--- Log opened Fri May 04 00:00:30 2018 00:15 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: dasunt 00:15 -!- Netsplit over, joins: dasunt 00:24 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@24-178-141-147.dhcp.thtn.ga.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:40 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: the wot? 00:40 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has joined #se2600 00:40 <@Mirage> Dagmar: shooting at Opry 00:40 <@Dagmar> Ahh 00:41 <@Dagmar> This is why you should use Googly Maps, so you learn about traffic situations in realtime 00:41 <@Dagmar> That C130 that crashed in Savannah closed down part of the interstate, and I helped some people figure out how to get to the airport easily bypassing it 00:42 <@Dagmar> Literally, "Okay Google, navigate to the airport". ;) 00:44 <@Dagmar> I was wondering if there would be survivors for that until I saw the security cam footage that happened to catch it 00:44 <@Dagmar> Practically an 80 degree approach vector 00:47 <@Dagmar> *splat* 00:48 <@Dagmar> From the look of it they didn't have much time to prepare, either, so it's unsurprising no one just jumped the fuck out 00:52 <@Mirage> There are some really "special" people in this WoW: BfA beta 00:52 -!- K`Tetch_ [~no@24-178-141-147.dhcp.thtn.ga.charter.com] has joined #se2600 00:52 <@Mirage> I think I'm the only one testing old content as well as new. 00:53 <@Mirage> I've made 10k selling all the greens from Classic/BC/WotLK dungeons and raids...and I'm only selling them for 50g each 00:53 -!- K`Tetch [~no@unaffiliated/ktetch] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:54 <@Dagmar> I haven't had time to look into it 00:55 <@Dagmar> I barely managed to do some of the new Demon Hunter stuff 00:55 <@Dagmar> Otter keeps me pretty busy doin' stuf 00:55 <@Mirage> Like I was telling pig...I'm submitting so many bug rports about old content, profession leveling in old content, new stuff, etc that they're probably gonna ban me to get rid of the spam. 01:13 <@Dagmar> Nah they do like that stuff 01:14 <@Dagmar> If they were going to get bent out of shape about bug reports, I would have been banned a couple of expansions ago when I figured out (after seven incidents) how I was crashing the entire server 01:15 <@Dagmar> If you just were a chronic fucking tourist like me, you'd skip the initial breadcrumb flight to halfway across the continent and just go "Challenge accepted, bitches" and fight your way there 01:15 <@Dagmar> You'd get there, activate the flight point, then come back and eventually gryphon there 01:15 <@Dagmar> ...and halfway through that flight the entire server instance would fall over. 01:16 <@Dagmar> _Fixed the next day_ 01:16 <@Dagmar> It had been happening for like four days in a row 01:17 <@Dagmar> I'd login to see if the servers were stable, play for an hour and they'd "go unstable again" which was actually all me crashing the shit out of the server repeatedly 01:17 <@Dagmar> So I'd logout and try again the next day 01:18 <@Dagmar> I'd lit up pretty much every flight point on the continent from running there on foot 01:19 <@Dagmar> ...and you remember there were _several_ breadcrumb-activated flight paths 01:20 -!- cordless_ [cordless@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-zghrhwgrhimghcgq] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:20 <@Dagmar> Anyway, money is basically confetti on the test server because if nothing else you can just hand a crapton of money to one of your toons, copy it, send that money to a differerent test server toon, then delete the copy and copy it again 01:20 <@Dagmar> This is _not_ considered to be a bug 01:20 <@Dagmar> Blizz is actually totes fine with doing that 02:16 -!- k3ymkr [~KeyMaker@ec2-52-6-16-39.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:18 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wsiyhlbdcgjbbtit] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 02:20 -!- k3ymkr [~KeyMaker@ec2-52-6-16-39.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #se2600 05:00 <@_NSAKEY> Dagmar: It wasn't the traffic that was the problem. Work went on lockdown and wouldn't let us leave. 06:20 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 06:36 -!- skiboy [skiboy@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/skiboy] has joined #se2600 06:38 * aestetix hugs Dolemite 06:38 < aestetix> ok 06:38 < aestetix> is it possible to set up systemd to log to a file 06:39 < aestetix> and not the fucking syslog or the journalctl shit 06:39 < aestetix> the standardoutput directive seems to be ignored 07:16 < skiboy> aestetix: You would probably have to use a shell script. Systemd outputs to a binary format by its very nature. 07:21 < skiboy> aestetix: I may understand the rationale for it though. It's somewhat wasteful to output in a heavier text format when it is unnecessary, due to repeated information, especially when you're talking about remote logging servers for an entire company. I don't know how much space it actually saves, so don't take my word on that. 07:21 < skiboy> I'll actually pop over to the systemd channel and ask 07:33 -!- Dagmar [dagmar@unaffiliated/dagmar] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:34 -!- Dagmar [dagmar@c-69-180-254-140.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 07:34 -!- Dagmar [dagmar@c-69-180-254-140.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 07:34 -!