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00:46 <@Dagmar> Well, the baby has a spare kidney.
00:48 < aestetix> man that was something
00:48 < aestetix> just spend a few minutes looking at reddit, then a few minutes looking at voat
00:49 < aestetix> it was like the worst of both sides of the internet
06:26 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:06  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:26 <@Evilpig> what kind of place would do this?  https://news.vumc.org
07:26 < PigBot>  Vanderbilt News | Vanderbilt University (at news.vumc.org) http://tinyurl.com/y7g45ayo
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07:30 < aestetix> do what
07:31 < aestetix> looks like they had Biden come to speak
07:31 <@Evilpig> https -> http
07:31 < aestetix> oh
07:31 < aestetix> wait what
07:31 <@Evilpig> when the entire web is shifting to ssl these dumbshits go the opposite direction
07:31 < aestetix> wtf
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10:01 < Synx_hm> wtf did MS do to the latest win10 pro update
10:01 < Synx_hm> nuked my wifi passwords, added some new random partition that is 300mb in size and i cant for the life of me find anything on my fucking desktop
10:01 < Synx_hm> it also took 4 fucking hours to update
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10:33 <@Dolemite> Oh, lawd have mercy.   Diane Black has now equated porn as a major factor in school shootings.
10:34 <@Evilpig> but of course
10:34 <@Evilpig> I saw that this morning and just rolled my eyes
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10:34 <@Dolemite> Maybe that will drop her in the polls for governor just a bit
10:34 < aestetix> ..... porn?
10:34 <@Dolemite> I have no idea who is running against her, but they have my vote
10:37 < aestetix> on a related note
10:37 < aestetix> https://reason.com/blog/2018/05/30/steam-pulls-active-shooter
10:37 < PigBot> Steam Pulls Video Game Active Shooter—and Permanently Bans the Developer - Hit & Run : Reason.com (at reason.com)
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12:09 <@oddball> It's that damn jazz music and comic books!
12:14 <@Dolemite> No, it's rap music
12:14 <@Dolemite> didn't you read the highlights from last night's campaign rally?
12:14 <@Evilpig> I'm pretty sure this is all big organic's doing
12:14 <@Dolemite> It's those "so called musicians" that don't even play instruments, like Jay-Z!
12:16 < aestetix> well
12:17 < aestetix> Trump just weighed in and defended Roseanne
12:17 < aestetix> about an hour ago
12:17 <@Dolemite> Well, he did less defending of her than he did asking why he didn't get an apology, too
12:18 <@oddball> I will say that I've seen celebs say a lot worse and put out a non-apology a week or two later without real consequence.
12:18 < aestetix> I mean
12:18 < aestetix> I wish there were a way to vaccinate against twitter
12:18 <@Dolemite> Yeah, I think it was ham handed of ABC to cancel the show
12:19 <@Dolemite> Personally, I'd rather see them write her out of the show
12:19 < aestetix> The democrats don't realize this chickenshit is going to have 2018 over to trump
12:19 < aestetix> and 2020
12:19 <@Mirage> Based on the fact that she's Roseanne and not because of her tweet/comment
12:19 <@oddball> Especially since she apparently went "oh shit," gave a real apology and deleted the tweet within 30 minutes.
12:20 <@oddball> Yeah.  I've personally found her obnoxious for... uh... ever?
12:20 < aestetix> well yes
12:20 < aestetix> She's been known for being annoying for.... 30 years?
12:21 <@Dolemite> I've been somewhat surprised with her role on the show - specifically, that it's not the MAGA Variety Show.   I think it has done a good job of portraying real struggles with race and immigration.
12:21 < aestetix> I watched the first few episodes and actually liked it
12:21 < aestetix> I haven't watched the last few just because life
12:22 <@Evilpig> she has a good set of writers.  how much of that she is involved with I don't know, but it's been funny damnit. 
