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03:40 < aestetix> the more I think about it
03:40 < aestetix> the more it seems like the natural state of the world is crisis
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06:07 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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07:13  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:56 < aestetix> wow Infowars is just fucking nutty
07:57 < aestetix> I just watched a clip where they are claiming the video of Chris Pratt's speech at MTV was edited by MTV
07:57 < aestetix> And they did not mention the part where they reached out to Chris Pratt for comment, and he confirmed it. Because they didn't, and he didn't.
08:30 <@Corydon76> Alex Jones isn't nutty.  He's a government plant meant to distract us from the truth.
08:31 <@Corydon76> Infowars is itself a government information warfare agent.
08:38 < aestetix> Corydon76: normally I'd agree with that, but it gives the impression the government has its shit together
08:38 < aestetix> Unless you can point to documents to substantiate that claim
08:39 <@Corydon76> I'm sorry, but the evidence has been suppressed by the powers that be.
08:40 < aestetix> lolol
08:40 < aestetix> IE I don't think the government is competent enough to create something like Alex Jones
08:41 <@Corydon76> And I'm sorry if you can't detect the irony in accusing the conspiracy mongers of themselves being the heart of the conspiracy.
08:42 <@Corydon76> The reality is that I believe Alex Jones in his court pleadings that the whole thing is a show put on for the gullible, in order to bring in cold, hard cash, and he's been very successful at that game.
08:42 <@Corydon76> Very little different than faith healers of the 80s
08:52 < aestetix> That is patently obvious
08:53 <@Corydon76> If that were patently obvious, how in the world does he still have listeners, and people who buy his shit?
08:54 <@Corydon76> To the tune that he's able to afford expensive houses, cars, and clothing, and pay a staff?
08:57 < aestetix> Maybe it's from selling his pills :p
08:57 < aestetix> I'm not going to give him money to test them, but I would be unsurprised if they were anything besides flour and sugar
09:07 <@Corydon76> I'm sure the pills are what they say they are -- marked up at least 500% from cost.
09:24 < aestetix> I never actually bothered to look
09:24 < aestetix> maybe they are some vitamin or something
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10:10 < aestetix> https://apnews.com/amp/eade4e6efbf442328b0e1eefabd98f05
10:10 < PigBot> Orlando International Airport to scan faces of US citizens (at apnews.com) http://tinyurl.com/yaavyftj
10:55 < aestetix> ok maybe one of you knows
10:55 < aestetix> does a roku work if it's not online?
10:56 < aestetix> like, if I have a network that's local but no internet
10:57 < xray> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/google-roku-sonos-to-fix-dns-rebinding-attack-vector/
10:57 < PigBot> Google, Roku, Sonos to Fix DNS Rebinding Attack Vector (at www.bleepingcomputer.com) http://tinyurl.com/y72ldbk9
10:57 < xray> not the answer you're looking for but you need to patch as soon as there is a fix for this
10:57 < aestetix> ugh
10:57 < aestetix> ok
10:57 < aestetix> I just notice that sometimes when I have crap internet, the roku is also crap
10:58 < aestetix> I would be really pissed off if it phoned home
10:58 <@oddball>  aestetix: yes, but its capabilities are limited, since damn near everything it does is streaming.
10:59 < aestetix> I use plex mostly
10:59 < aestetix> which does not require internet
10:59 < aestetix> just a local network
10:59 <@oddball> I'm pretty sure I've used it to stream Plex when my internet connection was down.
10:59 < aestetix> also, due to bullshit copyright laws, roku is kind of crippled in germany
10:59 < aestetix> example, there is no amazon prime
11:00 <@oddball> Ah, region shit.
11:00 < aestetix> yeah
11:00 < aestetix> if you create a roku acccount in germany
11:00 < aestetix> there are like 20 apps total
11:00 < aestetix> and they all suck
11:00 < aestetix> I created an american one via a proxy
11:00 < aestetix> and there were hundreds
11:01 < xray> all devices like a Roku are walled gardens of applications and therefore limited by what the designer decided you want to do.
11:01 < xray> I gave up trying to get these kinds of devices to do what I want and just use a laptop
11:01 < xray> It will do everything one of these devices will do and a lot more.
11:02 < xray> In fact it will do what all of them will do combined, and a lot more.
11:03 < xray> Not to mention it is easy for my wife to use because she already knows how to use a computer.
11:03 <@oddball> If you can't figure out how to use a Roku, you're a fucking moron that shouldn't be allowed near a computer.
11:04 < xray> You're looking at this the wrong way.
