41 < aestetix> The best part is that Germans complain about their health coverage and say it's better in other countries.
10:48 <@Corydon76> Everybody who has any coverage at all complains about it.
10:49 <@Corydon76> Oh, and another complaint about Aetna:  their website is utterly useless
10:53 <@dasunt> Our healthcare system is the dumbest thing to apply capitalism to.
10:53 <@dasunt> First, because it's pay after the procedure/whatever.
10:53 <@dasunt> Second, it's frequently a confusopoly.
10:53 <@dasunt> Third, it can also be a monopoly (e.g. closest ER to your home - there's only one).
10:54 < aestetix> dasunt: don't forget about different prices for different people.
10:54 <@Corydon76> dasunt: It's not the dumbest thing.  Dumbest thing is private prisons.
10:55 <@dasunt> Shit, can you imagine this for auto repair?  Send your car in, the mechanic does the work, and a few weeks later you get the bill.
10:55 <@dasunt> Corydon76: What?  Is it wrong to send people to prison for punishment/reform if the prison has an incentive for them to commit future crimes?
10:55 <@Corydon76> Yes, let's let a company which profits off human misery lobby state legislatures to keep nonviolent offenders locked up
10:56 < aestetix> I agree with Corydon76 on this.
10:59 <@Corydon76> dasunt: and yes, that, too
11:33 <@dasunt> Okay, much better.  Took about an hour and did some quick & dirty scripts for a lot of these install tasks.
11:36 <@dasunt> The scripting will win no awards, but it allows me to churn out a new PC in about 5 minutes.
11:49 <@Mirage> ewww.. https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=33.01983903100046&lon=-96.69888977299968
13:39 < aestetix> ok, trump might finally have his aleppo moment
13:39 < aestetix> I'll be very interested to see if he can shake this one off
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15:29 < xray> Maybe there is hope for gig fiber in Nashville https://www.techspot.com/news/75514-fcc-proposal-could-streamline-installation-new-fiber-internet.html
15:40 <@Corydon76> It's too bad that a bunch of different cities surrounding Nashville can't negotiate with Google and get fiber installed prior to when Nashville is ready.  I rather suspect having a huge bunch of different cities pushing it through will make AT&T and Comcast lawyers miss the ability to stop all of them.
15:41 <@Corydon76> And once one town gets it and shows that ATT and Comcast's concerns were overstated, the rest of the cities, including Nashville, should be able to get it done with minimal interference from the courts.
15:41 <@Mirage> Corydon76: I think you're underestimating how many lawyers they have and how much money they're willing to waste to keep their monopoly on pole use, etc
15:42 <@Corydon76> Mirage: Maybe.  But if just one town slips through their notice, that's it for them.
15:43 <@Corydon76> And if it means that suddenly everybody wants to go live in that town, and property values skyrocket, how is that bad for the town?
15:43 <@Mirage> Berry Hill should take up the torch and start it off.
15:44 <@Corydon76> I was thinking Springfield
15:44 <@Mirage> Though I don't know that they actually have rights to be able to control any of that.
15:44 < K`Tetch_> Google's stopped with fiber, they're going wireless only with new hear
15:44 < K`Tetch_> the problem is the lack of 'one touch make ready'
15:45 <@Corydon76> The thing about Springfield is that the city owns the poles
15:45 < K`Tetch_> it's not a question of the poles, its a question of the wires ON the poles
15:45 <@Corydon76> Unlike in Nashville, where NES owns the poles
15:46 <@Corydon76> Yes, but the wires on the poles have to conform to the wishes of the pole owner
15:46 < K`Tetch_> right now, most plaes, to move wires on a city pole with say, charter and at+t wires on, they have to contact those two companies, who each have to send a person out when it's convenient for them, to move their own wires out the way
15:46 < K`Tetch_> one touch make ready means that the new company can hire a licesed+bonded person, and move ALL the wires and install the ones ones, in one visit
15:47 < K`Tetch_> oh, the existing system does conform to the wishes, but the city's not going to take rseponsibility for moving another company's wires if it doesn't have to
15:47 < K`Tetch_> and legally, at present, they can't say 'sure NewISP, you can go move around and screw with comcast's wires on this pole!
15:48 < K`Tetch_> i've not seen a single pole access agreement yett hat allows the pole owner that kind of power
15:49 < K`Tetch_> so, at present, the existing companies can roll each pole access request seperately, and take months to get aroudn to it
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16:29 <@Dagmar> It's not like they don't all do it anyway
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16:33 < K`Tetch> grrrrr, stupid charter.
16:33 < K`Tetch> don't suppose anyone knows of manual ipv6 settings for spectrum?
16:33 <@dasunt> Why can't the pole access agreement allow the owner to set a reasonable amount of time?
16:34 < K`Tetch> because the companies using the poles don't want that
16:34 < K`Tetch> hence the HUGE lobbying against 1TMR
16:34 < K`Tetch> it significantly impacts their incumbency status
16:36 < K`Tetch> https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20171101/10474538530/att-backs-off-nuisance-lawsuit-intended-to-hamstring-broadband-competitors-like-google-fiber.shtml
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16:38 < K`Tetch_> this is driving me nuts!
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16:55 <@dasunt> I know that joke!
17:09 < K`Tetch_> ?
17:19 <@dasunt> "...driving me nuts"
17:19 <@dasunt> Pirate, ship's wheel, y'know.
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18:32 < K`Tetch_> ah right, dasunt
18:32 < K`Tetch_> sorry, my internet's playing hell atm, and i can't seem to log into the modem now either. and i have no ipv6 access, i'm going crazy
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