12:22 <@Evilpig> stupid abc
12:22 <@Evilpig> stupid PC nonsense
12:22 <@oddball> Yeah, I have a friend that made a post that stated that the show was possibly doing more to get middle america to accept alternative lifestyles than a lot of the stuff that's come out in a while.
12:23 < aestetix> yep
12:23 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: Yep, but she still has to act it out.   She's managed to be professional in that respect, at least.
12:23 < aestetix> The reason I watched it, in fact, was because of all the negative reviews by people who hadn't seen it
12:23 < aestetix> If they all hate it, that means it has to be good :p
12:23 <@oddball> Since, apparently, one of the grand kids was gay or something, and that show was firmly aimed at watched by rednecks.
12:23 <@Dolemite> True dat
12:23 <@Dolemite> One grandkid is gender fluid, another is biracial
12:24 <@oddball> ah, ok.
12:24 <@oddball> And a lot of that demographic will instantly tune out the hard left stuff.
12:24 <@Dolemite> He's a boy, he simply likes to wear skirts and/or wear makeup at times.
12:24 <@Evilpig> bright colors
12:25 <@Dolemite> Kinda like NotLarry
12:25 < aestetix> Dolemite: and Roseanne went to school with him and defended him.
12:25 <@Dolemite> Yep
12:25 < aestetix> and yet she is the bigot somehow
12:25 <@Dolemite> Well, again, that was how the part was written
12:28 < aestetix> and now this has created a shitstorm that the president has weighed in on
12:28 < aestetix> and the drama is going to last the rest of the week
12:29 <@Dolemite> Russia-WHAT?
12:30 < aestetix> wait, Roseanne met with someone from Russia?
12:30 <@Dolemite> There you go, toss that one out into meme space
12:30 < aestetix> hmm
12:30 < aestetix> I wonder if there were any Russians on her writing staff
12:32 <@Dolemite> I had posted a link to snopes.com on one of the blatantly incorrect posting from an old high school friend...   which then quickly spiraled down into Soros/Bias/Fake Media...   but it was being countered, the entire time, by memes.   I'd cite sources, he and his friends would respond with memes.   We deserve to fail as a species, at this point.
12:32 <@oddball> Because Russia
12:33 < aestetix> Dolemite: don't forget that Obama was recruited and trained by Saul Alinsky
12:33 <@Dolemite> No, I like the one that Obama was a gay male prostitute in college.
12:34 < aestetix> heh that reminds me of when I lived in baltimore
12:35 <@oddball> And, of course, I'm *still* hearing people that should know better talk about the Trump golden showers thing that turned out to be a 4chan prank.
12:35 < aestetix> I moved into this apartment, the guy living there before me apparently had a regular set of gay prostitutes come to his place every saturday night
12:35 < aestetix> and forgot to tell them all he'd moved
12:35 < aestetix> so I'd occasionally get a knock on the door at like 2am
12:35 <@Dolemite> I want to go back in time to an age when bloggers didn't get press credentials outside of fandom conventions.   When it was accepted that a newspaper willing to print a retraction when they are wrong was considered good journalism.   Back to when they paid for proof checkers.
12:35 <@oddball> aestetix: I think that's one of those "only you would have that happen" moments.
12:36 <@Dolemite> oddball: The man has a golden toilet seat.   I have every confidence that he has numerous golden showers.
12:36 < aestetix> There's a knock on the door at 2am, and one look at the guy tells me what's going on.
12:36 < aestetix> "Sorry, he doesn't live here anymore."
12:36 <@oddball> Dolemite: Sad thing is that we've got to the point that the newspapers are about as reliable as bloggers/youtubers anymore.
12:37 < aestetix> I mean nothing against anyone else's life choices
12:37 < aestetix> But that got annoying
12:37 < aestetix> Dolemite: same
12:37 <@Dolemite> oddball: I agree that there are *some* bloggers that are more reliable than newspapers, but in general, most are still just spouting opinion, rather than facts.
12:38 <@Dolemite> Of course, any paper that Gannett bought out is now worth less than toilet paper.   At least toilet paper will clean your ass without giving you a rash.
