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06:22 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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06:56  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:04 <@Corydon76> Morning, kids
07:07 < aestetix> hi Corydon76
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07:22 <@Corydon76> Greetings and salutations on thys fine day, the day in which we art constrained to speaketh like Shakespeare.
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08:27 < aestetix> Corydon76: hanging out at a ren faire?
08:27 <@Corydon76> No.  It 's William Shakespeare's birthday.
08:27 < aestetix> oh
08:29 <@Corydon76> Or death-day, anyway.  His birthday is lost to time.
08:35 < aestetix> Corydon76: what's your opinion of the Edward de Vere theory?
08:35 <@Corydon76> I don't have one.
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09:48  * dasunt just asked himself why right wing nutjobs had such crazy beliefs, but that's by definition, isn't it?
09:49 < aestetix> same reason left wing nutjobs have such crazy beliefs
09:49 < aestetix> they are nutjobs :p
09:49 <@shapr> nutjobs
09:49 < dasunt> Nutjobs.
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09:50 < dasunt> There has to be an overlap between conspiracy theorists and schizophrenia.
09:50 < dasunt> Or at least the thought processes that lead to schizophrenia.
09:53 < dasunt> It's the same obsession with all details have to be important.
09:54 < aestetix> man
09:54 < aestetix> have you met anyone who is schizophrenic?
09:54 < aestetix> it's so fucking wierd
09:55 < dasunt> aestetix: Yes I have.
09:55 < aestetix> in SF, I remember there was this girl.... she was doing her phd in physics or something, and went insane, and got committed. Escaped from the hospital, and wound up at noisebridge
09:56 < dasunt> It's like some sort of filter disappears.  Van they don't remember seeing in the neighborhood?  OMG it's _______!
09:56 < aestetix> I decided to go see what it was like... and tried to make sense out of what she was saying. it was like 99% of it made sense, but there was 1% of a missing link that made me go wtf
09:57 < aestetix> She even had a website she put up, that was full of wierd fragments of things
09:58 < dasunt> LOL, speaking of nutjobs, pulled up Boing Boing and they had an article on the last Americans holding out atgainst same-sex marriage.  Image graphic has two states marked:  Alabama and Mississippi.
10:00 < aestetix> boingboing is an example of a group that's gone pretty far left :(
10:01 < dasunt> True, but they are citing a Pew poll that shows MS having more opposed to marriage equality than in favor of it, and in AL, the majority is opposed.
10:02 < aestetix> makes me sad because I used to avidly read boingboing
10:02 < dasunt> It really doesn't bother me.
10:02 < aestetix> now they have less cool projects, and more political crap
10:03 <@Corydon76> The difference between schizophrenics and conspiracy theorists is that schizophrenics generally agree that medication does them some good.
10:03 < dasunt> Corydon76: LOL.
10:03 < aestetix> heh
10:04 < dasunt> aestetix: Now CNN's bias annoys the hell out of me.  I get that they hate Trump, but it badly skews their reporting.
10:04 < aestetix> dasunt: same here
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10:04 < aestetix> The only american news orgs I can really read anymore are NPR and the WSJ
10:04 < aestetix> everything else has gone full propaganda, imho
10:04 < Synx_hm> hey who was i chatting with about google fi and google voice a month or so ago?
10:05 < Synx_hm> Dagmar or Dolemite perhaps?
10:05 < aestetix> NPR is left-biased, but they always have opposing views
10:06 < dasunt> aestetix: Why not Christian Science Monitor?
10:07 < aestetix> oh hmmm good point, maybe I should read that more. The articles I've read there in the past have been good
10:12 < aestetix> oh man
10:12 < aestetix> http://www.gocomics.com/claybennett/2017/03/07
10:12 < PigBot> Clay Bennett - Clay Bennett by Clay Bennett for Mar 7, 2017 | Read Comic Strips at GoComics.com (at www.gocomics.com) http://tinyurl.com/y8w6mbg4
10:18 < dasunt> CSM is always good.  AJE was good, but I don't even know if they exist anymore.
10:18 <@Evilpig> Synx_hm: I use google fi
10:18 < aestetix> dasunt: but yeah, otherwise, I have to limit it to smaller blogs
10:18 < aestetix> which is actually ok
10:19 < dasunt> Also, speaking of good reads:  https://www.themarshallproject.org/2018/04/19/framed-for-murder-by-his-own-dna
10:19 < PigBot> How DNA Transfer Framed Lukis Anderson for Murder | The Marshall Project (at www.themarshallproject.org) http://tinyurl.com/yb46hvwu
10:19 < Synx_hm> Evilpig, you win! sprint is ditching google voice integration at the end of the month, so, instead of porting my GV number back to sprint im going to leave sprint im torn between Fi and T-Mobile at the moment (TM has a large discount for Mil running right now and i dont have to get my spouse a new phone if i go to them) but i will be choosing soon
10:19 < dasunt> I should set up google voice some day.
