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08:22 < aestetix> god post-modernism is such fucking cancer
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09:38 < Synx_hm> mother fucking nfsv4
09:53 <@Evilpig> yes
10:10 < Synx_hm> ha
10:10 < Synx_hm> my fucking v4 exports work on freebsd without issue (exporting from freebsd that is) but now on ubuntu ya nothing can mount them
10:11 <@Mirage> I haven't looked in a whle..has the mountpoint failover support been added to anything besides AIX?
10:12 <@Mirage> ports, portmapper, firewall, version enforcement?
10:12 <@Mirage> Synx_hm: ^
10:16 < Synx_hm> ill check thanks
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--- Log opened Wed Jun 06 11:31:23 2018
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11:34 <@Dolemite> something something something be0tches and h0ez!
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11:57  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
12:19 < TheDukh> https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/6/17433206/microsoft-underwater-data-center-project-natick
12:19 < TheDukh> Davey Jones Docker
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13:03 <@Dagmar> heh
13:57 <@dasunt> LOL, new space planning at work.
13:57 <@dasunt> Current idea - a "collaborative space" instead of a private office.
13:58  * dasunt looks around his office filled with various bits of computer equipment.
13:59 <@dasunt> Scenario #1:  I could tell them that I doubt this will work.
14:00 <@dasunt> Scenario #2:  Don't care.  Job market is strong.
14:01  * dasunt leans towards scenario #2, since they seem dedicated towards this course of action.
14:15 < Synx_hm> sweet christ, it was the fucking firewalld service, even though it was not attached to any interfaces as per firewall-cmd as long as the firewalld service was up RPC was being blocked
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14:47 <@Corydon76_> dasunt: only thing that tends to convince such people is a link to a study suggesting otherwise
14:48 <@Corydon76_> Collaborative spaces are fine, as long as they're *in addition to* private working areas, not instead of.
14:51 <@Corydon76_> When I worked at Digium, every office had its own whiteboard, and there was a larger whiteboard in a collaborative area.  This allowed for both types of collaboration (small and large), while not denying that privately working alone also has its merits.
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15:00 <@dasunt> Corydon76_: I'm feeling that in the current environment, telling truth to power is a bad idea.
15:02 <@dasunt> There's already a decision of making a change in the amount of office space we're going to use.
15:04 <@Corydon76_> Ugh, recruiters who don't read profiles.
15:05 <@dasunt> Now if they approached us with this problem *before* making a decision, then we could head off bad situation.
15:05 <@Corydon76_> My profile says I'm not interested in jobs outside of Nashville.  Recruiter sends me something for a job in NYC.
15:05 <@dasunt> But afterwards, I don't feel like it benefits me to point out why their idea isn't going to work.
15:06 <@dasunt> Either (a) I'm right, and I've pointed out how it'll be a disaster, or (b) I'm wrong and I'm just a naysayer.
15:07 <@Corydon76_> Or (c) you're being pessimistic, and the reason it failed is because you didn't go into it with an open mind.
15:08 <@dasunt> I may be.
15:08 <@Corydon76_> No, I mean managers who won't listen frequently blame their failures on others, and you'd be a convenient scapegoat.
15:09 <@dasunt> Why?
15:09 <@dasunt> I wasn't asked.
15:09 <@Corydon76_> If you told them it would fail, and then it did.
15:09 <@dasunt> OIC.
15:09 <@dasunt> You are suggesting that if I state my concerns, when the project fails, it'll be assumed I sabotaged it.
15:10 <@Corydon76_> That may be a possible outcome, yes.  But you know the managers better than I do
15:10 <@Corydon76_> If they're unwilling to listen to reason, then it's likely that they'll blame their own failures on others.
15:11 <@dasunt> It's possible.  I'd like to think not, and that instead this whole thing is just bad decision making, OTOH, that means I believe my managers value my career over their own.
15:11 <@Corydon76_> What's more shocking is that this is pretty fairly common knowledge around management circles, that collaborative spaces just don't work.
15:13 <@Corydon76_> Maybe their management magazine subscription expired 10 years ago, and they never got a clue.
15:13 <@Corydon76_> Anyway, not my rodeo; these are your clowns.
15:17 <@dasunt> As I said, job market is strong, and we paid off the mortgage this year.
15:17  * dasunt really isn't desperate for work.
16:22 <@Dagmar> If you're going to be working in an open, collaborative space, perhaps the office needs a few more improvements
16:22 <@Dagmar> Like a voice-activated copier
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17:37 < aestetix> Corydon76_: generally, I've found that when management wants that, it's for a reason not based on facts and evidence, and it's a losing battle.
17:38 < aestetix> So yeah dasunt time to search for something new.
17:38 < aestetix> The best part is what the company will do in two years when they realize they have tripled their employee turnover.
18:15 <@Dagmar> Also, voice-activated toilets.
18:16 <@Dagmar> Especially you need voice-activated toilets if the bathrooms use a serpentine entry
18:16 <@Dagmar> Voice activated hand dryers, and if all goes well, possibly a new voice-activated door or two
18:18 <@Dagmar> mattfly: Are these the same installation?
18:18 <@Dagmar> @#$@#$
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21:30 <@eryc> Jeremy began making your order at 10:29pm
21:31 <@eryc> dasunt: just because you enjoy jerking off to pornhub half the day doesn't mean others won't share your past time with you
21:31 <@eryc> why be so negative, sheesh
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