12:38 <@oddball> And newspapers have now actually adopted the policy that it's better to just change the story on their site and not print a retraction.
12:38 <@oddball> Dolemite: Oh, yeah... there's a lot of bloggers out there that spew bullshit.
12:39 < aestetix> oddball: which is horirble
12:39 < aestetix> horrible*
12:39 <@Dolemite> Yeah, I hate online papers that don't show a change log
12:39 <@Dolemite> So basically here's the Dolemite 2020 take on the whole Russia scandal.
12:40 < aestetix> I actually think the news media is hurting the US more than Trump
12:40 <@Dolemite> 1 - Russia didn't break down our ability to tell fact from fiction.   We did that shit to ourselves, in the name of higher ratings.
12:40 < aestetix> yep
12:40 < aestetix> Well also
12:40 <@oddball> I have a friend that's a reporter.  She's told me that both the lawyers and ethics commitee has said that that's the best way to do it.
12:40 <@Dolemite> 2 - Russia didn't really care who got elected, they simply wanted chaos, and for us to question EVERYTHING.
12:40 < aestetix> if you take the russia narrative to its logical conclusion
12:41 < aestetix> Then you get censorship of certain kinds of speech.
12:41 < aestetix> Which is precisely what Facebook has proposed with their new ad policies.
12:41 <@oddball> When I told her that they should list the changes, she told me that there would be articles where the corrections were longer than the article.  My reaction was "and your point?"
12:41 <@Dolemite> 3 - Trump is fucking moron that thought he could get his son to reach out to Russia to dig up dirt on his opponent, because WINNING is all that matters.
12:41 < aestetix> yep
12:42 <@oddball> Hell, I've seen some articles that were quietly replaced with articles that stated the exact opposite of the initial one.
12:43 <@Dolemite> Newspaper sites should be run like an editor-only page of wikipedia
12:43 <@Dolemite> Every change is logged and reviewable by the public
12:43 <@Dolemite> And turn off commenting
12:43 < aestetix> that would be great
12:43 <@Dolemite> For the love of humanity, turn that shit off.   Take it straight to social media if you want, but keep it out of the original article.
12:44 < aestetix> So basically make a digital version of the star system
12:44 <@oddball> Of course, what pisses me off with the press and Trump is that they're constantly editing shit to make him look bad, or straight up making shit up.  All the time, he's actually doing shit that makes him look bad that doesn't get reported/gets buried.
12:44 < aestetix> yep
12:44 <@oddball> Dolemite: That would make me very happy.
12:45 <@Dolemite> And before it can be reported, yes, back in the day I put many a dollar bill in the garter of an otherwise naked woman.   Scandal averted.
12:45 <@oddball> heh
12:46 <@Dolemite> I also drank beer while doing it
12:46 <@Mirage> And smoking
12:46 < aestetix> Dolemite: you shuld post that on twitter
12:49 < aestetix> speaking of which
12:49 < aestetix> I'm so glad I have it blocked
12:49 < aestetix> I can't imagine how bad it is today
12:52 <@Dolemite> Yeah, true, I used to be a social smoker
12:52 <@Dolemite> including the occasional cigar or clove cigarette
12:53 < aestetix> yeah, the smoking bans are progressive left policies
12:53 < aestetix> I've been called very bad names because I disagree with those policies
12:54 <@Dolemite> Effort should be on educating people about why it's not a good idea to smoke, not to punish those who are already addicted
12:54 < aestetix> And not taking choices away.
12:55 <@Dolemite> I actually had to talk to my kiddo about that last weekend at GeekNIC.   He asked me why Mirage smoked, and I explained to him that at this point it wasn't really a choice for him.   I know Mirage has tried to quit multiple times, but sometimes you just can't make it stick.
12:56 < aestetix> Dolemite: that's a bit different from the government deciding for you.
12:57 <@Dolemite> But there are still a lot of people in this world that think being addicted to alcohol, smoking, opioids...  or in my case, food, is simply a choice.
