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06:18 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:19 <@Dolemite> Well.   I'm at work, because to not be, I'd have to take a vacation day.   Also, I have a conference call this afternoon.   However, I'm waiting on others to do some things before I can proceed on my project.   There's both a change freeze this week and a noted absence of most of my coworkers.
06:19 <@Dolemite> Looks like a streaming day.
06:50 <@Evilpig> haha.  about the same here
06:51 <@Evilpig> I have a change at 3pm to change out an ssl cert for ldap that had to happen today at 3 because... reasons?
06:51 <@Evilpig> reasons translates to someone being a douche canoe
06:52 <@Dolemite> Yeah, RedHat has been harassing me since I stopped at their DockerCon booth, so I agreed to a 2 PM call with them today
06:53 <@Dolemite> I told them there's no way I'm spending more money on the Docker project this year
06:54 <@Evilpig> July 1, new year, new money!
07:00 <@Dolemite> That's not our year end
07:28  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:30  * Dolemite explodes with a multi-colored display and farts out the Star Spangled Banner
07:30 <@Dolemite> 'murica!
07:44 <@Corydon76> I see you survived the Second Civil War.
07:51 <@Dolemite> Well, in all fairness
07:51 <@Dolemite> Alex Jones is just hard of hearing
07:51 <@Dolemite> A bunch of Liberals were going to a concert where The Civil Wars was the second act
09:12 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpQQpIOCp_A
09:12 < PigBot> Mr. Methane - Farting Man - Britains Got Talent 2009 Ep 5 (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/mbuuecb
09:13 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFLw8aH-M2w better quality
09:13 < PigBot> Mr Methane - Britain's Got Talent - Show 5 (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/mqaky7e
09:22 <@Dolemite> Yes, because HD is a necessity for watching a man fart into a microphone
09:23 < aestetix> To music.
09:25 <@Dolemite> 1812 Overture would have been a better selection
09:27 < aestetix> hahaha
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09:27 < aestetix> I wonder if he could do that while pausing for "breath"
09:35 < aestetix> you know
09:35 < aestetix> http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/395216-the-know-nothing-president-and-the-demise-of-a-major-political-party
09:35 < PigBot> The Know-Nothing president and the demise of a major political party | TheHill (at thehill.com)
09:35 < aestetix> articles like this make me think trump is honestly par for the course
09:40 < aestetix> https://youtu.be/g2mU6IsLSe8
09:40 < PigBot> Motherfucking Bootleg Fireworks (at youtu.be) http://tinyurl.com/y99qshm4
11:28 <@dasunt> aestetix: No, he's not par for the course.
12:20 <@Dolemite> https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/05/europe/donald-trump-baby-trump-uk-intl/index.html
12:20 < PigBot> 'Trump Baby' balloon gets green light from London mayor - CNN (at www.cnn.com) http://tinyurl.com/yaxktxl3
12:23  * dasunt has to remember not to care about doing a good job at work.
12:56 <@dasunt> Looks like 39% of UKians want a soft Brexit, versus 35% who want a hard Brexit (27% are unsure).
12:58 <@dasunt> OTOH, 44% say controlling immigration is more important than free trade, and only 42% disagree with it.
12:58  * dasunt feels relief that other countries are filled with idiot voters as well.
14:08 < aestetix> dasunt: read the article I posted
14:09 < aestetix> maybe not in recent memory, but it appears there have always been rather brutal battles in politics
14:22 < aestetix> so is it just me
14:22 < aestetix> or has the NY Times gone really far leftist
14:22 < aestetix> I already gave up on the Washington Post
14:50 <@dasunt> aestetix: I don't see either being far left.
14:56 <@dasunt> Ooh, Pruitt is out.
14:56 <@Corydon76> Yep
14:57 <@Corydon76> https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/08/trump-spoke-to-scott-pruitt-amid-reports-of-white-house-probe-into-epa-chief.html
14:57 < PigBot> Scott Pruitt resigns as EPA administrator, Trump says (at www.cnbc.com) http://tinyurl.com/y7mngn5j
15:01 <@dasunt> aestetix: Anyways, I'd put the NYT somewhere between HuffPo (mainstream liberal left) and Christian Science Monitor (centrist) for it's lean.  Closer to HuffPo for the opinion section, closer to CSM for mainstream reporting.
15:04 < aestetix> dasunt: I agree
15:04 < aestetix> The issue I have is that I used to think the NYT was centrist
15:04 < aestetix> and it's clearly turning to the left
15:04 <@Corydon76> And closer to Alex Jones for its science reporting
15:04 < aestetix> With the exception of two columnists
15:04 < aestetix> Ross Douthat, and David Brooks (I think)
15:05 <@dasunt> Read CSM.  Or the Economist.
15:05 <@Corydon76> Media outlets aren't anything but desperate, and desperate groups tend to do things that are increasingly on the fringe
15:05 < aestetix> CSM is pretty good
15:05 < aestetix> the WSJ has also maintained dignity
15:05 < aestetix> To the point where I'm debating buying a subscription to it
15:05 <@dasunt> I'm really liking The Hill lately as well.
15:05 < aestetix> Yeah, The Hill seems balanced
15:06 <@dasunt> Although for the most part, I'm okay with bias as long as it doesn't cheat.
15:07 < aestetix> I'm ok with bias as long as it's upfront
15:07 <@Corydon76> Bias is fine, as long as they're still engaged in telling the truth.  It's where a number of outlets seem to have consistent problems.
15:08 <@dasunt> E.g. National Review skews pretty right, but doesn't go out of it's way to selectively report facts.
15:08 < aestetix> I can give an example. A friend of mine was speaking at HOPE about something political, and she asked me how to handle the fact she worked on Rand Paul's campaign
15:08 < aestetix> I suggested she should mention that in the first slide
15:08 < aestetix> She did, and then moved on to the rest of the talk
15:09 < aestetix> dasunt: yep
15:09 <@Corydon76> Good tactic.  Defuse any naysayers early on
15:09 < aestetix> Yeah. Her first (or second, whatever) slide was a phone of her standing next to Rand Paul
15:09 < aestetix> photo*
15:10 < aestetix> I think she said something like "I do have a bias here, but I'm going to do my best to not let it interfere with the talk"
15:10 < aestetix> and everyone seemed happy
15:12 <@dasunt> Bias is fine.  I just don't want things that leave me misinformed.
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15:15 <@dasunt> AKA, Natural News, Zero Hedge, etc.
15:16 < aestetix> yep
15:18 <@Corydon76> Also, anybody who works for an environmental nonprofit and writes an article that just happens to agree with their employer's policy positions is exactly as credible as an industry professional whose piece agrees with their employer's policy positions.
15:18 <@Corydon76> Why media giants are republishing that crap, I have no idea.
15:19 < aestetix> yep
15:19 <@Corydon76> Actually, I have an idea.  It has to do with on what boards the publisher's wife serves.
15:23 < aestetix> and where the money comes from
15:46 <@Mirage> Corydon76: on the nonprofit statement you forgot to mention 'or policy of a generous contributor'...because they don't wanna piss off whoever is funding them.
15:47 <@Corydon76> Mirage: generally, though, those policies are reflected in the organization.
15:48 <@Corydon76> So the contributor gives money either before or after the policy is set, and then the writings reflect that policy.
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