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02:05 < aestetix> wow
02:05 < aestetix> I just checked realclearpolitics
02:05 < aestetix> I was expecting Trump's approval rating to take a dive
02:05 < aestetix> maybe the results just aren't in yet
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06:25 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:30  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
06:42 < aestetix> ok so
06:43 < aestetix> There are topics I don't engage with Americans on because after about 2 minutes of arguing it turns into personal attacks
06:43 <@Dolemite> You're mother was a hamster!
06:43 < aestetix> However, I just got a set of personal attacks from this someone from the UK
06:43 <@Dolemite> dammit
06:43 <@Dolemite> YOUR
06:43 < aestetix> so maybe it's not just americans now
06:44 < aestetix> She was complaining about a litany of issues in the world, and I politely asked if she voted
06:44 < aestetix> which made her really mad
06:44 < aestetix> and then I asked if she voted for (or against) brexit
06:44 < aestetix> and wow the personal attacks started flying
06:45 <@Dolemite> Buyer's remorse
06:45 < aestetix> well I mean
06:45 < aestetix> 1. I try not to worry about stuff I can't control. This includes famine in africa, etc
06:45 < aestetix> 2. When I can do something, like voting, I absolutely do it.
06:46 <@Dolemite> So you're correct in that you can't control things like famine in Africe, but you can do things that can make an impact on it
06:46 < aestetix> and apparently this attitude earned me the title of "right wing white supremacist bigot" and a "fuck you"
06:46 < aestetix> sure
06:46 < aestetix> like donate for charities, etc
06:46 <@Dolemite> What I find discouraging is when folks take #1 to the extreme and decide that since they can't do it all, they don't need to do anything
06:46 < aestetix> but complaining on twitter is not one of them
06:46 <@Dolemite> "I'm raising awareness!"   *-gold star
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06:48 < aestetix> but also
06:48 < aestetix> I have a limited amount of things I can do. Which means I have to choose.
06:49 < aestetix> And getting mad about (for example) famine in africa, while that's a big problem, I don't have time for it
06:49 < aestetix> maybe someone else does, and that's great
06:49 <@Dolemite> Right, and I'm not saying everybody should quit their job and go volunteer for an NGO
06:50 <@Dolemite> But there's a huge in-the-middle field and a lot of folks seem to just avoid it altogether
06:50 <@Dolemite> Especially so-called evangelicals
06:50 < aestetix> yep
06:50 <@Dolemite> I see it constantly in both my parents and my neighbors
06:50 < aestetix> However
06:51 <@Dolemite> The thing that really pisses me off is the giving with strings attached
06:51 < aestetix> I'm also a fan of taking care of your own family and community first
06:51 <@Dolemite> Ah, but helping homeless and poor in your own community will only attract more people like that, and then the standard of living goes down!
06:51 < aestetix> IE if you get a paycheck, do you pay rent, or do you send it all to africa
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06:52 < aestetix> uh that makes no sense
06:52 <@Dolemite> Same reason why properous areas don't want public transport - it makes it easier for poor people to live near you
06:52 < aestetix> Or maybe because they finally have a slight leg up they can get themselves together and get a job
06:52 < aestetix> but what do I know
06:53 <@Dolemite> No, no, that's crazy talk!
06:53 < aestetix> ok here's an idea
06:53 <@Dolemite> The prosperous area I live in is having problems very much tied to that mentality right now.   Farragut has long resisted the idea of any "affordable housing"
06:53 < aestetix> this is actually kind of crazy
06:53 < aestetix> nashville 2600 is a nonprofit.....
06:54 < aestetix> so create a fund where you help some poor kid I don't know go to a nice school or something
06:54 < aestetix> and in exchange he has to give a talk at phreaknic
06:54 <@Dolemite> So the restaurants are having major problems attracting people to work there...  because nobody can afford to actually live in Farragut on what you can make working in a restaurant, and the kids are from well off families, so they don't give a shit about working
06:54 <@Dolemite> To get to a restaurant in Farragut, you have to drive past dozens of others, that are all paying above minimum wage to start
06:55 <@Dolemite> aestetix: That would be good if Nashville 2600 had money
06:56 <@Corydon76> aestetix: Nashville 2600 is not structured to do that.  It's outside of the mission statement.
06:56 <@Dolemite> I tried to get us to do some kind of philanthropy
06:57 < aestetix> fair enough
06:57 < aestetix> I was just thinking of cool things you could do to help the community
06:58 <@Dolemite> I tried to drum up support for us to teach a class for a battered women's shelter on how to remain anonymous on the net
06:58 < aestetix> that would be great
06:58 <@Dolemite> It would be both within our wheelhouse and a great benefit to others
06:59 <@Dolemite> But this was at the same time that hacker spaces were competing for mindshare
07:00 < aestetix> but anyways
07:00 < aestetix> thats a way to do something good that does not involve complaining on twitter
07:01 <@Corydon76> Dolemite: I don't disagree with the logic of it, but those shelters tend to have security set up in a way that poses a logistical problem with bringing in outside groups
07:01 <@Dolemite> So I hear
07:01 <@Dolemite> Corydon76: If they want it, they will find a way to make it happen.   It shouldn't stop others from trying to help.