12:57 < aestetix> yeah that's not what I was suggesting
12:58 <@Dolemite> But when government enacts a ban on an activity like smoking, in the whole freaking city...   that's too far.
12:58 < aestetix> yep
12:59 <@Dolemite> If I own a bar and want to cater to smokers, I should be able to do so.
12:59 < aestetix> yep
12:59 <@Evilpig> ash has switched from smoking to vaping and while I can't speak to it being more healthy I can say her eternal raspy cough is gone and i'm happy about that
12:59 <@Dolemite> And if I go under due to the majority of people not wanting to be in that kind of environment, it's my own risk to take.
12:59 < aestetix> Dolemite: if you said this in the bay area, you'd get all kinds of personal attacks against you.
13:00 < aestetix> I speak from experience :(
13:00 <@Dolemite> Yeah, I'm not in favor of swapping one addiction for another
13:00 <@Dolemite> But I'm supportive of people who are making an attempt
13:00 <@Evilpig> the addiction is still nicotine but it seems to be less of it
13:00 < aestetix> sure
13:00 <@Dolemite> Without the tar
13:01 < aestetix> Actually
13:01 < aestetix> I wonder how many people use twitter the way they used to use smoking
13:10 <@shapr> I switched from smoking to vaping, it was an improvement.
13:10 <@shapr> but I'd rather be done with it
13:11 <@shapr> I've quit for years at a time, but when stressful life events happen, I go back to nicotine
13:13 <@ezelkow1> +1, also switched to vaping, like 2 years ago now maybe
13:13 <@ezelkow1> it is much better, i mean cheaper, no smell, no tar, and sure the verdict is out on the health side but I cant imagine it being anywhere close to the harm of actual cigs
13:14 <@ezelkow1> plus you can step yourself down, I started at 18mg and now down to 6mg
13:15 <@ezelkow1> i just dont get the people who do it for 'clouds' or for whatever reason they perceive it to be cool, thats just odd to me, but as a smoking cessation/alternative it is awesome
13:17 <@shapr> I heard they're changing the main internet router names. No longer Mae West and Mae East, now Kim Kardashian West and Kim Kardashian East.
13:17 <@shapr> ezelkow1: yeah, some of my coworkers want big clouds, I never did get that.
13:18 < aestetix> http://blog.dilbert.com/2018/05/30/episode-87-roseannes-ambien-defense/
13:18 < PigBot> Episode 87: Roseanne’s Ambien Defense - Dilbert Blog (at blog.dilbert.com)
13:19 <@ezelkow1> score, won the raffle for a parking pass at work, now I get a year+ of free downtown garage parking 1block from my building
13:19 <@ezelkow1> which apparently I can use 24/7
13:19 <@shapr> yay!
13:19 <@shapr> My expensive apt building has a pretty decent parking deck, but the past week a bunch of cars were broken into
13:20 <@shapr> I guess I'm lucky my reliable car is old enough and affordable enough that they didn't want to steal my CDs
13:20 <@ezelkow1> though it does mean they also expect me to be in the office 4 days a week now, but I guess I can live with it
13:21 <@ezelkow1> cause from here I can get to coors field 3 blocks away, pepsi center 1 block, and the major train station like 1/2 block so I can hop on a train to the airport quick
13:49 <@Dolemite> The only train option I have in Knoxville is the one that does a loop inside the mall for $10/kid.
13:49 <@Dolemite> :(
13:50 <@shapr> Atlanta has a minimal subway system, but at least it has something
13:50 <@shapr> Birmingham has buses, but when I was there, I think they literally had two buses.
13:50 <@shapr> I never saw any mass transit in Huntsville, but they might have had buses.
13:51 <@Dolemite> Yeah, most Tier-2 and Tier-3 cities have a bus transit system, though often times underutilized.