- Dagmar [dagmar@unaffiliated/dagmar] has joined #se2600 07:34 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dagmar] by ChanServ 07:42 < aestetix> because disk space is such a precious commodity 07:42 < skiboy> aestetix: I just hopped over to the channel. They say it may be bigger or smaller, because systemd stores a lot more metadata 07:43 < aestetix> so why not give the option to disable their metadata and log the way it used to work 07:44 < skiboy> aestetix: I think it uses the information internally. 07:44 < aestetix> why 07:45 < aestetix> that's a general outrage question 07:47 <@Evilpig> asking any questions about why system-duh does the things it does is pointless 07:48 < aestetix> systemd is like the donald trump of init systems 08:09 -!- Corydon76_ [~quassel@zett.abyt.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:10 -!- Corydon76_ [~quassel@zett.abyt.es] has joined #se2600 08:10 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Corydon76_] by ChanServ 09:25 -!- Synx_hm [~Synx_hm@unaffiliated/synx-hm/x-1623004] has joined #se2600 09:25 < Synx_hm> Well that was quick had my Fi Android One Moto X4 for all of 2 days and Google/Lenovo dropped Android 8.1 to include broken USB connectivity to anything except for charging 09:26 < Synx_hm> no ADB, no MTP, no android auto 09:29 < Synx_hm> praise be i was able to use scrcpy (via ADB) to type in all my account details for all the apps before the 8.1 reboot 10:40 -!- k3ymkr [~KeyMaker@ec2-52-6-16-39.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:45 -!- k3ymkr [~KeyMaker@ec2-52-6-16-39.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #se2600 10:48 -!- k3ymkr [~KeyMaker@ec2-52-6-16-39.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:55 -!- k3ymkr [~KeyMaker@ec2-52-6-16-39.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined #se2600 11:48 -!- skiboy [skiboy@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/skiboy] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:53 -!- skiboy [skiboy@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/skiboy] has joined #se2600 11:55 -!- skiboy [skiboy@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/skiboy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:56 -!- skiboy [skiboy@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/skiboy] has joined #se2600 12:38 -!- skiboy [skiboy@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/skiboy] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:26 < dasunt> I'm surprised that I'm still surprised by how bad Office is. 13:35 < Synx_hm> the fucking excel save as csv dialog KILLS ME 13:49 <@Dagmar> "Here are several buttons you can press to generate a sub-standard CSV file" 14:26 <@Corydon76_> As long as my automated tools can parse it, it matters little how bad it is 14:26 <@Corydon76_> The more annoying thing is when I have to take a fixed width format from one system and translate it to another, especially when the second system doesn't use line terminators 14:27 <@Corydon76_> Debugging? What's that? 14:28 < aestetix> it's always fun to set up a new server and watch the failed root login attempts 14:30 <@Corydon76_> Even better if you've secured with SELinux, and you can let root login all they want. 14:30 <@Mirage> Corydon76_: you mean that thing 99% of ppl disable because they can't be bothered to figure out how to configure/use it 14:31 <@Corydon76_> Mirage: I've been tasked with learning it. It's actually pretty cool 14:31 < aestetix> Corydon76_: that's evil 14:31 < aestetix> but hilarious 14:31 <@Corydon76_> We're planning on deploying it to our freshly upgraded cloud 14:32 <@Mirage> I'm the only one in my department (automation/os/infra teams) that uses it. The other guys get annoyed by my public-facing or customer-facing servers because they are actually hardened and have security. 14:32 <@Corydon76_> aestetix: especially when they try to download an archive and are denied. And even if they manage to get software on it and run it, bind() fails. 14:33 <@Evilpig> selinux can be powerful but generally a giant pain int he ass 14:33 <@Evilpig> especially for any type of dev system 14:33 <@Corydon76_> Outgoing connections? Denied. 14:33 <@Mirage> On top of that, after almost 5yrs they _still_ get confused about `sudo su -` being blocked and having to use `sudo rootsh` 14:33 <@Corydon76_> Mirage: as opposed to 'sudo -s'? 14:35 < aestetix> Evilpig: is it worse than Apparmor? 14:36 <@Mirage> Corydon76_: read up on rootsh. it's an accountability thing. So long as they are running a command via sudo, which should get logged to /var/log/secure, then they can do it. Most of these guys log into a system and immediately do `sudo su -` before doing anything else. No accountability on who does whatever stupid shit that way. 14:37 <@Corydon76_> We're not planning on running it in strict mode on dev, just permissive, so we can see the log messages, and fix them before we deploy to production 14:38 <@Corydon76_> Mirage: Ah, yeah. I'm not permitted to do that except in very rare circumstances. Every command that I want to do privileged ought to be prefixed, so it gets logged. 14:38 <@Mirage> Corydon76_: some shit applications do goofy stuff or just won't run even on permissive. Anything Oracle can generally be expected worthless with selinux. 14:38 <@Corydon76_> And that's also helpful when something goes wrong, because if you're not the guy who got a root shell, you weren't the guy who screwed up the system. 