--- Log opened Tue May 08 00:00:36 2018
04:26 < aestetix> you know
04:26 < aestetix> I see all this drama in the gaming community about nintendo not having a good online service
04:27 < aestetix> and now they release plans for a service that basically addresses all the complaints
04:27 < aestetix> and now there are complaints that it's too expensive
04:27 < aestetix> at $20/year
07:14 < Evilpig_> aestetix: do you think you should pay $20 a year to be able to make backups of your saved games?  that's my only real complaint with it
07:15 < Evilpig_> and for that $20 you're getting online backups of the saved games, but only for the account that it is registered against.  the $20 for a single/$35 for a family seems silly.  I have 5 accounts on my switch but only one of them has a nintendo online account.  I'll have to make accounts for the rest of them to back up their saved games.
07:15 <@Corydon76> Seems rather expensive for just saved games.
07:17 < aestetix> Evilpig_: it seems like it's a service that lets you play games online, with the added benefit of saved game backups
07:25 < Evilpig_> that is what it is.  but the primary feature that people have been screaming about is the ability to back up save games
07:26 <@Corydon76> The implicit implication of a service for backing up your saved games is that their hardware is unreliable for saving games in the first place
07:30 < aestetix> maybe I just don't understand
07:30 < aestetix> since I'm not a gamer
07:30 < aestetix> and have touched a nintendo switch exactly once
07:33 < Evilpig_> hardware fails.  no matter what
07:33 < Evilpig_> there currently isn't a good way to back up your saved games
07:33 <@Corydon76> Whereupon you realized it wasn't a sex toy and moved on, right, aestetix?
07:33 < Evilpig_> The other night I thought I saw the end of my saved games when ashley's kid walked into the kitchen playing my switch and he tripped and it went skidding across the room
07:34 < aestetix> Corydon76: acatually Labo changes that
07:34 <@Corydon76> Evilpig_: it does, but an addon backup service is an implicit reminder that you (the manufacturer) considers it unreliable
07:34 < aestetix> I mean
07:34 < Evilpig_> it's a portable system.  it's gonna break.  it will happen
07:35 < aestetix> is $20 a year really that much
07:35 < Evilpig_> $20 isn't, but charging me for a function that should just be there is kinda annoying
07:35 <@Corydon76> All at once, yes, especially when you don't know if the backup service is going to be worth it.
07:36 <@Corydon76> Now, if they charged $2/mo, and a discounted rate of $20/year, maybe
07:36 < aestetix> I'm just reminded of all the outrage over Super Mario Run being $10
07:36 < aestetix> it's a damned good game, well polished
07:37 <@Corydon76> That would allow people to try it for a couple months before springing for the full year
07:37 <@Corydon76> People don't want to spend for a full year's worth of service until they feel that it has value
07:37 < Evilpig_> $20 is a third of the price of a new game so it really isn't the amount that is the issue with me
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09:20 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
09:20  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
09:22 <@Dolemite> Well, the apple sized knot in my thigh is now just a grape sized knot
09:23 < aestetix> Does that mean you're not happy to see me, or that you had a medical thing done?
09:24 <@Dolemite> I got Lyme from a tick bite
09:24 < aestetix> ouch
09:24 <@Dolemite> So now I'm on a 2 week protocol of doxycyclene
09:24 <@shapr> yikes
09:24 <@shapr> that's scary
09:25 <@Dolemite> We went camping last weekend...  I didn't find the tick when I took a shower after we got home.   I found it the next night when taking a shower, so it was on for a minimum of 24 hours.
09:25 <@Dolemite> It took about 6 more days for symptoms to show up (Sunday), so I went to the doctor yesterday.
09:26 <@Dolemite> Yesterday it felt like I imagine it would feel if someone stabbed me in the leg.
09:26 <@Dolemite> The muscle around the bite was all constricted up into that knot
09:28 <@Dolemite> I decided to tap into that 3+ weeks of banked vacation time and take today off.
09:28 < aestetix> now you sound like a european
09:28 <@Dolemite> Do they spend the morning eating pop-tarts and re-installing Ubuntu 16.04 over 18.04?
09:29 <@Corydon76> Dolemite: day spa to get that muscle massaged back into shape?