13:51 <@Dolemite> HSV does have busses
13:51 <@Dolemite> Just not to white neighborhoods
13:51 <@Dolemite> Same as with nearly every Southern city outside of Atlanta
13:52 <@ezelkow1> yea we have busses, but they take forever to get anywhere
13:52 <@ezelkow1> the train isnt bad, but it pretty much just follows the interstate so you can get from some burbs to downtown, then out to a few other burbs from there or the airport
13:52 <@shapr> ezelkow1: which city?
13:52 <@ezelkow1> denver
13:52 <@shapr> I'm tempted to move to Denver
13:53 <@shapr> I liked the parts I saw
13:53 <@Dolemite> Even Knoxville has busses.   The only time they have a stop in my town is during UT football games, so they can pick up all the rich white folks that want to get hammered on $10 beers.
13:53 <@shapr> I've heard Denver is cycle friendly.
13:53 <@ezelkow1> i like it, i did like nashville, but out of all the places I lived I do like denver the best
13:53 <@shapr> I'm enjoying Atlanta , but it's still very southern
13:53 <@shapr> and while I grew up in Alabama, I spent a bunch of my formative adult years in Europe
13:53 <@Dolemite> I live in a little town called Farragut, which is a portion they carved out from Knoxville about 25 years ago to separate themselves from the chaff of actuall Knoxville residents.
13:53 <@ezelkow1> and yea its pretty bike friendly, we have a bunch of people that actually bike in from the burbs cause they can do it in like 30min-1hr, we have trails everywhere
13:54 <@shapr> The south still feels very limited and limiting.
13:54 <@shapr> ezelkow1: I could go for that
13:54 <@shapr> though my unicycle isn't that great on deep snow
13:54 <@Dolemite> As long as you have at least one black family in your church, you're not a racist.   That's how it works.
13:54 <@shapr> but there's a $1500 upgrade that would get me a snow-friendly unicycle
13:55 <@ezelkow1> snow isnt really an issue, we arent really the blizzardy wasteland the country thinks we are, its just when you see snow reports from 'denver' they tend to lump in the footbills and mountain areas, which are way way different than the city/burbs
13:55 <@ezelkow1> plus snow here melts within a day or 2, we dont get the winter slush
13:56 < aestetix> That's funny
13:57 <@shapr> winter slush was my least favorite part of Boston
13:57 < aestetix> Because you guys are all in the south
13:57 < aestetix> And you are all way, way, way more open minded than the average person in the Bay Area
13:57 <@ezelkow1> and theres not much humidity, so 30-40deg in the winter can be done in just in a hoodie once you're acclimated, same goes for summer, like I got used to 90-100 here in the summer and thought going back to nashville Id be fine when it was like 80 for a wedding
13:57 < aestetix> San Francisco turned into one of the most bigoted and closed minded places I've ever lived.
13:57 <@ezelkow1> and I was dying when I went back, sweatin my balls off
13:58 <@shapr> On my current team we have members from Montgomery, India, Turkey, and China
13:58 <@shapr> we also have one trans team member and two female team members
13:58 <@Dolemite> aestetix: I will be in San Francisco for DockerCon in 2 weeks.   I will aspire to talk loud enough for people to hear me say that they're fucking morons for turning into such nannies.
13:59 <@shapr> I claim to be from Sweden, but really I grew up in Alabama
13:59 <@Dolemite> I may spend a day to try to find the Illegal BBQ girl.
13:59 < aestetix> Dolemite: nice :)
13:59 <@Dolemite> I want a selfie with her.
13:59 <@shapr> I love having a team this diverse, we find really good solutions.
13:59 < aestetix> shapr: is it actual diversity or just "we have blacks!"
14:00 < aestetix> Because so many of these "diverse" groups have zero people who aren't progressive leftists.
14:00 <@Dolemite> The lab has incredible diversity, that's for sure.
14:00 <@shapr> aestetix: we have real diversity
14:00 < aestetix> nice!
14:00 <@Dolemite> Not only do I know multiple people of color, I have managed to find TWO of them that are both from the tiny island of Trinidad and Tobago.