07:01 <@Corydon76> And a large number of them simply prohibit men from being volunteers.
07:02 <@Dolemite> You make the offer and if they turn it down, you've tried.
07:05 < aestetix> fwiw this was also the point of the HOPE essay contest in 2016
07:06 < aestetix> A kid writes an essay on something cool in hacking, gets free entry into the conference
07:06 < aestetix> seeing as the door price is north of $100, that could change a high school kid's life
07:07 <@Corydon76> Dolemite: I think that was the end of it.  I looked into it, and the logistics of it was that they said they could do it if we had female instructors.  And we didn't.
07:07 <@Corydon76> aestetix: I think you've overestimating the value in attending a conference.
07:08 < aestetix> Corydon76: as compared to staying at home smoking pot and playing XBox?
07:08 <@Corydon76> aestetix: the kid who is likely to write such an essay isn't likely to be staying home and doing that.
07:08 < aestetix> Well the question is whether he would have written the essay if the offer wasn't there
07:08 <@Corydon76> It is a nice thing to do.  It will not change a kid's life.
07:09 < aestetix> But ultimately, I don't care.
07:09 < aestetix> might and maybe doesn't matter. Either he writes the essay or he doesn't.
07:10 <@Corydon76> The ideas that bug me about such a competition is all the kids who write good essays, with a lot of effort and lose the competition because the guy who wins is the son of one of the board members.
07:11 <@Corydon76> So even if the contest wasn't rigged from the start, he probably had some extra help.
07:11 < aestetix> Well if you post all the essays online, it's still something to be proud of
07:12 <@Dolemite> People don't do things for pride, any more.   They do them for cash value.
07:19 <@Corydon76> The problem is that we just had a generation where people were continuously shamed for having done thing voluntarily when they could have gotten paid for it.
07:20 <@Corydon76> Sometimes on TV, where the producers made them the butt of the joke on reality TV.
07:21 <@Dolemite> The problem with that statement is that there is so much garbage on TV these days, you can find someone representing just about every possible position.
07:27 <@Corydon76> Should we fault kids not for learning the lessons presented to them?
07:28 <@Corydon76> And telling them it's for their future resume, when they see college graduates out there being forced to serve coffee at Starbucks isn't encouraging, either.
07:28 < aestetix> And when they go to college, they come out angry SJWs with a ton of debt they can't get rid of.
07:31 <@Corydon76> That's usually an either/or.  The SJWs tend to have had parents who paid for it, and who can still afford to go around working on social causes.
07:32 < aestetix> That is probably true.
07:32 < aestetix> Based on the SJWs I have met.
07:32 <@Corydon76> If you have a ton of debt, the job sucks enough energy out of you that even if you think that way, you don't have the energy to expend.
07:33 < aestetix> Unless you get a job at Buzzfeed or Huffpo
07:33 <@Dolemite> LOL
07:33 <@Dolemite> I doubt most of those people are getting paid
07:34 <@Dolemite> Kind of like Medium
07:34 <@Dolemite> You might get a small honorarium
07:34 <@Corydon76> But it is funny that SJWs like Neil Young rail against the very technology keeping them alive
07:35 < aestetix> Who is Neil Young?
07:35 <@Corydon76> The most funny one would be an anti-GMO vegan activist with diabetes.
07:35 < aestetix> haha
07:36 <@Corydon76> I hope I don't have to explain that to anyone.
07:37 <@Dolemite> wouldn't it depend on the type of diabetes?
07:38 <@Corydon76> Fair enough.  Type II.
07:48 < aestetix> oh wait did you mean Neil Young the musician?
07:48 <@Corydon76> Yes
07:49 < aestetix> I assumed there was some instagram star named Neil young
07:49 <@Dolemite> "Instagram star"????!!!?!?!?!!
07:49 < aestetix> lol
07:49  * Dolemite kicks aestetix in the nuts
07:49 < aestetix> Let me rephrase
07:49 < aestetix> I meant another person also named Neil Young
07:50 < aestetix> Who was NOT the musician
07:50 <@Dolemite> I'm just over here trippin' balls and listening to Tubular Bells
07:50 <@Dolemite> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7MY_cdUL1E
07:50 < PigBot> Mike Oldfield 'Tubular Bells' Live at the BBC 1973 (high quality / remastered) (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/z6yvph5
10:03 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcHc54Z_b3w
10:03 < aestetix> probably nsfw
10:03 < PigBot> Slavoj Žižek's ideal sex *sniff* (PLASTIC VAGINA) (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/h659bqp
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23:28 <@Mirage> I may have to go to the TX State Fair this year... https://bigtex.com/event/morris-day-and-the-time/
23:28 < PigBot> Morris Day and the Time | State Fair of Texas (at bigtex.com) http://tinyurl.com/y74kk55m
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