09:29 <@Dolemite> 18.04 doesn't have packages for libav yet, which is idiotic.   I use avconv to re-encode extremely large video files down to decent sized ones.
09:30 < aestetix> isn't the standard by now to wipe clean and install the new ubuntu fresh?
09:30  * Dolemite looks up Happy Ending Day Spa
09:30 < aestetix> assuming all your important stuff is in a mounted directory
09:30 <@Dolemite> For server, I would, but this is a VM running desktop
09:31 <@Dolemite> And all the home directories are on a NAS, so it really is mostly the OS and apps itself
09:31 <@Corydon76> My standard is to buy a whole new machine and install fresh
09:31 <@Corydon76> There's always going to be files you think, "Aw, crap, I forgot to save that!"
09:32 <@Dolemite> That's why I set up automount for home directories...   no more having to remember to move stuff to a specific spot
09:34 <@Corydon76> There's also having to remember not to patch things in system directories
09:34 <@Corydon76> Or if you do, move the primary location to /home and symlink it into place
09:37 < Evilpig_> if you're a web developer should you not know the difference between a subdomain and an a record?
09:39 <@brimstone> only if you're "fullstack"
09:40 < aestetix> by which you mean a javascript programmer
09:40 < Evilpig_> this clown put in a request for "Need vumc.org subdomain pointed to AWS environment for Human Resources Department." and in the details he wants hr.vumc.org(subdomain) pointed to an AWS name
09:40 < Evilpig_> when what he really wants is the cname changed
09:51 < dasunt> I'm trying to figure out (as if there's a good reason) why Trump hired Giuliani.
09:51 < dasunt> Anyone pay attentio nto this?
09:51 < aestetix> Isn't Giuliana already Trump's cyber security czar?
09:51 <@Dolemite> Well he's already fixed the cyber
09:52 <@Dolemite> So now he's on Trump's personal dream team
09:53 <@Corydon76> dasunt: You didn't see that Trump was having trouble finding lawyers for his defense team?
09:53 <@Corydon76> Giuliani is likely one of the last ones who hasn't said "Absolutely not"
09:55 < dasunt> There's no hotshot lawyers that want to make their name on Trump's defense team?  Or is Trump just that toxic of a client?
10:00 < Evilpig_> ffs
10:05 < Evilpig_> so... anyone click on that http://hr.vumc.org link?
10:05 < PigBot> Choose language | Drupal (at hr.vumc.org) http://tinyurl.com/yccbfrca
10:06 < Evilpig_> in other words "go nuts!"
10:06 < Evilpig_> fucking morons in that office.  who the fuck sets public dns to something you havent' secured, let alone bothered to even set the fuck up?!?!
10:25 < dasunt> Evilpig_: LOL?
10:25 < Evilpig_> it's either laugh or cry
10:25 < dasunt> The "?" is for if you will be involved at all when this goes pearshaped.
10:25 < Evilpig_> not even a little
10:26 < Evilpig_> I have all my involvement documented to where it's not my problem when one of you sets up that instance
10:28 < dasunt> Why isn't CYA a college class?
10:29 < Evilpig_> it kinda was in some of mine.  but I was a business major
10:48 < dasunt> When I get bored with life and go back to school, that's one major I'd consider.
10:49 < Evilpig_> it's come in handy a few times over the years.  I still hate the econ stuff and never really understood it.
11:00 < dasunt> I really like econ.
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11:57 <@Mirage> um, wasn't ZA added in BC?  Achiev for Bear and dungeon both went under Cata listing..
12:05 < Evilpig_> can't remember, but that sounds right
12:42 <@shapr> I played WoW for almost two months, hit the level cap, got bored.
