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06:26 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:27  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
08:04 <@Corydon76> Dolemite: did you see my photo on Facebook?
08:04 <@Dolemite> What photo would that be?
08:06 <@Corydon76> The breaker I removed from service last night.
08:06 <@Dolemite> ah, yes
08:07 <@Corydon76> Never knew metal could char like that.
08:07 <@Dolemite> It can look much uglier after a high voltage arc flash
08:25 <@Dolemite> Good thing it didn't damage the bus, as you stated in your post
08:29 <@Corydon76> Right
08:30 <@Corydon76> I guess either dryers don't pull the same amperage from both legs, or else the breaker's materials may have been faulty.
08:31 <@Corydon76> Though if the breaker was original, it had been in service for over 30 years.
08:51 <@Dolemite> Well the wiring or plug could have a short from line to neutral, which would cause an arc on that one leg, rather than both.
09:04 <@Dolemite> Given that you had a fault, I'd take apart the plug and make sure that you have good connection in it and no stray strands of wiring between the lugs.
09:04 < aestetix> did you guys see the new amendments in the Damore lawsuit against google?
09:05 <@Corydon76> Dolemite: I had previously had to replace the dryer cord and outlet, due to a lovely burn mark seen on the previous dryer cord.
09:06 <@Corydon76> Actually, I think I had to replace the dryer cord twice, the second time replacing the outlet at the same time.
09:06 <@Corydon76> So that was likely the time that the breaker started to degrade
09:15 <@Dolemite> yep, likely culprit
09:45 < aestetix> I'm listening to trump's new interview with fox and friends
09:45 < aestetix> how does he ramble on so long
09:45 < aestetix> he's basically spitting out random words
09:47 <@Corydon76> aestetix: go rewatch David Frost's interviews with Richard Nixon.
09:47 <@Corydon76> Frost tried doing extensive interviews, but he only managed 1 question for the first 2 interviews, because Nixon managed to ramble on for several hours.
09:48 < aestetix> Didn't the only air the last part of it?
09:48 < aestetix> they*
09:48 <@Corydon76> The 3rd interview went better, but only because Frost managed to throw Nixon off his game, and he never got back his rhythm
09:48 < aestetix> IIRC he had 2-3 days of interviews, and the first days were rambling
09:48 < aestetix> At least, assuming the movie Frost/Nixon is accurate
09:49 <@Corydon76> Yep.  Tried and true method of politicians who want to appear open, but not really answer any questions.
09:49 < aestetix> Although it's not really a fair comparison
09:49 < aestetix> Nixon was a deeply introverted intellectual
09:49 < aestetix> Trump is..... I'm not really sure.
09:50 < aestetix> and Trump has now accused Comey of fabricating the memos. This will be fun.
09:50 <@Corydon76> Nixon was a politician who got caught doing really shady shit.  Trump, same thing.
09:50 < aestetix> I'm referring to the individual, not the role.
09:51 <@Corydon76> You think being an intellectual has anything to do with the technique of obscuring by talking?
09:51 <@Mirage> Corydon76: I was having goofy brownouts and all sort of strange problems in my house on Ocala.  Finally called the power company to come disconnect the meter outside the house and replaced ALL the breakers in the box, including the main, and torqued down all the connections.   Had them come hook me back up and never had any other problems.   There were several places where there were scorch marks on the blades where the breakers connect.
09:51 < aestetix> Do you think Trump is actually aware of his rambling?
09:51 <@Corydon76> aestetix: sounds like a Turing problem
09:52 < aestetix> heh
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09:52 <@Corydon76> If an idiot masters a technique that is used by masters, is there any functional difference between the application by a master and the application by an idiot?
09:54  * aestetix sighs
09:55 <@Corydon76> Mirage: sounds rather like what I was experiencing.  Sometimes, after resetting the breaker, the dryer would work for a time, and then inexplicably stop working
09:56 <@Mirage> In my experience the answer is:  yes, when something doesn't work 100% like it is expected to the idiots tend to fail and do erratic things trying to correct the problem because they only understand the doing, not why you do it that way
09:59 <@Mirage> Corydon76: That house on Ocala also was old enough that all the 220 runs used aluminum wiring, which is notorious for bad connection problems.
09:59 <@Dolemite> yeah, aluminum wiring is shit
09:59 <@Corydon76> Isn't the bus in a breaker box aluminum?
10:00 <@Corydon76> It's definitely not silver, copper, or gold, the 3 best conductors
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10:01 <@Dolemite> brass for the higher quality ones
10:02 <@Mirage> On older ones there's no telling either.
10:05 <@Corydon76> Aluminum is #4 on conductivity.  Brass is down at #7.
10:06 <@Corydon76> If the brass is reduced to 10% zinc, it rises, but it's still below aluminum
10:08 <@Dolemite> It is too soft, though
10:08 <@Dolemite> It's not just about conductivity
10:12 < xray> as with all things engineering, it's technical https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminum_building_wiring
10:12 < PigBot> Aluminum building wiring - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/yd7mnvfk
10:13 < xray> simple solution. Use copper wiring.