10:25 <@shapr> it's handy
10:25 <@shapr> Synx_hm: have you compared prices to ting.com?
10:26 < Synx_hm> i forgot about them i will thanks for the note
10:26 <@Evilpig> ting is nice if you don't do much of anthing with your phone
10:26 <@shapr> Synx_hm: my investigation said that ting.com is cheaper if your usage is lower, google fi is cheaper if your usage is higher
10:26 <@shapr> yeah, what Evilpig said
10:26 <@Evilpig> NotLarry uses it and has a small bill.  I use a shitload of texts and ting jus twasn't a good fit for me
10:27 < Synx_hm> i text non stop but thats more because i use GV with sprint so i text from my computer all day
10:28 <@Evilpig> same.  which you can only do that with Fi nowdays. :-/
10:28 < Synx_hm> Evilpig, did you port a GV number to Fi by chance?
10:29 < dasunt> shapr: Ting is pretty good, but I think there's better deals for MVNOs (and I say this as a Ting user)
10:29 <@Evilpig> no.  I had GV and it appears that my sprint number replaced my GV number when I signed up
10:33 < dasunt> I think Republic has some good rates.
10:35 < dasunt> Ting is running me around $35/mo, which I think I could do better on if I tried.
10:37 < dasunt> Googling, Tello has some pretty low rates.  I wonder how good it is.
10:40 < dasunt> Unlimited minutes & text, and 2GB for $19/mo.  1GB for 14/mo
10:40 < dasunt> (Unlimited data at 2G after that).
10:40 < Synx_hm> awe bummer Project Fi doesn't do the spam filtering that Google Voice did
10:41 < Synx_hm> that was a life saver almost never get spam calls
10:41 <@Evilpig> it sorta does
10:41 < dasunt> Also, Tello is using Sprint's network.  Dang it, I may switch.  I'd save myself about $150/year.
10:41 <@Evilpig> since you use the default phone app from google it flags them as spam
10:41 < Synx_hm> ahh ok cool
10:41 <@Evilpig> supposedly the new update will auto-ignore them
10:42 < Synx_hm> ive seen that on a few calls its a nice feature
10:42 <@Evilpig> https://photos.app.goo.gl/VXnPUFJZouaBRJWp2
10:42 < PigBot> Shared album - Wilbur Longwisch - Google Photos (at photos.app.goo.gl) http://tinyurl.com/ybnnywre
10:43 < Synx_hm> sweet thanks
10:50 < Synx_hm> while we are on the google topic anybody paying for youtube tv?
10:51 < Synx_hm> i cant figure out why but every fucking time i try and use it it makes me do some account switching snafu
10:52 < Synx_hm> oh and total aside, nintendo labo is fucking awesome spent hours last night with our 4 year old building and playing with the fishing rod
11:05 <@Evilpig> I want to go pick that up
11:05 <@Evilpig> I need to open a support case with nintendo first though cause my joycon is drifting even when attached
11:06 < Synx_hm> i just ordered a new one because we tried to make the rc car one last night and i discovered my right joycon motion is totally fucked
11:06 < Synx_hm> but in a fit of rage my wife threw the switch out the door many months ago so i figured i probably shouldn't ask nintendo for a free one haha
11:07 <@Evilpig> haha
11:07 <@Evilpig> I've been trying to play don't starve but when you're in the middle of making a torch as night falls and then you start running left suddenly... you get angry quickly
11:08 < Synx_hm> haha, my 4 year old likes to take the pro controller and go hide in the other room and randomly inject inputs
11:08 < Synx_hm> some games allow both joycon and procontroller inputs at the same time its infuriating
11:09 < Synx_hm> ive been playing the shit out of celeste and its fucking amazing
11:13 <@Evilpig> I stopped that shit immediately with airplane mode
11:13 < Synx_hm> ahh smart ha
11:14 <@Evilpig> I was playing zelda then suddly it was doing weird shit, that I later realized was liam in the livingroom trying to turn the switch on the tv
11:14 < Synx_hm> we drove to louisville this weekend and at some point the pro controller in my backpack turned on and little dude was fucking livid
11:14 < Synx_hm> hahaha
11:16 <@Evilpig> CEC is both amazing and infuriating.  the kid knows that if he picks up the switch controller the tv should just turn on and flip to that input but when it doesn't work quite right he loses his shit
11:19 < Synx_hm> hey shoot me your friend code
11:20 < Synx_hm> i dont have any switch friends and it is depressing me
11:20 <@Evilpig> one sec lemme go grab it
11:22 <@Evilpig> sw-7590-5785-9011
11:24 < Synx_hm> YAY thanks
11:25 <@Evilpig> I need to go get another set of joycons.  damnit
11:26 < Synx_hm> $69 on amazon at the moment
11:26 <@Evilpig> I just don't want to, but for testing nintendo wants me to try another joycon attached.