14:39 <@Mirage> Corydon76_: rootsh logs everything, which is nice for accountability...unless you're the one that did the stupid thing someone else go to find in the logs. 14:39 <@Corydon76_> Heh 14:40 <@Corydon76_> Logs also go to another server, so if one machine gets wrecked, we have the logs to figure out how 14:40 <@Mirage> Dunno about now, but all of the RHEL5/6 servers...especially web servers..at VU had SElinux on and enforcing unless we could justify putting it in passive or disabled. 14:42 <@Corydon76_> Yes, that's our intention, as well, for production machines 14:43 <@Corydon76_> Our security polices on the perimeter are already at paranoid levels, and our intention is to apply that to all mission-critical machines. 14:44 <@Mirage> apache mod_security 14:45 <@Corydon76_> However, we're also a much smaller shop, as I'm currently the only developer, db admin, and primary sysadmin on the Linux/BSD machines 14:45 <@Corydon76_> I can't implement mod_security right now. 14:45 <@Dagmar> mod_security or bust, particularly when you've got people running whatever dirt-covered PHP scripts they found lying in a gutter 14:46 <@Corydon76_> It's especially difficult to start a new regime, when you're also the front line guy to put out fires 14:47 <@Dagmar> You can cull the mod_security rules down to just the ones used for snuffing impossibly stupid or obviously malicious queries 14:47 <@Corydon76_> There's no appreciation for you having your mind 9 levels deep, when "Site's down!" 14:47 <@Dagmar> You probably want to do that anyway because there's no sense in preventing IIS attacks against an Apache server 14:48 <@Corydon76_> Or what I just fixed yesterday, Amazon breaking one of their well-documented APIs, and the replacement is a poorly documented API 14:49 <@Mirage> mod_security and SElinux both have pretty much the same love/hate relationship. They can be a pain on the front end getting custom rules, etc in place..but once you've bent them to your will they're awesome 14:49 <@Corydon76_> Who the fuck thought recording a Youtube video was the right way to document an API? 14:50 <@Dagmar> lol 14:51 <@Corydon76_> They have this new concept called "shipping templates", but then their documentation implies that you need to upload an Excel file. No problem, I've got tools to create and upload Excel files in an automated way. Well, no, they actually meant to say that you need to save the Excel sheet as tab-delimited text. 14:52 <@Corydon76_> That was explained in the Youtube video, but was nowhere else in the documentation. 14:56 <@Corydon76_> And if you saw my post on FB this morning, that was in reference to a KnowBe4 module 14:56 <@Corydon76_> Why I'm being enrolled in that BS training, I haven't a clue 15:17 < aestetix> god this is funny 15:17 < aestetix> I've been watching police interrogation videos of pedophiles caught in that Chris Hanson show 15:17 < aestetix> it's so funny watching them try to defend themselves and then the police throw the book at them 15:18 <@Corydon76_> Not that I have any sympathy for them, but that's also why you never talk to the police. 15:18 < aestetix> yep 15:18 < aestetix> they are all too stupid to know that 15:18 <@Corydon76_> Let your lawyer do the talking and you can explain yourself in court. 15:19 < aestetix> So they are already sick fucks because of what they got caught trying to do 15:19 < aestetix> And then listening to their ridiculous stories trying to explain themselves 15:20 < aestetix> The best is when they think they are being smooth talkers and about to get to go home 15:21 < aestetix> and then the police say they are taking them to the jail for processing 15:21 <@Corydon76_> I honestly don't understand the utility of having released such videos 15:21 < aestetix> and getting to see their face drop 15:22 -!- Corydon76_ [~quassel@zett.abyt.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:22 <@Corydon76> Weird, didn't realize I had two of these running 15:23 < aestetix> Corydon76: I have no idea. Someone released a bunch of them apparently in the last year or two 15:24 <@Corydon76> Some minor entertainment value, at the possible cost of educating pedophiles what not to say to the cops 15:24 < aestetix> They are actually a little bit like watching a Final Destination movie. You get to watch in suspense as a completely despicable numbnuts gets what's coming. 15:24 < aestetix> s/suspence/anticipation 15:27 < aestetix> There is one video where this idiot basically admits everything, and at the end of it asks for a lawyer 15:27 < aestetix> I mean how dumb can you be 16:05 -!- crashcartpro [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ubvpusmapltkpaly] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 16:40 -!- crashcartpro [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qxjfqzyyjnnjrwsv] has joined #se2600 16:58 -!- Synx_hm [~Synx_hm@unaffiliated/synx-hm/x-1623004] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:48 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-azvbjydynogyladd] has joined #se2600 20:08 -!- Warcop [~josh@mobile-166-173-251-71.mycingular.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:50 -!- crashcartpro [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qxjfqzyyjnnjrwsv] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] --- Log closed Sat May 05 00:00:32 2018