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06:28 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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07:14 <@Evilpig> replacing the joycon fixed the problem 100% so now to open a case with nintendo
07:15 <@Dolemite> Yeah, we had to send our first set of joycons back to Nintendo for replacement due to bad motion sensors
07:21  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:21 < aestetix> you have a switch?
07:21 < aestetix> did either of you get labo?
07:22 <@Evilpig> not yet
07:22 <@Evilpig> synx did and said he was enjoying it
07:23 < aestetix> I wonder if anyone has used the switch for bondage
09:15 < dasunt> Yes.
09:30 < xray> https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/04/the-unpatchable-exploit-that-makes-every-current-nintendo-switch-hackable/
09:30 < PigBot> The “unpatchable” exploit that makes every current Nintendo Switch hackable [Updated] | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com) http://tinyurl.com/ybwdpdkh
09:46 <@Evilpig> that's nice
10:01 < aestetix> https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/bezos-says-that-when-pee-tape-is-released-it-will-be-free-for-all-amazon-prime-members
10:01 < PigBot> Bezos Says That When Pee Tape is Released it Will Be Free for All Amazon Prime Members | The New Yorker (at www.newyorker.com) http://tinyurl.com/yafa42z8
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10:20 < Synx_hm> how have i been asleep at the wheel just now heard about fusee gelee terga x1 hack
10:21 < Synx_hm> homebrew full speed ahead for the switch yay
10:21 < Synx_hm> maybe finally i can backup my fucking game saves
10:22 <@Evilpig> that's what i'm looking forward to as well
10:26 < ^020d> I'm behind on the home-brew stuff, haven't done anything since putting it on my Gamecube.  Has there been progress on archiving in-game purchases once the online services are shut off?  Like say a few years from now I finally pick up a Wii-U and Smash Bros but I can't buy Corrin and Bayonetta characters anymore.
10:27 < Synx_hm> of that i dont know sorry my last homebrew was Wii about 10 years ago
10:28 < ^020d> Just hate seeing content disappear forever these days.
10:29 < Synx_hm> ya
10:30 < Synx_hm> im also curious if nintendo is going to be able to implement some sort of bootloader checksum or what and ban online/eshop access
10:30 <@Evilpig> they did for the 3ds 
10:30 < Synx_hm> pig you know anything about the coming pay online services, i assume it will be exactly like it is now we just have to pay to play online which i am not thrilled about
10:30 <@Evilpig> but if you just use a custom boot to backup / restore content I doubt they can do anyhting about that
10:31 <@Evilpig> Synx_hm: the only thing I have heard for sure is that they are going the route of playstation and giving away games each month for having the subscription
10:31 < Synx_hm> i have not read the full paper yet but from the few githubs i looked at i think people are just writing to ram? at the moment, it sounds like one of the eprom fuses was burned at the factory to prevent actual bootrom write?
10:31 < Synx_hm> ahh cool
10:31 < ^020d> From the blog on the release it looks like you can keep it all on an SD card and boot it with the little shorting out the pins on the Switch side hack
10:31 < Synx_hm> i mean seeing as how they aren't actually doing all of anything arn't all the games P2P online play
10:32 < Synx_hm> ahh so its a chip jump to x address bypass sort of thing that makes much more sense
10:32 < ^020d> There's an unconnected home button on the right edge of the switch, the hack just shorts 2 pins so you're holding the button down when it boots
10:32 < Synx_hm> why the fuck would that be exposed on the joycon header lol
10:32 < Synx_hm> and if i understand it correctly its a documented in the terga x1 dev guide "feature"
10:33 < ^020d> That's why they notified google 90 days ago
10:34 < ^020d> Same hack should work on other stuff
10:34 < Synx_hm> kinda related, ive been working on hardware hacking the nest cameras and dropcam/nest peeps did some neat trickery to block UART input during the boot cycle negating the ability to drop to bootloader and change the kernel boot parmeters to get root
10:35 < ^020d> I'm muddying the water here.  There's several hacks being used in a chain.  Switch console has a sorta "recovery mode" you can boot into if you hold an impossible button combination.  The little 3d printed dongle shorts the pins allowing a non existent "Home" button press.  Then there's the booter hack which is a whole other thing.