11:26 <@Evilpig> you'd think the procontroller not having an issue would be good enough
11:27 < Synx_hm> :(
11:27 < Synx_hm> drifting is fairly common issue too no?
11:27 <@Evilpig> yeah for different reasons.  generally crap getting down in teh sticks
11:28 <@Evilpig> i'll try hitting it with the air compressor again here in a few
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13:26 <@Corydon76> Damn.  They caught the Naked Shooter alive, not riddled with police bullets.
13:27 <@Corydon76> But he's white, so that was to be expected.
13:28 < Synx_hm> oh?
13:28 < Synx_hm> did it just happen?
13:28 < Synx_hm> because i just got a call saying my kids school aftercare is canceled i have 30min to get across town to get him ugh
13:28 < Synx_hm> come on metro plan this shit out better
13:28 <@Corydon76> Yes, it happened within the hour.
13:29 <@Corydon76> https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/waffle-house-shooting-manhunt/index.html
13:29 < PigBot> Waffle House shooting suspect captured: Live updates (at www.cnn.com) http://tinyurl.com/ycj7baog
13:31 <@Mirage> https://www.npr.org/2018/04/21/604663270/verne-troyer-actor-who-portrayed-mini-me-in-austin-powers-dies-at-49
13:31 < PigBot> Verne Troyer, Actor Who Portrayed Mini-Me In 'Austin Powers,' Dies At 49 : NPR (at www.npr.org) http://tinyurl.com/ybkfn3j8
13:31 <@Mirage> I'm sure you guys already saw that.
13:31 <@Evilpig> I can see the headline now "cops gun down unarmed naked white man"  
13:47 <@Dolemite> At Starwood
13:48 <@Dolemite> He was probably trying to thumb a ride from a trucker that hadn't heard the news
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14:44 < dasunt> How is the fedearl cost recovery fee legal?
14:45 < dasunt> It's not a tax.
14:46 < dasunt> It's just companies saying "the government requires us to do X, therefore we're going to charge you a fee"
14:46 < dasunt> It's the equivalent of McD's charging you a "federal government food safety fee" for whatever amount they want to claim with each Big Mac.
14:47 <@Corydon76> It's legal because they're not prohbited from doing so.
14:48 < dasunt> So could I advertise a Big Mac for $0.99 and then charge a $2 federal government food safety fee?
14:48 <@Corydon76> As long as the fee was not materially deceptive, yes
14:49 < dasunt> This seems quite an interesting loophole.
14:50 < dasunt> So basically a business could figure out it's cost of dealing with government (accounting + taxes, regulations, etc) and charge that as a separate fee?
14:50 <@Corydon76> What you're essentially saying, there, is that the Big Mac would be $0.99 were it not for this other governmental cost, and you're simply passing it through to the customer
14:50 < dasunt> Yes.
14:51 <@Corydon76> Now, if you collect that, the government is going to expect those $2 in revenue, or it's materially deceptive.
14:52 <@Corydon76> Or you could even say that it costs you $0.25 in costs to collect that fee... but you still have to remit the balance to the government, or it's materially deceptive.
14:53 < dasunt> What do you mean?  If it costs (say) $0.25/burger for a piece of food safety equipment, then can't I apply that $0.25 towards the cost of that equipment?
14:53 <@Corydon76> You can, yes.
14:54 <@Corydon76> You have to be able to justify those costs, though, is what I'm saying.
14:54 < dasunt> Hmmmm.  Seems like quite the loophole for advertising.
14:55 <@Corydon76> If you're charging the customer $2, but only $0.10 is going towards the costs, then you might expect a nice fine from the FTC for being deceptive.
15:00 < dasunt> Hmmm.
15:00 < dasunt> Well this is odd - looking at one part of this MVNO, they list the fees they charge, but the front page of the website says no fees.
15:01 <@Evilpig> ummmmmmmmmm no true
15:01 <@Evilpig> the price of a 20oz coke at the gas station ~$2
15:01 <@Evilpig> guaranteed there is less than $0.10 in cost there
15:03 <@Corydon76> For the drink, yes.  I think there's a bit more in the cost of the cup.
15:21 < dasunt> So what are the pros and cons of porting your number over to google voice?