10:15 <@Evilpig> well that stinks.  but it's cheaper than buying new ones.  my repair with nintendo for the joycon will be $10
10:16 <@Corydon76> xray: I'm not sure how relevant that is, since the wiring in use here is copper.  It's just the bus and breakers which are likely using aluminum contacts
10:29 <@Corydon76> Doing some reading.  Looks like the bus bar is either tin plated aluminum or silver flash plated copper.
10:29 <@Mirage> Aluminum in the box shouldn't be as much of a problem because the connections should be flat. I wouldn't think the blades the breakers slide onto would be aluminum, but I don't see why the main bus being aluminum would really be a problem.
10:29 <@Corydon76> It's really difficult to find, given that the panel itself is obsolete.
10:30 <@Corydon76> But I suspect it's the former, tin-plated aluminum
13:35 <@Evilpig> oh noes.  officer neil brown fromt he irs is calling me
13:39 <@Mirage> probably calling to verify your ssn, full name, address, etc on you return
13:39 <@Corydon76> Scammers seem to be out in force this week
13:40 <@Corydon76> They tried a different scam on me on Tuesday.
13:41 <@Corydon76> I asked for corroboration, and they sent me the most amateurish Word document I've ever seen in my life.
13:43 <@Evilpig> my favorite was last week I got a call from at&t telling me my phone account was suspended and it was a call to verify something and reactivate
13:43 <@Evilpig> it asked for the last 4 of my social, and my at&t pin
13:47 <@Mirage> i always like fucking with the dumbasses calling and claiming that my computer is infected and 'leaking' my private information.  It's generally amusing when i start grilling them on what all the information is.  they've started getting wiser and just hand up when they ask my name and i tell them they should already have it since they called me and all my information is supposedly being 'leaked'
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14:06 <@Evilpig> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dOGBmTfhLA
14:06 <@Evilpig> that's neat
14:06 < PigBot> DEEMO Switch version is fun! (at www.youtube.com) http://tinyurl.com/yad9p3at
14:23 < TheDukh> So, just got hit with an interview assessment test question that's extremely different than anything else I'd ever seen:  Describe XSS and CSRF to as 12 yr old.
14:26 <@Evilpig> explain it as a 12 yr old?
14:27 < TheDukh> ack, typo.  "explain it to as 12 yr old"
14:27 <@Evilpig> did you just look at him confused.  I don't think I know any 12 year olds that would know was xss is
14:27 < TheDukh> that's the point
14:27 <@brimstone> https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/1mpyeb/eli5_xss_cross_site_scripting_attacks_what_makes/ ?
14:27 < PigBot> ELI5: XSS (Cross Site Scripting) Attacks & What Makes A Webpage Vulnerable To The Attack? : explainlikeimfive (at www.reddit.com) http://tinyurl.com/ya24vall
14:28 < TheDukh> how would you get them to understand
14:29 <@Evilpig> give them a dollar to go away
14:29 < TheDukh> lol
14:29 <@Evilpig> my answer would probably be closer to "if I am going to be in a position to explain technical operations to a child, then I clearly responded to the wrong job listing."
14:30 < TheDukh> Well, the job has a small percentage where you would have to explain security issues to other developers about why the change is being made, hence the treating them like children analogy
14:31 < xray> not necessarily. I recently needed to explain some complex infosec ideas to some legislators.
14:31 < xray> Lets just say they didn't handle it well.
14:31 <@Evilpig> you can explain complex shit to dullards easier with pictures 
14:32 < xray> Sometimes it is difficult to come up with a picture that works. Do you have a picture that explains honesty?
14:33 <@Evilpig> I recently tried to explain to some of our in house devs why js injection is very bad and they should not have sat on this for the last several months.
14:33 <@Evilpig> the vulnerability is still present... :-/
14:35 < TheDukh> I once heard of a CISO who implemented a rule that if people let stuff fall outside the range of SLA, they would get a Rock Bottom
15:08 < aestetix> so uh
15:08 < aestetix> when is ubuntu 18.04 supposed to drop?
15:20 < Synx_hm> i read some review today just assumed it hit today i guess thats not the case?
15:20 < aestetix> it's not on their site
15:21 <@Corydon76> It won't be on their site, until the iso hits all of their mirrors
15:21 < aestetix> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2018-April/date.html
15:21 < PigBot> The ubuntu-announce April 2018 Archive by date (at lists.ubuntu.com) http://tinyurl.com/ybupraq2
15:21 < aestetix> it's also not announced here yet
15:22 <@Corydon76> No, it's not.  But if you know where to look, you'll find it on the mirrors.
15:59 < TheDukh> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/989198118666162176
15:59 < PigBot> Elon Musk on Twitter: "Oh btw I’m building a cyborg dragon" (at twitter.com) http://tinyurl.com/y7namcst
17:48 < Synx_hm> i want to have the musk of musk so bad
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19:46 <@opticron> is that a new cologne?
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