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06:38 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:39  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
06:52 < aestetix> Corydon76: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/23/opinion/democrats-midterm-trump.html
06:52 < aestetix> tl;dr you were right
06:53 < aestetix> seems the best way to defeat the trump nutjobs is to ignore them
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07:30 <@Corydon76> aestetix: I took your question to be about governing, not campaigning.  Governing is about coalitions and compromise.  Campaigns are about dividing the country.
07:33 < aestetix> Corydon76: my point is that that opinion piece implies that the way to defeat trump would have been to ignore him and focus on the issues.
07:34 < aestetix> And while (as I've said before) I disagree with Hilary on a lot of stuff, I'm pretty sure if the media had done that she would have won easily.
07:34 < aestetix> And by extension, the way to deal with the alt-right and radical left is to ignore them.
07:34 <@_NSAKEY> But aestetix, think of the ratings!
07:34 <@Corydon76> She's already said that if she had spent the time to campaign in Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Ohio, in the final weeks, she likely would have won
07:35 <@Corydon76> The election came down to about 70,000 votes.
07:35 < aestetix> I'm not relitigating an election that happened almost two years ago.
07:35 <@Corydon76> Instead, she spent time in California, making her margin there even greater
07:35 < aestetix> Also, I'm *agreeing* with you
07:48 <@Dolemite> http://abc7chicago.com/family/judge-orders-30-year-old-son-to-leave-parents-home-after-they-sued-him/3506871/
07:49 < PigBot> Judge orders 30-year-old son to leave parents' Syracuse area home after they sued him | abc7chicago.com (at abc7chicago.com) http://tinyurl.com/ybbvg5pw
07:49 <@Dolemite> It has come to this.   Wow.
07:50 <@Evilpig> I read that this morning and laughed
07:51 <@Evilpig> https://people.com/human-interest/parents-sue-30-year-old-son-to-move-out/
07:51 < PigBot> Parents Sue 30-Year-Old Son to Kick Him Out of House | PEOPLE.com (at people.com) http://tinyurl.com/yas7addz
07:53 < aestetix> And the detail the article leaves out
07:53 < aestetix> Is that apparently he wanted to stay home to be with his son
07:53 < aestetix> Who I guess his parents are raising for him
07:58 <@Dolemite> Probably because he's a 30 year old dad that still lives in his parents' basement
07:58 <@Dolemite> And mom hasn't been seen since the last Ren Faire came to town
08:00 < aestetix> Not arguing with that
08:00 < aestetix> Just saying they didn't include it in the story, it seems relevant
08:00 <@Dolemite> It was in the video
08:01 < aestetix> Yes. That's how I know about it.
08:01 <@Dolemite> The point, though, is that they shouldn't be forced to be enablers for his dysfunctional view of what he's entitled to.
08:01 < aestetix> that is reasonable
08:02 <@Dolemite> He's entitled to the opportunity to get out there and earn his own living
08:02 < aestetix> So you mean, he goes, gets a job, his own place, maybe finds a new woman, and then he is allowed to raise the kid?
08:03 <@Dolemite> There's a whole lot of different ways that could go.   There was no detail on what the custodial arrangement is, or why it exists.
08:03 < aestetix> this is true
08:03 < aestetix> And I mean
08:03 < aestetix> 30 and still at home has to raise some eyebrows
08:04 <@Dolemite> But what you listed is one possibility of many.   He could simply go get a job (he's holding out for management, since he has that B.S. in English Medieval Literature) and find an apartment, maybe with a nice roommate, like Deadpool, and then petition the court to regain primary custody of his child.
08:07 <@Dolemite> My wife divorced her first husband after he lost his job and then "held out for management" for nearly 3 years - simply sitting at home and living off of her.   He then moved in with his father, who he still lives with today, and has turned down other jobs because they simply "weren't a good fit" for him.   I've been married to my wife for 12.5 years, and she was divorced for 2 before we married, so
08:07 <@Dolemite> that's at least 17 years of excuses for not working.   Unfortunately, I don't think it's that uncommon.