15:23 <@Evilpig> pro: gaining access to your number via any connected device, browser, etc
15:23 < dasunt> Which seems like a pretty big pro, TBH.
15:23 <@Evilpig> cons: giving google explicit access to everything.
15:23 < dasunt> Is google just doing metadata, or actually listening into calls?
15:24 <@Evilpig> but if you believe that they aren't monitoring you anyway...
15:24 <@Evilpig> they could be doing anything
15:24 <@Evilpig> clearly they have access to the voice call at least voice mails since they will transcribe them
15:24 < dasunt> *shrug*  What if I believe that the phone company is just as quick as google to roll over to the feds?
15:25 <@Evilpig> it's a meh issue to me.  if they want to listen to my phone calls, sucks to be them
15:25 < dasunt> I'm a little mehish myself since I can't guarantee my phone company isn't doing the same.
15:26 <@Evilpig> I personally was happy to have my texts and calls all in one accessible place
15:26 <@Evilpig> you could also say that if someone got access to your account then they could truly impersonate you and accept reset codes etc
15:26 <@Evilpig> it puts alot of access in a single security basket
15:26 < dasunt> True.
15:27 < dasunt> Although my phone company is probably happy to port my number over with minimal assurances.  Especially if you try a few helpdesk monkeys.
15:27 <@Evilpig> to combat that google has added in lots of notices about extra access to your account, etc
15:28 <@Dagmar> dasunt: The cons are "Sprint is abandoning that because they're insane"
15:28 <@Evilpig> sprint is getting booted out of it
15:28 <@Dagmar> dasunt: Also, "When you get a phone call, your everything will ring."
15:28 <@Dagmar> dasunt: ...because the thing will ring through Hangouts and every Android device you have
15:29 <@Dagmar> However, if you have a headset it means you don't even have to reach for your phone, and the Google Voice automatic transcription is nice
15:29 <@Evilpig> I enjoy that aspect of it. drives ashley nuts when I'm not home but the computer and tablet ring
15:29 <@Dagmar> hehehe
15:29 <@Dagmar> At one point in my place it was like someone said the Secret Word Of The Day or something
15:29 <@Dagmar> I had an Android device on the TV, it rang, my tablet would ring, my laptop would ring, my phone would ring, my desktop would ring
15:30 <@Dagmar> Nadia's reaction to that was priceless.
15:30 <@Dagmar> THe house goes berzerk and she just looks at me and says, "Really, Dag?  Really?"
15:30 <@Evilpig> my shield's don't ring, but that would be funny if they did
15:31 <@Evilpig> I figure eventually the google home probably will
15:32 <@Dagmar> If they could do Hangouts they'd probably ring
15:32 <@Evilpig> my car does hangouts now!
15:32 <@Dagmar> Cool
15:32 <@Evilpig> I hadn't ever plugged in the usb cable before.  did that this weekend and it does hangouts via the text to voice
15:33 <@Evilpig> and it can reply, where regular google assistant doesn't
15:33 <@Dagmar> Ah, Android Autio then
15:33 <@Evilpig> yeah
15:33 <@Dagmar> Yeah, Google Assistant is still kind of a shitshow with Hangouts
15:33 <@Evilpig> I wish they would make that shit work via bluetooth, then it'd be tits
15:33 <@Dagmar> Like, if you have an active Hangouts _up_ on the device, then GA will *likely* route any "messages" you try and send through that
15:33 <@Evilpig> I hate thinking that I need to tether my phone to make that shit work
15:45 < dasunt> One of these days I have to drive a car more than 15 years old.
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15:51 <@Mirage> Evilpig used to forget to remove the NOC from GV, so he'd be off shift and we'd beat him answering whoever was trying to call him.  Was mildly amusing a couple times.
15:52 <@Evilpig> I forgot about that.  yes it was
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16:13 <@Mirage> The really funny times were when he forgot and then we tried to call him shortly after he left,  which would ring on a roll-over there in the NOC, so you'd wind up talking to the other person on shift.
16:15 <@Mirage> On a sep note, anyone else fund 'Felik' on kickstarter last year?
16:34 <@Evilpig> yup
16:34 <@Evilpig> they're getting close to delivering
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16:44 <@Mirage> finally...
16:44  * dasunt has only 45 minutes left of his day, thank gawd.
16:51 <@Mirage> http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/tv/ash-vs-evil-dead/57062/ash-vs-evil-dead-has-been-cancelled
16:51 < PigBot> Ash Vs Evil Dead has been cancelled | Den of Geek (at www.denofgeek.com)
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17:08 <@_NSAKEY> Typical Starz, really.
17:08 <@_NSAKEY> I don't think they've had a single show last more than 4 seasons.
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