12:53 <@Mirage> Evilpig_: apparently they 'tweaked it' in Cata and changed the colors for the bear mount from Red to purple-ish
13:17 < aestetix> bye bye iran
13:18 <@Mirage> not sure how they managed, but they f'd up Mechanar and Scholomance.  Elemental dmg in boss fights in raids/dungeons his you just fine regardless of level and will kill you..even though you're 40-60 levels higher than the content
13:18 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqTEjriSeI4
13:18 < PigBot> President Donald Trump Announces His Decision On The Iran Deal At The White House | LIVE | TIME (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/yczft42j
13:22 < aestetix> yep no more iran deal
13:24 <@Mirage> it's like a train wreck..horrible to watch, but i can't stop myself
13:25 <@Mirage> wtf does his signature say..it didn't look anything like "donald trump"
13:33 <@Mirage> https://daily.jstor.org/graphology-isnt-real-science/
13:33 < PigBot> Sorry, Graphology Isn't a Real Science | JSTOR Daily (at daily.jstor.org) http://tinyurl.com/ybbbowhp
13:35 < Evilpig_> Mirage: I do recall that too.  I have both on mine
13:35 <@Mirage> you can have both?  I always just ignored the drop once i had it
13:45 < Evilpig_> yup
13:45 < Evilpig_> you can't get the old one anymore.  you had it get it from a timed run back in bc
13:45 < Evilpig_> you could still get the newer one
13:46 <@Mirage> I didn't know you could get the newer one if you already had the older one.
13:49 < Evilpig_> https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/malganis/evilpig/collections/mounts
13:49 < PigBot> Evilpig - WoW (at worldofwarcraft.com) http://tinyurl.com/ydbpatte
13:49 < Evilpig_> Amani Battle Bear / Amani War Bear
13:50 < Evilpig_> iirc war bear was the old one
13:50 <@Mirage> Ah. guess i never payed that much attention
13:52 <@Mirage> hrm..not showing in my list..but i swear the one i have is red and not purple
13:53 < Evilpig_> I always liked how that mount rode.  it wasn't as bouncy as the raptors and shit
13:55 <@shapr> misread as mount inode
13:56 <@shapr> I started playing shenzhen i/o, it's fun
13:57 <@Mirage> For a ground mount I normally use the Armored Brown Bear or the Black War Bear.   Like you said, I 'like how they ride'.
14:00 <@Mirage> I wonder if mine got screwed up from server transfer.  I know I got it back during BC
14:01 <@Mirage> Hell all anyone wanted to do was either Kara or 'Bear Run' back then
14:01 < Evilpig_> yup
14:20 <@Mirage> Not sure, but thinking about it, I believe I've done 4 server transfers on my main hunter since BC.
14:20 <@Mirage> Maybe only 3
14:20 <@Mirage> Malganis -> Detheroc -> Area52 -> Icecrown
14:38 <@ezelkow1> goddamnit fucking osx
14:39 <@ezelkow1> it seriously converts '--' to one single pretty longer '-', so it looks very similar
14:39 <@ezelkow1> but when you copy paste that it becomes one single dash
14:39 <@ezelkow1> fuck off you piece of shit OS
14:40 < Evilpig_> ezelkow1: that isn't just osx.  it's all microsoft shit too
14:40 < Evilpig_> outlook / word are the worst offenders
14:41 <@ezelkow1> yea, but generally I would expect something like notes/notepad/etc to just put in what i type and dont fuck with it
14:43 <@ezelkow1> good thing the stuff Im working with has defaults in it so it was actually doing something even though I gave it invalid input
15:30 < Evilpig_> aestetix: https://www.resetera.com/threads/nintendo-has-become-the-only-major-console-manufacturer-to-provide-no-free-method-of-back-up-saves.41045/
15:30 < PigBot> Nintendo Has Become The ONLY Major Console Manufacturer To Provide No Free Method Of Back-Up Saves | ResetEra (at www.resetera.com) http://tinyurl.com/yahs4ull
15:33 < dasunt> I'm sure it's just workplace burnout, but I just had the thought "I should become an alcoholic."
15:33 < dasunt> :(
15:37  * dasunt looks at the AD setup and is tempted.
18:32 < aestetix> Evilpig_: well then
18:32 < aestetix> so I am clearly not the target audience for this issue
18:32 < aestetix> because 1. I'm not a gamer 2. I don't use free services
18:32 < aestetix> I pay for my email, etc
18:33 < aestetix> Althugh I guess you could interpret "free backups" as being part of the service you pay for with the other consoles
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21:45 <@_NSAKEY> Evilpig_: Not clicking, but did they pull a PN18 and leave install.php laying around?
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