08:07 < aestetix> I believe we call that a deadbeat.
08:07 <@Dolemite> Yes.   Yes, we do.
08:08 <@Dolemite> There's a boy in my son's Scout Troop who has insisted for the past 3 years that he wants to grow up to be a deadbeat.
08:08 < aestetix> :(
08:09 <@Dolemite> Partially to blame, I believe, is our idiotic idolizing of celebreties who are famous for no other reason than declaring themselves to be.   Or letting a rapper piss on you.
08:09 <@Dolemite> Kids see that and realize that these people do nothing, yet get everything they want.
08:10 <@Dolemite> Parents need to stop fearing reciprocity for forcing their kids to work hard at something.
08:11 <@Dolemite> Not saying they should be able to lock the kids in a hot box for not clearing their dishes, but I run into so many folks in town that are scared to instill even the smallest amount of discipline on their little prince or princess.
08:11 <@Dolemite> You reap what you sow
08:11 <@Dolemite> Dolemite 2020
08:11  * Dolemite climbs down off of his soap box and puts his cane away
08:13 < aestetix> You mean like that Logan Paul guy
08:14  * aestetix casts a vote for Dolemite 
08:15 <@Dolemite> Yes, another fine example of the shitbowl we are swimming in
08:20 <@Evilpig> I love to tell kids that are being little shits that I'll call the cops to come witness me beat them.  they typically straighten up after that
08:21 <@Corydon76> Not a rant, but a funny:  I give our warehouse managers tools and access to easily change addresses on their own.  They still file the ticket for me, I do it quickly, and they all think I'm some kind of wizard.
08:30 < aestetix> That sounds like the chaotic-good version of using a one button click security tool to do an audit and generate a security report, waiting an hour, then sending it out and billing for an hour's worth of work
08:30 < aestetix> In the chaotic-evil version you don't tell them about the tool
08:32 <@Corydon76> Sounds kind of like my reports.  I generally spend about 5 minute writing the data extraction and an hour fiddling with things like column widths, color highlighting, and capitalization
08:32 < aestetix> don't forget fonts
08:32 <@Corydon76> It's Excel.  I don't mess with the default font
08:33 <@Corydon76> although on occasion, when the report generates more than 2^16 records, I have to switch over to generating XLSX.
08:35 <@Corydon76> And to be fair, sometimes getting the right color for data gets people to sit up and dedicate time to fixing something.  "Oh man, look at all that red."
08:36 <@Corydon76> Actual quote from a customer service manager
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13:18 < dasunt> Did SpaceX recover the fairing?
13:31 <@opticron> I haven't seen anything about the fairing recovery
13:31 <@opticron> either way
13:33 < dasunt> I thought they were going to attempt it with this launch.
13:38 <@opticron> yeah, that's what I got from the feed, too
13:38 <@opticron> but there was no marker on the timeline for fairing capture
14:35 < dasunt> Hmmmm.
14:37 < dasunt> SpaceX:  Making what would be amazing quite boring.
14:40 < dasunt> Yo, work is giving us the choice between the Surface Pro tablet and the Surface Pro laptop.  Leaning towards the laptop.  Comments?
14:58 <@Evilpig> I liked the feel of the tablet but I hated the powercord
15:39 <@Dagmar> Doesn't matter which one you pick, you'll still be gay
15:40 <@Corydon76> Hey, now.
15:40 <@Dagmar> Heh
15:40 <@Dagmar> THe main point being, it's not much of a choice
15:41 <@Corydon76> Reminds me of the scene in Airplane, where the discussion is whether someone had the chicken or fish, and Leslie Nielsen says, "Yes, I remember; I had the lasagna."
15:42 <@Corydon76> Point being, if your choice is the Surface tablet or the Surface laptop, you're better off choosing the lasagna.
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