14:01 <@Dolemite> One I have been out drinking after work with.   The other I simply interact with at work, but he's a really nice and capable guy.
14:01 <@shapr> aestetix: we also put effort into listening to all the team members no matter their experience level, so we find some really cool approaches
14:01 < aestetix> shapr: that's great.
14:01 < aestetix> I mean, as an example of something I saw in Oakland
14:02 <@shapr> I really love the people here. The tech side isn't very exciting, but the people side makes it hard to leave.
14:02 < aestetix> All these upper-middle class white kids got together and created a hackerspace which I won't name
14:02 <@shapr> I'm really tired of writing Python, C++, Ruby, Go, etc
14:02 < aestetix> They had a meeting and decided they wanted to have more blacks and other "minorities"
14:02 <@shapr> I don't think it works that way
14:02 < aestetix> And they did an outreach, and then these "minorities" showed up, and hooo boy did the culture drama issues start happening
14:03 <@shapr> I'm a member of Freeside in Atlanta, our membership is somewhat diverse.
14:03 <@shapr> hehe, I bet
14:04 < aestetix> As an example of the cultural drama that happened
14:04 <@shapr> Diversity is good for finding better solutions to problems, but assholes appear to be equally distributed among all humans.
14:04 < aestetix> Someone's computer got stolen.
14:04 < aestetix> Now, how do you investigate to figure out who stole it
14:04 <@shapr> you ask who saw it last?
14:04 < aestetix> I suspect you can all see where that went
14:04 <@shapr> where it was, who had access?
14:05 < aestetix> shapr: or you get suspicious of the new people
14:05 <@shapr> you grab the security camera recordings?
14:05 <@shapr> huh, ok
14:05 < aestetix> Let me put it this way
14:05 < aestetix> When you are actualy just virtue signalling to mask closet racism, and then bad shit happens, the mask can fall partly off.
14:05 < aestetix> But you have to sort of keep it on because you don't want anyone else to think you're racist.
14:06 <@shapr> like I said, assholes are in a uniform distribution
14:06 < aestetix> Let's just say I'm glad to not be there anymore.
14:06 < aestetix> And I wish Dolemite the best of luck
14:07 <@shapr> I've met cool people from many different backgrounds
14:07 < aestetix> Dolemite 2020
14:07 <@shapr> It's also weird how people from *very* different backgrounds who look the same seem to think they're more like each other.
14:07 <@shapr> I never did understand that.
14:11 < aestetix> shapr: well I can give an example here
14:11 < aestetix> here = berlin
14:12 < aestetix> One of the places where I am more libertarian is gun rights. I'm pretty opposed to government regulations, especially when they are lipservice and not actually doing anything
14:12 < aestetix> I'm happy to break down my reasoning and logic, and I've done this with Germans, and many times they have simply never heard my perspective before.
14:13 < aestetix> The conversation usually ends with "wow, you americans are nuts" but they can't refute the logic
14:14 < aestetix> I think this is because America actually has a very diverse discussion on guns, despite what you see in the media.
14:14 < aestetix> Whereas in Germany, it's just assumed they should be banned.
14:14 < aestetix> On the other hand, hearing some of the ways health care works here has changed my view on socialized health care significantly.
14:14 < aestetix> This is the kind of diversity I like :)
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14:15 < aestetix> hope that makes sense
14:23 <@Dolemite> Anybody here every used the Postfix address_masquerade directive?
14:24 <@Dolemite> s/every/ever
14:24 <@Dolemite> Trying to clean up for DMARC compliance without having to get 100s of admins to fix their shit (which I'd love to be able to make them do)
14:25 <@Dolemite> In a strict DMARC scenario, root@myserver.domain.gov being signed by a DKIM key for domain.gov will fail alignment.
14:25 <@Dolemite> I'm thinking that Address Masquerading will do the trick
14:29 <@shapr> yeah, socialized health care in Sweden was great
14:31 <@Dolemite> oh, well, time to head home
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