10:36 < Synx_hm> ahh
10:36 < Synx_hm> to failsafe boot strap then use the other hack to inject pointer or something to new location of boot code
10:36 < ^020d> Sumthin like that
10:38 < ^020d> But there's some steps with a USB host and transferring stuff over to it, that maybe just for linux booting
10:38 < Synx_hm> ya a length overflow in USB signalgin
10:49 < Synx_hm> where can i get a pixel 2xl for cheaper than 700 good lord
10:52 <@Evilpig> I know a guy with a truck that things just "fall" off of
10:58 <@Mirage> isn't that your truck whenever NL borrows it?
10:59 <@Corydon76> https://swappa.com/buy/google-pixel-2-xl
10:59 < PigBot> Buy used Pixel 2 XL | Swappa (at swappa.com) http://tinyurl.com/y7rzpqn5
11:00 <@Corydon76> I've previously sold stuff on Swappa.  Flat fee is a much better deal than a percentage, like on ebay.
11:00 <@opticron> yeah, I was just about to suggest that, too
11:00 <@opticron> 625 on swappa is your best bet
11:04 < Synx_hm> bummer
11:07 <@opticron> p2xl is just stupid expensive
11:08 <@opticron> wife loves hers, though
11:11 <@Evilpig> I'd like to get one but I just paid my 6P off 
11:12 <@Evilpig> gonna swap the battery on it and try to keep it alive for another two years
11:13 <@opticron> yeah, I'm swapping the battery on my og pixel as soon as I get close to a ubreakifix
11:13 <@opticron> it's already shitting the bed
11:13 <@Evilpig> mine has been flakey around 30% so it's time.  I can swap it myself but it's sucha  pain
11:13 <@Mirage> wow.. https://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/sop/d/commodore-vicfloppy-disk/6563465915.html
11:13 < PigBot> Commodore VIC-1541 5.25" Floppy Disk Drive for Commodore 64 - computer parts - by owner - electronics sale (at dallas.craigslist.org) http://tinyurl.com/yd3zommt
11:20 < Synx_hm> my nexus 6 is at the end of its life
11:20 < Synx_hm> already dumped $100 into a new screen
11:20 < Synx_hm> and its cracked again :(
11:20 < Synx_hm> not worth it to fix again
11:20 <@Evilpig> maybe you should just stop breaking it.  ;)
11:21 < xray> wish they made otter box cases for google phones
11:21 <@Evilpig> I got some cheapy case that has a stand on it, but I don't think it would survive much of a drop
11:22 < Synx_hm> Evilpig, agreed
11:22 <@Evilpig> it's time for me to head over to DQ for my five buck lunch and the new batman - ninja movie
11:28 <@opticron> xray, the situation is getting better for the pixels
13:00 < Synx_hm> cant google go ahead and announce the damn pixel 3 already so i can get a 2xl on the cheap
13:01 <@Evilpig> they're about to get out of the phone game
13:01 <@Evilpig> they've been in it too long.
13:03 <@shapr> I'll hang onto my heirloom pixel 2
13:04 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: How was the Batman Ninja movie?
13:05  * opticron will probably upgrade to the pixel 3 when it comes out
13:26 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: i'm enjoying it
13:26 <@Evilpig> it even has a surprise cameo by voltron.  kinda.  LOL
13:29 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: robin has a monkey.  rofl
13:29 <@Dolemite> I would if I could
13:31 <@Evilpig> catwoman has a line in here that just set up a great sequel too.  catwoman to harley quinn "time for some girl on girl action"
13:31 <@Evilpig> pretty sure that rule 34 already exists though
13:37 <@_NSAKEY> Evilpig: It's rule 34. I'm pretty sure Venom-themed tentacle porn exists, too.