11:04 < xray> It's not about learning about yet-another-device
11:04 < xray> anyone can do that
11:04 < xray> the question is why you limit yourself to their walled garden
11:05 <@oddball> That's a reasonable argument.
11:05 < xray> My biggest problem with my solution was it's cost
11:05 < xray> I didn't want to spend the money
11:06 < xray> but eventually the price of laptops go so cheap it became a no brainer
11:06 <@oddball> yup.  The reaon I have a Roku is because it was cheap, and it did what I was wanting to do.
11:06 <@oddball> And, well, now I use a Roku device because it was built into my TV.
11:07 < xray> It also annoys me that devices like my so called "smart" TV never gets patches
11:07 < xray> I can patch my laptop
11:08 < xray> IoT == you're going to get pwnd
11:08 <@oddball> Yeah.  That was one of the reasons why I went with a Roku TV instead of other "smart" TVs.  The Roku actually gets patched.
11:08 <@oddball> For how long? We'll see.
11:08 <@ezelkow1> still hoping we can make progress on our labweek project, still pushing for us to do a straight up android tiny box that lets the user install whatever they want from the store
11:08 <@ezelkow1> just happens to come preloaded with the xfinity app, but nothing to stop you from doing anything else
11:08 <@oddball> And, well, good luck finding a decent new TV that doesn't have that feature.
11:09 < xray> what labweek project?
11:09 <@ezelkow1> at work, comcast
11:09 < xray> I've soured on Android
11:09 < xray> due to the patching problem
11:09 <@ezelkow1> did a proof of concept on a cheap box just to prove we could do 4k drm content on a cheap one from our streams
11:09 < xray> if you don't roll your own or buy the device from Google it never gets patched.
11:10 <@ezelkow1> the settop division was not happy with us
11:10 < xray> LoL
11:40 < aestetix> heh
11:40 < aestetix> I do not have a "smart" tv
11:40 < aestetix> the whole idea of a tv having internet access and a camera to spy on me.... I don't like that at all
11:40 < aestetix> I think I will never have one
11:43 < xray> exactly
12:26 <@Evilpig> oddball: I just bought a 4k non-smart tv
12:26 <@oddball> oh really?  Wow
12:26 <@Evilpig> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00W5X1I9C/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
12:26 <@oddball> When I was looking a couple years back, it was... difficult.
12:26 < PigBot> Amazon.com: Sceptre U550CV-UMR 55-Inch 4K Ultra HD MEMC 120 LED UTV 3840 x 2160 - Black: Electronics (at www.amazon.com) http://tinyurl.com/y83bxqap
12:26 < xray> that is a good trick these days
12:27 <@Evilpig> ashley's kid had some issues with the internet, the police.... so a non-smart tv was a must
12:27 <@oddball> "With ROKU Ready"
12:27 <@oddball> what does that mean?
12:27 <@Evilpig> you can plug one of those roku sticks into the MHL port
12:27 <@oddball> ah
12:28 <@Evilpig> I hooked and nvidia shield to it, connected that to plex, locked everything else down
12:28 <@oddball> cool
12:29 <@Evilpig> the shield can power the tv on via cec, but not control the volume which annoyed me.  but otherwise it works fine
13:24 < aestetix> https://www.hope.net/schedule.html
13:24 < PigBot> [The Circle Of HOPE] Schedule  (at www.hope.net) http://tinyurl.com/y75hj6tx
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14:15 <@ezelkow1> you dont want CEC volume control
14:15 <@ezelkow1> its utter shit
14:16 <@ezelkow1> we enabled it on the dish boxes for their whole home audio, the app which was made by DTS could do volume so they wanted us to be able to do it, so we did, but CEC communication is so slow that its very easy to end up with whacky shit happening
14:31 <@Evilpig> ezelkow1: I'm aware of the speed but slow volume response vs a second remote for sound only is preferable
14:33 <@Dagmar> I never really had a problem with CEC other than devices being lazy and never turning the TV off
16:03 <@ezelkow1> yea cec works fine for most things, problem is the speed of communication, for something like volume control you have multiple issues
16:04 <@ezelkow1> first is the actual rate you can send vs. how its interpreted, 2nd is the way most of the communicate, its strictly up/down with no reference as to a starting point, its just very easy to get out of sync end up with blasting loudness if you're using an AVR
16:14 <@opticron> yeah...I have 3 controls right now and I kind of hate it. I wish my receiver was smart enough to let me send CEC commands to the TV and peripherals
16:14 <@opticron> theoretically, it could with the right firmware update
16:55 <@ezelkow1> i just use a harmony and call it good
18:54 < K`Tetch> or use e harmony, and find someone to do it for you
19:08 <@opticron> "find love and someone to maintain your A/V setup"
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