13:45 <@Dolemite> Pretty sure I've already got a parody XXX of catwoman and harley...   or at least, it's in my imagination
13:45 <@shapr> https://doublepulsar.com/hijack-of-amazons-internet-domain-service-used-to-reroute-web-traffic-for-two-hours-unnoticed-3a6f0dda6a6f
13:45 < PigBot> Hijack of Amazon’s internet domain service used to reroute web traffic for two hours unnoticed (at doublepulsar.com) http://tinyurl.com/ybsuw5ur
14:44 < dasunt> Huh.  Thinking of a Moto X4.
14:44 < dasunt> Which is about $100 - $150 more than I'd like to pay for a cell phone.
14:58 < xray> What is Motorola's Android patching record?
14:59 < xray> I have found that they only vendor that reliable patches Android is Google.
14:59 <@shapr> vendors kinda piss me off
14:59 < xray> agreed
14:59 <@shapr> like, I don't need a vendor to patch linux
14:59 <@shapr> unless it's on a phone
14:59 < xray> exactly
15:00 < xray> Pretty much any device that runs Android that isn't purchased from Google is vulnerable the day you buy it and will only get more vulnerable the longer you own it.
15:01 < xray> If it doesn't run a Linux version I can patch, I don't buy it.
15:02 < xray> If it runs Android, I only buy it from Google.
15:02 < xray> </rant>
15:04 <@shapr> I feel like I'm  finally living up to my old guy curmudgeoness
15:06 < xray> in the Navy my unit had the attitude "work it must, look it may". We sacrificed pretty for it works.
15:07 < xray> That doesn't mean we didn't keep things squared away. We just didn't put up with equipment that looked pretty but wouldn't perform reliably.
15:31 < dasunt> xray: It's not great.  Not horrible either.
15:32 < xray> I seem to recall an article saying Motorola is better than most about patching.
15:32 < dasunt> I think the whole mobile phone field is pretty shitty unless you are spendign close to a thousand on a phone.  Which is a little expensive, tbh.
15:32 < xray> But I could be wrong.
15:33 < dasunt> xray: They have done updates from one version of Android to another, which is better than some.
15:33 < dasunt> I should see if there's if one of the third party images will run on it.
15:34 < xray> Since the manufacturers/phone companies have trained users to buy new hardware every 18 months, what is there incentive to patch?
15:35 < dasunt> I kind of wish the manufacturers on the lower end would actually have featuers I want.
15:35 < dasunt> I don't think it's that unreasonable to want headphone jack, memory slot, IPX7 or IPX8, and something that's close to stock android.
15:37 < xray> IPX7 and a headphone jack seem mutually exclusive. Is there any vendor that meets that?
15:37 < dasunt> Moto G3 had that.
15:37 < xray> Interesting
15:37 < xray> I wonder how they pulled that off
15:37 < dasunt> Making a water resistant headphone jack isn't that difficult.
15:37 < dasunt> Unless you are Apple.
15:37 < xray> I suppose a jack that is sealed at the bottom like power jacks
15:38 < dasunt> Actually the X4 also has a 3.5mm jack.
15:38 < dasunt> And that's IP67.
15:38 < xray> You can buy them http://ecogroup.en.alibaba.com/product/60579298988-802998344/IPX7_smd_3_5mm_waterproof_stereo_earphone_jack_TWP_3001DS.html
15:38 < PigBot> IPX7 smd 3.5mm waterproof stereo earphone jack TWP-3001DS, View IPX7 waterproof stereo jack, FOXECO Product Details from Dongguan Foxeco Electronics Co., Ltd. on Alibaba.com (at ecogroup.en.alibaba.com) http://tinyurl.com/ycovxn63
15:39 < xray> so there is no excuse
15:39 < dasunt> Apple still used it as an excuse to kill the headphone jack.
15:40 < dasunt> I seem to recall that the real problem was radio interference on the analog audio circuit, but that was just a rumor.
15:40 <@shapr> I'd be fine without a headphones jack, if bluetooth could easily do lossless encoding
15:40 < xray> here's another and there are lots more https://www.smk.co.jp/products/series_outline/Mini_Jacks/?karamu=seihin_mei&sort=asc&no=10&youto=null&tp=0&version=en&sid=13280&
15:40 < PigBot> JK-35WP Series | 3.5mm Dia. Mini Jack (Waterproof Type) | Mini Jacks｜products_series_outline (at www.smk.co.jp) http://tinyurl.com/y9f7ss75
15:40 < xray> Apple lied and your surprised?
15:41 <@opticron> xray, moto patch record was good before lenovo bought them, shitty/random afterward iirc
15:42 < dasunt> tbh, I probably would have no problem using bluetooth headsets, other than occasionally breaking them.
15:45 < dasunt> Also, half tempted to pick up the latest Moto E, and if I accidentally get it wet, oh well.
15:47 < xray> I used methods I learned in the Navy to recover equipment submerged in salt water and diesel fuel to recover a Blackberry dropped in the toilet.
15:47 < xray> No, I didn't use rice.
15:48 <@Corydon76> You used a dessicant like calcium chloride?
15:49 < xray> No, although that is used in some cases.
15:49 <@Corydon76> It's the active ingredient in DampRid.  Also useful for melting ice.
15:50 < xray> Remove the battery and SIMM
15:50 < xray> since it was fresh water (the toilet had been flushed)
15:51 < xray> I thoroughly rinsed the phone inside and out with low mineral content tap water. If I was really being true to the method I would use demineralized water.
15:52 < xray> Put the phone on a cookie sheet in the oven. Stuck a wooden spoon in the door so it wouldn't shut all the way and set the oven for bake on the lowest temperature.
15:54 < xray> I left it like that for over three hours. This drove all the moisture out of the phone. High mineral content water can leave mineral content behind that can cause impedance problems for high impedance circuits. Not necessarily a measurable short.
15:54 < xray> Put the SIMM and battery back in and booted the phone.
15:54 < xray> You have to use and oven that stays under about 180 degrees.
15:55 < xray> Technically it can be as hot as 80% of the max temp rating of any materials used to make the phone.
15:55 < xray> Lather, Rinse, Repeat.
15:55 < xray> Meaning use the same process on the next electronic device you drop in water.
15:55 <@Corydon76> I'm guessing you also need to put the cookie sheet as far away as possible from the heating element
15:56 < xray> Yes.
15:56 <@Corydon76> And not use a gas oven, as gas ovens introduce moisture
15:56 < xray> Always used an electric so I don't know
15:56 <@Corydon76> Hydrocarbons burned produce carbon dioxide and water
15:57 < xray> In one case I used heated desiccant in a vacuum but that was a special case.
15:57 <@Corydon76> So if you're going for a dry environment, gas is not good
16:00 < Synx_hm> aside, doesn't google have a version of the x4 with android one
16:01 < Synx_hm> and its ip68 and has 3.5mm jack
16:03 <@opticron> https://www.motorola.com/us/products/moto-x-gen-4-android-one
16:03 < PigBot> moto x⁴ Android One - Project Fi phone | motorola US (at www.motorola.com) http://tinyurl.com/y8enoeyr
16:04 <@opticron> I really hope google sticks with the smaller pixel
16:08 < Synx_hm> also project fi has by one get one free credit i think (so i guess credit on monthly bill?) on the x4 when you activate two lines
16:12 < dasunt> WTF is California going with smart license plates?
16:12 < dasunt> $699 for the plate.  $7 monthly fee.
16:12 < Synx_hm> ugh
16:12 < dasunt> https://www.10news.com/news/smart-license-plates-hitting-california-roads
16:12 < PigBot> Smart license plates hitting California roads - 10News.com KGTV-TV San Diego (at www.10news.com) http://tinyurl.com/yblvfev8
16:12 < dasunt> I'm guessing it'll be cracked within 24 hours of being sold to the general public.
16:13 < Synx_hm> if i can send the asshole behind me a message to lick my taint im in
16:15 < Synx_hm> "you want the coolest iphone, you want the coolest plate, make my car look great"
16:15 < dasunt> You can.  Until some thief steals your plate and hacks it to display whatever number they want.
16:15 < Synx_hm> really dude
16:15 < xray> https://fi.google.com/about/phones/#android-one-moto-x4
16:15 < PigBot> Phones compatible with Project Fi – Project Fi (at fi.google.com) http://tinyurl.com/gpabk9z
16:16 < dasunt> I also love the $7/monthly fee for users, but OMG, the state will save postage mailing out new tabs.
16:16 < xray> It runs Android N MR 1 (7.1.1)
16:16 < dasunt> Like any sane person would rather pay $94/year instead of a little more per tab at the DMV to cover the additional S&H fee.
16:16 < Synx_hm> xray, i noticed that, how does that work with android ones promise of 2 years of os updates?
16:16 < Synx_hm> or is that 2 years of security updates only?
16:20 < dasunt> Who is on project fi right now?
16:21 < Synx_hm> Evilpig is, and i think somebody else as well i hope to be soon
16:21 < xray> My wifes Nexus 5 is still getting updates
16:21 < dasunt> Hmmmmm.
16:21 < xray> It is not using Fi but we bought the phone from Google so the patches come from Google.
16:21 < dasunt> I've looked at VOIP solutions, but haven't gone that route yet.
16:23 < Synx_hm> google voice is beta testing some voip only setup i think
16:24 < Synx_hm> xray, not OS updates through right just security patches, my nexus 6 also gets security patches but didn't get the update to oreo
16:24 < xray> This says they can't "guarantee" updates after 3 years from when the device became available on the Google store or 18 months after they last sold them on the Google store.
16:24 < xray> So they could drop all support but so far they haven't
16:25 < Synx_hm> ahh so they must be meaning security only not that you'll get updated to the latest android version
16:26 < xray> Her nexus 5 is running 8.1.0
16:26 < xray> This says that is Oreo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history
16:27 < PigBot> Android version history - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org) http://tinyurl.com/7hxc4hh
16:30 < Synx_hm> xray oh shit
16:32 < Synx_hm> xray, makes me sad google abandon the nexus 6 so damn fast
16:34 < Synx_hm> why do i want the pixel 2xl so bad, all i do on my phone is message and watch youtube and read news though id love to take more photos but my camera is too damn slow to be useful i need to convince myself the x4 is perfect for what i need
16:39 <@opticron> the 2xl has a damn nice camera
16:54 <@Mirage> I like TX plates..they're permanent until/unless the owner transfers them to another vehicle.  For registration renewal you just go get an inspection at your local jiffy lube or whichever, then go to just about any grocery store to pay and get your new window sticker for the next year.
17:09 < dasunt> I've never had an inspection on a vehicle I've owned.  It sounds so damn weird.
17:33 < Synx_hm> socali for a number of years had roving road side emissions sniffers, they'd do a quick check on cars passing by flag them then pull them over to a road side dyno for a full emissions test
17:43 <@shapr> dasunt: I like it, keeps dangerous cars off the road
18:16 <@Mirage> OK did away with inspections.   They've tried to pass that in TX recently also, but the association of whatever the fuck ppl run the "inspections only" places petitioned against it because they go out of business and all those people would lose their jobs.
18:34 < Synx_hm> im agnostic to it, mostly because i have a car that cant pass visual inspection not because its unsafe and also not a gross polluter ive had it tested but its heavily modified and cant pass the visual inspection so its a major pain in the ass for me
18:35 < Synx_hm> i can see the positives of it especially keeping grossly unsafe vehicles off the road though
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23:17 < K`Tetch> UK has really strict inspections 9called MOTs), as a result, a car over 10 years old is generally a 'beater' (my car is 17yo, has 107k miles and is almost immaculate). It's also the only acar I've ever had inspected, because It used to be a friends (from new) and we borrowed it after our car of the time therw a rod, so because it was cobb registered, we needed to get emissions done.
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